Question bout the SCT XC2 on the LS

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I installed the XCalibrator 2 on my LS, but when doing so, i was a bit curious about the install instructions, when it says to "disconnect the fuel pump and electric fan fuses" i didn't see anything that really hinted towards an electric fan in the owners manual in the fuse sections, so i just unplug the blower motor, thinking maybe that was what it meant, but if i was wrong in thinking that, which fuse should i of pulled, or does it make that much of a difference, i already asked for a reply from the SCT team, so maybe they can help if no one here can, i was just wanting a reponse ASAP, so thanks if you have any helpful advice.:)
 
I never do.

when we were first working with SCT trying to get this to work - I use to have to pull my fuses for the ABS and REM modules as they interfered with the XCal upload/download - working over the same bus.

but an updated prom in the XCal1 fixed all that. The XCal2 can working with the LS out of the box.
 
SCT Xcal2

I found the SCT website but didn't find the one listed for our application.

How much are these units?
Where do you guys get these units?
What type of performance increase is realistic?


Bozz
 
I pulled the fuel pump fuse and the xcal2 would not work correctly, when I put the fuse back in and tried it worked just fine. Now I just flash and go without removing the fuses.
 
Same here. I never pull any fuses. My cooling fan runs while the Xcal2 is flashing and then shuts off when it's done. This actually comes in handy since the flashing takes soooo long on my LS. I can just get out of the car and let the Xcal2 do it's thing and I know that when the cooling fan stops running, the flashing is complete.

The tuning file for my '04 Vic was around 220K and the one for the LS is over 1 meg in size.
 
I've been rolling around with XCal2 for a couple days now and here are the observations I have made with both files Perf1 +2 and Perf1 +4. I'm waiting for feedback from Torrie, but I just wanna know if what I am experiencing is both "normal" and/or adjustable.

Pros:

- No ping at all thus far, regardless of tune.

- In D4/D5 I spin much harder off the line than I did before.

- I kept up in the 1/4 mile (using auto-stick and shifting right at about 6200 rpms) with my buddies '89 foxbody 'stang with headers, intake, and exhaust. I didn't get a chance to run him in D4 or D5 but I can't imagine being able to run much faster than I did.

- When I use the auto-stick and downshift into say 2nd from a 45-50 mph roll and floor it I get awesome throttle response and a noticeable difference in acceleration...

- The shifts are smooth when driving normal

Cons:

- In D4/D5 OR when using auto-stick at WOT the shifts are much harder, almost no matter where the car shifts at. And I mean MUCH harder, almost to the point that I worry if this is going to cause trannie damage...What can I do to adjust this? Did anyone else have this problem with their tunes?

- My MPG went from around 16.0 to 12.7 in one day (this may have been caused by my "experimenting" with the tunes but also due to adjustments to a/f ratios)

- My car accelerates very slow from a roll in almost every gear, in fact MUCH slower than it did pre-flasher. If I just hit the gas at about 2-3k rpms it hardly "lunges" forward, even with the perf1 +4 tune. It isn't until after 4000 rpms that the power really kicks in. As with the shifting I have the same questions. Can I adjust this? Did anyone else have this problem with their tunes?

Like I said, I'm waiting on a response from Torrie, I just thought I'd ask you guys as well...
 
StinkinLinkinLS01 said:
Cons:

- In D4/D5 OR when using auto-stick at WOT the shifts are much harder, almost no matter where the car shifts at. And I mean MUCH harder, almost to the point that I worry if this is going to cause trannie damage...What can I do to adjust this? Did anyone else have this problem with their tunes?

Torrie usually firms up the shifts to make them postive and quicker. Soft shifts are usually the #1 complaint of LS owners. If you do not like that - Torrie can reduce the shift pressure - but understand - you'll lose the crispness.


StinkinLinkinLS01 said:
- My MPG went from around 16.0 to 12.7 in one day (this may have been caused by my "experimenting" with the tunes but also due to adjustments to a/f ratios)

correct - stepping on it all day will do that. On race weekends I often end up below 10mpg - then next week driving back and forth to work I end up back at normal. Be warned - you'll tend to 'step on it' more than usual once you start modifying your car for performance - so 'usual' mpg often drops due to driver's hadits changing.

StinkinLinkinLS01 said:
My car accelerates very slow from a roll in almost every gear, in fact MUCH slower than it did pre-flasher. If I just hit the gas at about 2-3k rpms it hardly "lunges" forward, even with the perf1 +4 tune. It isn't until after 4000 rpms that the power really kicks in. As with the shifting I have the same questions. Can I adjust this? Did anyone else have this problem with their tunes?

never heard of this - what are you 0-60 times, 1/4mile times - did they improve?

The challenge with the XCal is that it is hard to 'feel' the differences - with intake and exhaust you 'hear' the difference as well as feel the difference. The XCal is all done behind the scenes - improving what you already have - or have not.
 
Thanks Quik, I just went there and checked it out. Emailed them asking if you could have programs in the unit for 2 different Ford Vehicles (my 2000 LS 3.9L, and 2005 Expedition 5.4L).

Looks like a worth-while upgrade for sure.


Bozz
 
Quik LS said:
never heard of this - what are you 0-60 times, 1/4mile times - did they improve?

Unfortunately I've only had the XCal equipped on my car for a couple days and I don't have a GTech and have not had access to that or a dyno yet to find out these any of this. However I am going to the track to find out all these things towards the end of the month. I know my 1/4 improved along with my 0-60 to some extent...pre-XCal my friend in his stang was untouchable for my LS. When we raced while I was running the max tune (with 91 octane - oops) we were almost neck and neck. Not only is his the 5.0, he also has headers, intake, and exhaust.

The challenge with the XCal is that it is hard to 'feel' the differences - with intake and exhaust you 'hear' the difference as well as feel the difference. The XCal is all done behind the scenes - improving what you already have - or have not.

This is exactly what I told Torrie. Without actual numbers from a GTech or Dyno it is difficult for me to feel the difference, especially when it comes to HP gains. The only things that I have noticed so far are the negatives, i.e. hard shifts and slow acceleration which is unfortunate. If I knew what to expect, or what to look for with each tune it would be better. These are the questions I am waiting for torrie to answer, I definitely don't want to badmouth his tunes before I know what it is normal and what is not.

Quik...you have said that the XCal 2 is by far the best bang for your buck. ($400)

So far I believe the exhaust ($700) has given me the best bang but this conclusion is not fair to say yet, as I do not know enough at this point about what Torrie's tunes have done for my car.

I know for a fact that the exhaust gave me more WOT HP, a crisper throttle response, an unbelievable sound, better gas mileage, zero side affects, and most importantly, a cool look.

The only noticeable advantage the XCal seems to have other than removing limiters and such - so far - is firmer shifting. I literally jump ahead into each gear - I even seen the traction symbol light up when auto-stick shifting from 3-4 on the highway...yea...the shifts are that hard....

As far as the soft acceleration from 2000rpms and up I'm not sure at all either, I'm waiting on a response from Torrie. When I downshift using the auto-stick and smash the gas their is an obvious improvement in acceleration post-xcal, it is only when I smash the gas while cruising at say 60 mph on the highway or 30 mph down my street that I notice the lag in acceleration.

I just cleaned my air filter and applied the red oil without a percision applicator or scale. I just applied two coats all-around to the filter, not too much, not too little. I don't think their is any way doing this incorrectly could ever rob me of that much acceleration, its just a variable I just thought of. Other than that I haven't done anything that would cause this. I'm going to change back to stock and get a good feel of things and then go back to the tunes this weekend to really verify the differences.

Quik, I understand you have SST shifter...do you use this when racing or leave it in D4/D5. I used to leave it D4/D5 but now with the tunes I realize I pull much harder when shifting with the auto-stick but then again I have not proven this...what do you think...would you say Torrie's tunes are designed more for D4/D5 or for shifting on your own at say 6200 rpms?
 
StinkinLinkinLS01 said:
So far I believe the exhaust ($700) has given me the best bang but I suppose that is not fair to say yet, as I do not know enough at this point about what Torrie's tunes have done for my car. I know for a fact that the exhaust gave me more WOT HP, a crisper throttle response, an unbelievable sound, better gas mileage, zero side affects, and most importantly, a cool look.

My exhaust - which is very close to your exhaust dynoed at 11rwhp (with intake mod).

The XCal is 2x that - but again - you hear you exhaust - so it seems and feels more. On the dyno - it was half the XCal at 2x the price.


StinkinLinkinLS01 said:
Quik, I understand you have SST shifter...do you use this when racing or leave it in D4/D5. I used to leave it D4/D5 but now with the tunes I realize I pull much harder when shifting with the auto-stick but then again I have not proven this...what do you think...would you say Torrie's tunes are designed more for D4/D5 or for shifting on your own at say 6200 rpms?

on the strip - I leave it in D4 and punch it. I could never beat my times using SST. In another thread - Rocket has done better in SST than D4 - I believe the difference is likely Rocket's skill and the fact my LS is Pre-03 and starts oin 2nd gear in SST.

I use SST only when auto-crossing.
 
Quik LS said:
My exhaust - which is very close to your exhaust dynoed at 11rwhp (with intake mod).

The XCal is 2x that - but again - you hear you exhaust - so it seems and feels more. On the dyno - it was half the XCal at 2x the price.
When I asked Torrie about dyno numbers he refused to say anything at all. It definitely doesn't feel like 30 flywheel HP but then again, "feel" can be ellusive when you add other things like sound.
on the strip - I leave it in D4 and punch it. I could never beat my times using SST. In another thread - Rocket has done better in SST than D4 - I believe the difference is likely Rocket's skill and the fact my LS is Pre-03 and starts oin 2nd gear in SST.
I think D4 is the best so far as well. Using auto-stick just shifts to rough. It seems the tunes were made for D4.
I use SST only when auto-crossing.
That seems like it would be more difficult that 1/4 mile racing. By the way, how does ur LS compare to most other auto-crossing automobiles?
 
I run my 02 1/4 mile and believe the SST is going to give the best numbers. You have to stand on it, launch, in D5 and move over to SST quickly while WOT as if you move over. To high in the rpm band, she'll shift when you move over. Done it a bunch of times now.
 
StinkinLinkinLS01 said:
When I asked Torrie about dyno numbers he refused to say anything at all. It definitely doesn't feel like 30 flywheel HP but then again, "feel" can be ellusive when you add other things like sound.

I think D4 is the best so far as well. Using auto-stick just shifts to rough. It seems the tunes were made for D4.

That seems like it would be more difficult that 1/4 mile racing. By the way, how does ur LS compare to most other auto-crossing automobiles?


Right - Torrie cannot commit to any numbers unless he has your car on his dyno and does a real one-on-one tune. What he does is use his best guess, based on working with many other LSes and then adjusts the tune for your preferences.

SCT claims 14rwhp from their tune on a stock LS - it is not on the web-site since the redesign about a month ago. If you have intake and exhaust - torrie should be able to squeeze even more out.

I'm sure other SCT LS owners will chime in.


On auto-crossing - the LS is very well balanced - mine more so. It does ok - however - it is heavy and braking is an issue. In my class - ESP (E class of Street Prepared) I usually win unless someone in a stock 03 cobra shows up that can drive....
 
Quik LS said:
Right - Torrie cannot commit to any numbers unless he has your car on his dyno and does a real one-on-one tune. What he does is use his best guess, based on working with many other LSes and then adjusts the tune for your preferences.
I didn't even get a guess as of yet...I'm hoping for more info as things progress.
If you have intake and exhaust - torrie should be able to squeeze even more out.
I do have intake/exhaust...I'm not 100% that Torrie tuned for that. I'll definitely have to ask.

On auto-crossing - the LS is very well balanced - mine more so. It does ok - however - it is heavy and braking is an issue. In my class - ESP (E class of Street Prepared) I usually win unless someone in a stock 03 cobra shows up that can drive....

That sounds like a ton of fun. Is auto-crossing expensive? I assume the costs are similar to regular drag racing. I live in MN so would only be able to do it 3-4 months out of the year IF at all around here but I'd love to check it out.

I think the weight is the biggest enemy to the performance of the LS.
 
Auto-crossing - join the local SCCA club for $40/yr, each event is $20 or so.

the bigger costs are (at 40,000miles)-
- 4th set of brakes
- 4th set of tires
- beer
 
Doesn't Torrie have a new tune that allows pre 03's to start out in 1 in SST mode? I thought i read that somewhere...
 
02LSE96LSC91SE84TC said:
I run my 02 1/4 mile and believe the SST is going to give the best numbers. You have to stand on it, launch, in D5 and move over to SST quickly while WOT as if you move over. To high in the rpm band, she'll shift when you move over. Done it a bunch of times now.
I wonder if their would be a performance difference between the SST and the auto-stick that comes with my 01 LS?
 
StinkinLinkinLS01 said:
I wonder if their would be a performance difference between the SST and the auto-stick that comes with my 01 LS?
Aren't they the same thing... maybe I miss understood you.
 
Quik LS said:
the bigger costs are (at 40,000miles)-
- 4th set of brakes
- 4th set of tires
- beer
Also what I was thinking...I'm at over 80k...I've got an extended warranty for 30k more miles and then I'm strippin her down, shippin' her out and upgrading to a new "project" car.
 
bigpappy33 said:
Doesn't Torrie have a new tune that allows pre 03's to start out in 1 in SST mode? I thought i read that somewhere...

he has a PCM code we got from a 2000 Europe intended LS, which starts in 1st.

But that PCM code is not a universal swap to everyone's pre-03.

We still have not found the 'switch' for the SST in 1st for all pre-03s
 
02LSE96LSC91SE84TC said:
Aren't they the same thing... maybe I miss understood you.

The "auto-stick" I have has an actual

P
R
N
D5 - D4
........3
........2
........1

Instead of the little "joystick" with the simple +/- which is really sweet. Other than the setup...I'm not sure their would be a performance difference...would there?
 

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