Sarah Palin's ignorant imperialism.

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Sarah Palin's ignorant imperialism.

By William Saletan
Posted Monday, April 19, 2010, at 8:24 AM ET

http://www.slate.com/id/2251267


Sarah Palin thinks Barack Obama is a wimp. She's been going around to Tea Party rallies, invoking the spirit of revolutionary Boston and castigating Obama for failing to exalt American power and punish our adversaries. She seems blissfully unaware that the imperial arrogance she's preaching isn't how the American founders behaved. It's how the British behaved, and why they lost. Palin represents everything the original Tea Party was against.

Two months ago, the modern Tea Party held its national convention in Tennessee. There, Palin ridiculed Obama for "reaching out to hostile regimes, writing personal letters to dangerous dictators and apologizing for America." "We need a strong national defense," she demanded. "We must spend less time courting our adversaries."

Last week, at a tax-day rally in Boston, she resumed her attack. Tea Party activists "will never apologize for being American," she snarked. Our military power is "a force for good throughout this world, and that is nothing to apologize for." She even implied a divine right to fossil fuel. "God knows we have the resources," she told the crowd. "He created them for our use right here in America."

On Friday, she lit into Obama for saying that America is a superpower "whether we like it or not." On her Facebook page, she asked, "Mr. President, is a strong America a problem?" She accused Obama of being "more comfortable with an American military that isn't quite so dominant," and she faulted him for trying "to apologize for America when he travels overseas." On Saturday, she told reporters, "I would hope that our leaders in Washington, D.C., understand we like to be a dominant superpower. I don't understand a world view where we have to question whether we like it or not that America is powerful."

What exactly are the apologies and misgivings for which Palin holds Obama in such contempt? One is his speech in Cairo last year, in which he conceded that "Iraq was a war of choice that provoked strong differences in my country and around the world." In the speech, Obama said that "events in Iraq have reminded America of the need to use diplomacy and build international consensus." He quoted Thomas Jefferson: "I hope that our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be."

The other target of Palin's criticism is Obama's press conference at last week's Nuclear Security Summit, in which he argued that "so many of the challenges that we face internationally can't be solved by one nation alone." He cited Russia's help in reducing nuclear weapons stockpiles, and he noted that the United States couldn't bring peace to the Middle East without Israeli and Palestinian cooperation. Nevertheless, Obama said that the United States must work to resolve such conflicts, "because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them. And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure."
So when Obama said "like it or not," he was expressing misgivings about costly faraway wars, not about power. But that isn't what makes Palin's argument so stupid. What makes it stupid is that it's how Britain botched the Boston Tea Party and squandered its empire.

On Dec. 16, 1773, colonial dissidents famously protested British taxation without representation by dumping shiploads of tea into Boston Harbor. According to John C. Miller's Origins of the American Revolution, British hawks responded exactly as Palin now recommends: by focusing on ego, power, and dominance. They called the Tea Party a "wanton and unprovoked insult" and proposed "to blow the town of Boston about the ears of its inhabitants." King George III declared, "We must master them or totally leave them to themselves and treat them as Alien."

The British hawks, like Palin, saw self-restraint as wimpy and dangerous. If Britain retreated from the tax policies that had provoked the Tea Party, they warned, the colonists would take this as "Proofs of our Weakness, Disunion and Timidity." Miller writes, "Few Englishmen believed that the mother country could retain its sovereignty if it retreated in the face of such outrage: it was now said upon every side that the colonists must be chastised into submission."

Palin thinks American power is above apology because it's "a force for good throughout this world." But Britain saw itself the same way. In their own eyes, Miller explains, Englishmen,
the terror of the evildoers of the world, could no longer sit still while a knot of agitators and firebrands in their own colonies sought to destroy the empire. If England were to continue to hold up her head in Europe as a great power, she could not permit 'a petty little province, the creature of our own hands, the bubble of our breath,' to hurl defiance across the Atlantic with impunity.
So rather than apologize or reach out, Britain flaunted its dominance and power. It imposed military rule in Massachusetts and shut down the port of Boston, thinking that this would divide the colonies and starve the insurgents into submission. Instead, Miller writes, the crackdown made Bostonians, in the eyes of the other colonies, "martyrs to American liberty." The colonies united, and Britain was defeated.

That's how all the natural resources of this land—the ones Palin thinks God created "for our use right here in America"—ended up being American rather than British. There was no America, as a nation, until Britain foolishly behaved as Palin now wants America to behave. Her advice is a prescription for superpower suicide. If she understood the Boston Tea Party as more than a slogan, she'd know that.

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Palin uses misguided pride and ignorance (of which she has plenty) and her audience doesn't know any better.

On the other hand the British had spent billions on the defence of their colony from France and in their minds were protecting their investment by having the colonists pay for their security.
We could have all been speaking french if history had turned differently.
 
The use of Jefferson's quote in the Cairo speech was perfect...

The whole quote-which was in a letter talking about Napoleon, and how Bonaparte was in reality a threat not only to his 'enemies' but to his friends as well, because he didn't have the wisdom that needs to come with power.

"Not in our day, but at no distant one, we make shake the rod over the heads of all, which may make the stoutest of them tremble. But I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power, the greater it will be."

Obama approaches from the point of 'soft power' or 'smart power', something Jefferson knew very well... and obviously Palin doesn't.

We can speak softly, because we carry the biggest stick. Palin would have us huff and puff...

Nice post '04 :)
 
Yeah that Cairo speech really did a number on Ahmadinejad. He's really cowed.
 
Yeah that Cairo speech really did a number on Ahmadinejad. He's really cowed.

The speech was to make sure our allies knew where we stand - no matter what Obama said Ahmadinejad will remain a terrorist. You can't reason with terrorists. He would be the same whether you had Patton or Eisenhower at the helm.

So you work with your allies.
 
The speech was to make sure our allies knew where we stand - no matter what Obama said Ahmadinejad will remain a terrorist. You can't reason with terrorists. He would be the same whether you had Patton or Eisenhower at the helm.

So you work with your allies.
No, the Obama doctrine is that you appease your enemies and bully your allies.
 
Obama approaches from the point of 'soft power' or 'smart power', something Jefferson knew very well... and obviously Palin doesn't.

Obama does not project soft power or any kind of power.
He does not project security. Stability. Strength. Or resolution.

This is why he is not taken seriously by other world leaders. Foreign rulers will take pot shots at the President regardless who it is, but the tone taken with Obama is very specific.

It always has to do with the fact that he's an inexperience fool.
It's mocking in a way that looks down upon him for his lack of understanding.

I'll try to elaborate this evening, but, can you provide an example of any of this "soft power" he's projected? Ill-conceived arms agreements and global apology tours are not soft power.
 
Palin takes Obama out of context and makes a big deal out of it to twist it to her and her republican bots purposes.

I don't know if she's doing it on purpose or because she doesn't well understand what he's saying.
The former is just cynical politics but the latter would be a sign she's out of her depth.

I don't have personal feelings of love or hate for her and admire what she has accomplished with her life so far but she's fair game to criticise when she makes her statements.

Her defenders are emotional and not intellectual in their faith in her.

Empty barrels make the most noise.
 
Obama does not project soft power or any kind of power.
He does not project security. Stability. Strength. Or resolution.

This is why he is not taken seriously by other world leaders. Foreign rulers will take pot shots at the President regardless who it is, but the tone taken with Obama is very specific.

It always has to do with the fact that he's an inexperience fool.
It's mocking in a way that looks down upon him for his lack of understanding.

I'll try to elaborate this evening, but, can you provide an example of any of this "soft power" he's projected? Ill-conceived arms agreements and global apology tours are not soft power.


Obama administration response to terror better than Bush administration: Biden

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...than-bush-administration-biden_100322255.html

Washington, Feb. 18 (ANI): US Vice President Biden has claimed that the Obama administration’s response to the terror threat emanating from Afghanistan, Pakistan and other areas where al-Qaeda and Taliban hold sway, has been far better than what was achieved during the Bush administration.
“There has never been as much emphasis and resources brought against al-Qaeda. The success rate exceeds anything that occurred in the last administration,” the Washington Post quoted Biden as saying on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday.
The latest achievement in this counter-terror campaign was the capture in late January of Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the No. 2 official of the Afghan Taliban, in Karachi.
Baradar is now in Pakistani custody, and, according to the U.S. official, “he is providing intelligence.”
According to the paper, the numbers show a sharp upsurge in operations against al-Qaeda and its allies in Pakistan since Barack Obama took office.
According to the U.S. official, there were 55 Predator drone strikes last year in the Pakistani tribal areas. That’s nearly double the peak level during the Bush years, which reached the mid-30s in 2008.[/B]
The pace of Predator attacks has increased further in 2010. Since January 1, there have been more than a dozen operations. If that rate continues, the total number of attacks this year could roughly double again, to more than 100.
These raids have ravaged the top tier of al-Qaeda’s lieutenants. The victims include Saleh al-Somali, the chief of external operations, who was killed Dec. 8; Abdullah Said al-Libi, the chief of operations in Pakistan, who was killed Dec. 17; and Tahir Yuldashev, the leader of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, who was killed in August.
All told, according to U.S. officials, since the beginning of 2009, the drone attacks have killed “several hundred” named militants from al-Qaeda and its allies, more than in all previous years combined. The drones have also shattered the leadership of the Pakistani Taliban, which has been waging a terror campaign across that country.
The CIA’s human intelligence that feeds the drone attacks has increased as well. Some of these agents are run jointly with other intelligence services, but a growing number are “unilateral” CIA recruits. These assets are run from agency bases in Afghanistan, such as the facility at Khost.
“The degree of trust and confidence that the Pakistani government and military have toward the U.S. is changing in a favorable way,” said Gen. Jim Jones, the national security adviser, who returned Friday from a three-day visit to Pakistan. He said he was impressed that Pakistan was now willing to go after a wider array of targets.
Although the Pakistani government publicly complains about the drone attacks, it privately endorses the strategy under rules negotiated in mid-2008.
This agreement permits the CIA to fire when it has solid intelligence and to provide “concurrent notification” to Pakistan, which typically means shortly after a Hellfire missile is launched.
Al-Qaeda and its allies are indeed “on the run,” as Biden said. (ANI)

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Increased drone strikes in Pakistan in accordance with Obama’s policy

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...-accordance-with-obamas-policy_100310361.html

Washington, Jan.27 (ANI): Even as Pakistan continues to strongly object US drone strikes in the tribal region along the Afghan border, the CIA operated missile hits have actually doubled in the past two months, which clearly highlights President Obama’s policy of taking on the extremists with more force.
According to The Washington Post, Obama has directed the CIA to enhance the intensity of the drone attacks in the ungoverned tribal region in order to kill the top Al-Qaeda and Taliban commanders and dismantle the terror network in the region.
“There have been more such strikes in the first year of Obama’s administration than in the last three years under President George Bush,” the newspaper quoted a military official, who keeps a track of the attacks, as saying.
Not only in Pakistan, the White House, greatly concerned by the increasing activities of the Al-Qaeda in Yemen, has also directed the defence forces and intelligence agencies to step up action against the outlawed extremist organisation.
U.S. military teams and intelligence agencies are deeply involved in secret joint operations with Yemeni troops who in the past six weeks have killed scores of militants, among them six of 15 top leaders of a regional Al-Qaeda affiliate, senior administrative officials said.
Officials said that the covert operations, which began six weeks ago, have been approved by Obama himself.
The offensive involves several dozen troops from the U.S. military’s clandestine Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), whose main mission is to track down and execute suspected terrorists. (ANI)

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Ya Obama's done nothing on the terror front :rolleyes:
 
There wouldn't even be an Iraq if we had listened to Obama back when Bush was President.

You will recall that Obama and Biden virulently opposed the surge.

By the way, why hasn't he closed Gitmo yet?

FAIL.
 
Obama approaches from the point of 'soft power' or 'smart power', something Jefferson knew very well... and obviously Palin doesn't.

Once again, you have no clue what you are talking about, do you...
 
There wouldn't even be an Iraq if we had listened to Obama back when Bush was President.

We're talking about Afghanistan and chasing down Al Queda not Bush's Pax Americana invasion of Iraq.
 
Once again, you have no clue what you are talking about, do you...

And you no doubt will deem it necessary to come down from your ivory tower, and in your condescending, and elitist way, enlighten all of us mere mortals...

So, soft power....

Here is a great definition....
SOFT POWER
SP is an indirect means to co-opt an actor into acquiescence so that he acts in conformity with the wishes of a different actor without the use of force. The premise of SP is that actors must have the ability to attract others to their particular viewpoints, which are perceived as being legitimate and credible. When an actor can attract others to its viewpoint, it will minimize the need to use more costly HP resources. The power of attraction is an essential characteristic of the SP spectrum of behavior and is comprised of two components: agenda setting and attraction.

Shag, if you only see an enemy, accords will never be achieved. Not only do you have to have that big stick, but equally important, is that you have to garner trust. That won't be done with missiles and tanks, trust, in the end, requires soft power.

We have the big stick, we have had the big stick for decades. It obviously doesn't, on its own, achieve peace. You have to have it to make sure you dictate the terms, but, if you also don't use 'soft power' you end up with only enemies who are waiting...
 
And you no doubt will deem it necessary to come down from your ivory tower, and in your condescending, and elitist way, enlighten all of us mere mortals...

Poisoning the well...
So, soft power....

Here is a great definition....
SOFT POWER
SP is an indirect means to co-opt an actor into acquiescence so that he acts in conformity with the wishes of a different actor without the use of force. The premise of SP is that actors must have the ability to attract others to their particular viewpoints, which are perceived as being legitimate and credible. When an actor can attract others to its viewpoint, it will minimize the need to use more costly HP resources. The power of attraction is an essential characteristic of the SP spectrum of behavior and is comprised of two components: agenda setting and attraction.

Shag, if you only see an enemy, accords will never be achieved. Not only do you have to have that big stick, but equally important, is that you have to garner trust. That won't be done with missiles and tanks, trust, in the end, requires soft power.

We have the big stick, we have had the big stick for decades. It obviously doesn't, on its own, achieve peace. You have to have it to make sure you dictate the terms, but, if you also don't use 'soft power' you end up with only enemies who are waiting...
Explain that to the American Indians and Carthage. How about Israel - they've done nothing but make deal after deal after deal - and there still is no peace.

Furthermore, accords don't mean crap. We signed accord after accord with the Soviets and Koreans, and all they did was break them. You are naive at best and stupid at worst to trust malignant powers to honor the papers they sign. As Reagan said, "Trust, but verify." You would just say, "Trust, and celebrate."

News for you - not everyone is your enemy by YOUR choice. Most of our enemies are enemies by THEIR choice. The only way to keep the peace is through strength. You should read Heinlein:
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any
other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst.
Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it
with their lives and freedoms."

FAIL again.
 
And you no doubt will deem it necessary to come down from your ivory tower, and in your condescending, and elitist way, enlighten all of us mere mortals...

I simply expect honesty. Something you are incapable of.

Also, your characterization of the concepts you talk about and foreign policy in general is rooted in ignorance and idealism. It is a hack attempting to sound enlightened on something that they do not understand...
 
Poisoning the well...
Explain that to the American Indians and Carthage. How about Israel - they've done nothing but make deal after deal after deal - and there still is no peace.

Furthermore, accords don't mean crap. We signed accord after accord with the Soviets and Koreans, and all they did was break them. You are naive at best and stupid at worst to trust malignant powers to honor the papers they sign. As Reagan said, "Trust, but verify." You would just say, "Trust, and celebrate."

Trust - but know that you have the biggest stick... that is what I would say...

Let me see - Russia invades US - nope. North Korea invades US - nope.

News for you - not everyone is your enemy by YOUR choice. Most of our enemies are enemies by THEIR choice. The only way to keep the peace is through strength. You should read Heinlein:

FAIL again.

We always deal from a position of strength... when everyone drives up to the meeting in a VW Beetle, and you drive up in M1 Abrams, everyone at the table knows who really has the firepower. You don't have to lord over them, it is implied...

Oh, I know Heinlein like you wouldn't believe...

Starship Troopers - certainly you can do better than that. I can even find the perfect quote for soft power - but make sure you have the biggest stick...

From Notebooks of Lazarus Long...

Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate -- and quickly.
 
I simply expect honesty. Something you are incapable of.

Also, your characterization of the concepts you talk about and foreign policy in general is rooted in ignorance and idealism. It is a hack attempting to sound enlightened on something that they do not understand...

Shag - your 'over your head' ad hominem attacks are getting old.

I am not in over my head - and you are afraid of the water.... as shown by your reluctance to come out of your ivory tower and see if the pool is warm enough.

Come on in - the water is fine, and we all know how to use a dictionary so when you plop down those 25 cent words we can figure it out...;)

So, are you looking at only hard power solutions to terrorism? It won't work..

One, our hard power upper hand is losing out because economic power is part of the equation, it isn't just about military might. China will become the economic power - there isn't any way around that. So, how do you redefine yourself if part of your 'power' is lessened?

Two, terrorism isn't a unilateral problem, it is a world problem. Shared responsibility is vital when dealing with an enemy that isn't defined by geographic boundaries. And the advantage of shared responsibility is shared costs, both human and economic.
 
Robt. Heinlein---
"The right to bear arms is the right to be free"---The Weapon Shops of Isher
 
An armed society is a polite society.
Robert Heinlein - Beyond This Horizon
 
We always deal from a position of strength... when everyone drives up to the meeting in a VW Beetle, and you drive up in M1 Abrams, everyone at the table knows who really has the firepower. You don't have to lord over them, it is implied...
Clearly you don't even know which lie you just said from minute to minute...
One, our hard power upper hand is losing out because economic power is part of the equation, it isn't just about military might. China will become the economic power - there isn't any way around that. So, how do you redefine yourself if part of your 'power' is lessened?
Oh what a tangled web we weave...

You're just wildly stabbing in all directions now. That's easy to do when you don't stand on any foreign policy principles other than pacifism and appeasement.
 

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