Round 3: Bush vs. Kerry

[Kbob]

If there was ever a tie in a debate, I believe this was it. So I'm calling it 50-50. The 2 candidates were on message and both didn't attack very much (thankfully). In fact, by this time I was so versed in their positions on the issues that I noticed little quirks in their facial features such as Kerry's overly trimmed eyebrows and Bush's mouth being down-turned on the left corner (trivial stuff). They were both confident and both well-spoken. And they both had moments of humor. Bush has come a long way since that first debate and I believe he used Kerry himself as an example of how to act in a debate. You could tell that it was more of a game to them by now because they both responded to jabs with smiles.

The moderator, Bob Sheiffer (spelling?) was by far the best IMO. And it was very classy for him to give a pleasant final question to the candidates.

Comments?

 

[Joeychgo]

MSNBC Poll has Kerrry winning 75% to 25%

I am one of them

 

[Pepsi2185]

I agree, but I think the bulk of the "canned answers" came at this debate. I see you are trying to be unbiased kbob. LOL. It almost seemed as they are almost the same now. With the same answers, same stats, almost telling me what i want to hear. Thats is all i can come up with for negativity.

For the positive, i believe whomever wins the election, Bush has had a long 4 years. Its almost like seeing him grow up as a better president. Even through the debates i think he has learned what being president means.

I agree kbob 50-50. Excellent perspective bro.

 

[Kbob]

MSNBC Poll has Kerrry winning 75% to 25%

I am one of them

I know you love to use those polls on me, Joey, and I'm laughing with you. MSNBC's own Chris Matthews laughed, too, when he announced the results of that poll, cause he knew just like we both know that it's a joke.

I don't think the debates changed anyone's mind on who they're voting for. But I will say that I like Kerry more than I did before the debates. Does anybody else have that reaction?

Also, I think it's worthy to note that things can still happen before the election that may sway voters. Bryan has talked about some "surprise" coming out in a couple of days that will be against Kerry. We may still have a terrorist attack here at home, especially right before the election. I think that Bill Clinton will probably come out and campaign for Kerry right before the election which will give him a boost. Anybody got any other "idears" about stuff that could happen?

 

[barry2952]

I believe that last nights debate showed Bush at his best, but it wasn't good enough. I believe that he avoided the tough questions. I wouldn't say that Kerry won this by a large margin but I do believe that he increase his credibility.

I dont think that Kerry is as Liberal as most might think. Fiscal responsibility has always been a Conservative view point. I'd like to see a "Pay-Go" system again.

Kerry, like myself, appears to be a fiscal conservative and and liberal on social issues. Isn't that what a "compassionate conservative" is supposed to be?

I will admit that President Bush has a decent sense of humor.

 

[Katshot]

I can't help it, everytime I see Bush talking, I think he's a PUTZ! I don't doubt that Bush can come off as more animated on TV but I think that's pretty common. The guy with substance (Kerry) comes off as dry and subdued in comparison.
As for Bush "learning" to be a better President, that "may" be true. That would also explain how he was so stupid to get us involved in a unilateral global "war on terror" and up to our necks in Iraq.

 

[Sifrino3]

This is the first time I watched a "dabate." I thought everytime Bush could. He would change the subject. His answer seemed to be the same. Atleast for a good part of it. On the other hand. Kerry had my attention the whole way. His eyes were straight un like Bush. Where his eyes were going all over the place. So, I would have to give it to Kerry. He just seemed to grab my attention!

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

I've seen all 3 debates (not the VP), and I agree Bush put on his best on this one, resulting in a near tie IMO. However, both candidates were beginning to sound like broken records, repeating the same sound bites we've been hearing since the 1st debate and re-iterated over and over again on the campaign trail. BUT, Bush still avoided questions, changed subjects and gave some half-assed answers, which turned me off.

One thing that did surface in this debate that I haven't seen prior to this, is the candidate's positions on how much religious beliefs influence their decision making. Bush came across w/ a strong message, aimed squarely at the "moral minority", that he allows his personal beliefs to influence his decision making. Kerry on the other hand, while emphasizing his Catholic upbringing and strong religious beliefs, made it clear that he would not allow his beliefs to be legislated onto others. IMO, this is one of the big "scale tilters" for me, as I agree w/ Kerry that religion and politics DO NOT MIX. We must uphold the separation of church and state, for this is one of the fundamental ideals that makes this country so great, provides it's people with real freedoms, and is why our ancestors (the Pilgrims) came to this continent to escape from religious oppression. :headbang:

 

[MonsterMark]

Pretender Kerry revealed himself to be the hollow man last night. What a performance!

As far as who won. The Washington Post called it both a narrow victory for Kerry and a non-committal. The LA Times called it a draw. Therefore, one can conclude that it was a major victory for President Bush.

Take away Kerry's memorized (back to that school smarts vs street smarts argument) and overly practiced lines and the guy is nothing. It is an empty cavity when you get past the ribs.

On specific issues during the debate, he got his a$$ handed to him on his voting record with only 5 Kerry sponsored bills making it into law in 20+ years, with 4 of those being resolutions. Even Bush's comment about Kerry being on the left bank of Main Stream America was a pretty good line.

His vote against the first gulf war revealed how truly dangerous and how unfit he is to be Commander in Chief. Even Syria passed the "Global Test" and wanted Saddam out of Kuwait.

His views on religious faith (hollow man) and gay marriage revealed him to be a panderer of the left and not in the mainstream, and I think hurt him considerably last night.

When it came to policy issues, he is superior on his ability to memorize useless facts. My head was spinning and there was no way to keep track of it all. It all soounds so yummy, but like Bush said, his rhetoric doesn't match his record.

When it comes to pandering to the left, he excels at handing out the free money. Heck, even I wanted to vote for him after hearing all the good stuff he was going to give me. Democrats always overpromise. Thankfully, a President Kerry will be nothing more than a lame duck pretending to be President. No significant legislation will be passed by Kerry. I think that will be a good thing with Republicans controlling both the House and Senate.

He said he was going to give everyone health care? I guess he forgot to mention that his OWN plan leaves out 10%. Will you be that 10%? Who actually doesn't believe they don't have health care? I know lots of illegal aliens that simply walk into the emergency rooms at hospitals across the country and get treated.

Here is the bottom line. This country is too stupid (both the uneducated and liberals fit this description) to see thru the hollowness of this man.

His comment about Dick Cheney's daughter was the low blow of the campaign. I guess Edward's cheap shot during the VP debate didn't resonate enough with voters. What a sad little man Kerry is to have to toss that in there.

Or how about his pathetic death bed story about his mom? An obvious attempt to mask his own personal failings as a human being with his, Integrity, Integrity, Integrity b.s. Obviously he has none, which is why his mom felt it so important to use those as her last three words instead of "I Love You". What was she really trying to tell the world? I think it was; [John, you don't have any integrity, please try to find some].

But his doozy of the night was his comment about marrying up. First of all, he should have acknowledged he did it TWICE. It was a slap to the face of his current wife and I actually felt sorry for Tareezah. How would you feel when the man you married just admitted to 50 million people that the only reason he married you was for your money? Actually serves her right in some sick way I guess.

If you like a lying panderer who is also a traitor to this country; who WILL FAIL to protect this country at all cost; who is anti-war in every sense of the word and will pull out of Iraq unilaterally and turn that country into the most dangerous terrorist breeding ground on the planet; who will say anything about any subject to put himself on the majority side of an issue; who has stepped on and used everybody in his life to achieve his ultimate goal of the Presidency; then I guess John Kerry is your man. Good Luck.

On Veterans Day, I will be voting with the rest of the proud Americans that have served this country with distinction, and praying with these people that John Kerry never puts his hand on the Bible.

On November 2nd, I will be voting for a man of strong character, dogged perseverance, and unwavering faith in the ability of good to conquer over evil. I will be voting for President George W. Bush.

 

[MonsterMark]

Kerry on the other hand, while emphasizing his Catholic upbringing and strong religious beliefs, made it clear that he would not allow his beliefs to be legislated onto others. IMO, this is one of the big "scale tilters" for me, as I agree w/ Kerry that religion and politics DO NOT MIX. We must uphold the separation of church and state, for this is one of the fundamental ideals that makes this country so great, provides it's people with real freedoms, and is why our ancestors (the Pilgrims) came to this continent to escape from religious oppression. :headbang:

Somebody here is an F'in Hypocrite!

Explain John Kerry holding a political rally in a Baptist church with Reverend's Sharpton and Jackson last weekend during a prayer ceremony?

The only answer you can give me that will allow me to have any respect for your post is for you to admit that you were not aware of that event. Otherwise, you have just exposed yourself and shame on you.

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http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041013-111605-5814r.htm

'Stop politicizing religion,' church liberals tell Kerry

By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Two liberal religious groups are asking Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry to "stop politicizing religion," even going so far as to call a partisan church service on behalf of the senator "over the top."

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Somebody here is an F'in Hypocrite!

Explain John Kerry holding a political rally in a Baptist church with Reverend's Sharpton and Jackson last weekend during a prayer ceremony?

The only answer you can give me that will allow me to have any respect for your post is for you to admit that you were not aware of that event. Otherwise, you have just exposed yourself and shame on you.

*owned* *owned* *owned* *owned* *owned* *owned* *owned* *owned* *owned*


http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041013-111605-5814r.htm

'Stop politicizing religion,' church liberals tell Kerry

By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Two liberal religious groups are asking Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry to "stop politicizing religion," even going so far as to call a partisan church service on behalf of the senator "over the top."

Actually, I wasn't aware of that (and I'm not saying that to save face here, because I really don't care what you think of me). But from what the rest of the article states, and from what I've observed just in these 3 debates, the Bush campaign is living in a glass house as well. Additionally, "Politicizing religion" and "legislating beliefs" are not the same thing.

 

[Kbob]

Actually, I wasn't aware of that (and I'm not saying that to save face here, because I really don't care what you think of me). But from what the rest of the article states, and from what I've observed just in these 3 debates, the Bush campaign is living in a glass house as well. Additionally, "Politicizing religion" and "legislating beliefs" are not the same thing.

:monkey: "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil"

 

[MonsterMark]

I appreciate the partial retraction. I just couldn't beleive you posted that after the uproar with Kerry holding a campaign event in a church. You gotta get out more often.

I know the left would like to see the United States turned into a godless, hedonistic society, but I don't believe that is what the majority in this country want and goes against their majority beliefs and morality.

And without morals, what are you?