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TheDude
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Calabrio said:
Um... KA-lee-FORni-A (as per Arnold) is going bankrupt because of him. 60+ million spent on his special election and nothing really came out of it. So in essence, he spent all those millions to swing his #@$% around a bit because he could. Way to go Arnold! We might of as well kept that ass-clown Davis in office.
FreeFaller
USAF LS8
Don't look at me...I voted to out Gray Davis...but didn't vote for Ah-nold
95DevilleNS said:
Perhaps you could explain what the voter referendum was actually on.
Unfortunately, only the organized democrat groups went to the polls, and they weren't going to support anything that was proposed.
TheDude
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Calabrio said:
Are you saying that only democrates voted? I don't want to misread you.
Rather than waiting for a response, I'll just post some of the propositions... Take a look at 76.
Proposition 73. Waiting Period and Parental Notification Before Termination of Minor's Pregnancy -- State of California (Initiative Constitutional Amendment)
3,135,895 / 47.4% Yes votes ...... 3,475,891 / 52.6% No votes
Should the California Constitution be amended to require notification of the parent or legal guardian of an unemancipated, pregnant minor at least 48 hours before performing an abortion on the minor?
Proposition 74. Public School Teachers. Waiting Period for Permanent Status. Dismissal -- State of California (Initiative Statute)
2,993,418 / 44.9% Yes votes ...... 3,672,772 / 55.1% No votes
Should the probationary period for public school teachers be increased from two to five years, and should the process by which school boards can dismiss a permanent certificated employee be modified?
Proposition 75. Public Employee Union Dues. Restrictions on Political Contributions. Employee Consent Requirement -- State of California (Initiative Statute)
3,099,291 / 46.5% Yes votes ...... 3,560,434 / 53.5% No votes
Should public employee unions be required to obtain annual written consent from each member in order to use a portion of that member's dues for political activity?
Proposition 76. State Spending and School Funding Limits -- State of California (Initiative Constitutional Amendment)
2,527,129 / 38.0% Yes votes ...... 4,126,780 / 62.0% No votes
Should Californians make major Constitutional changes to create an additional state spending limit, grant the governor substantial new power to unilaterally reduce state spending, and revise key provisions relating to Proposition 98, school and community college funding, and transportation funding authorized by Proposition 42?
Proposition 77. Redistricting. Initiative Constitutional Amendment -- State of California (Initiative Constitutional Amendment)
2,679,074 / 40.5% Yes votes ...... 3,931,078 / 59.5% No votes
Should the California Constitution be amended to change the process of redistricting California's State Senate, State Assembly, Congressional and Board of Equalization districts, transferring the implementation of redistricting from the Legislature to a panel of three retired judges, selected by legislative leaders?
Proposition 78. Discounts on Prescription Drugs -- State of California (Initiative Statute)
2,725,731 / 41.6% Yes votes ...... 3,832,133 / 58.4% No votes
Should the state adopt a new state drug discount program to reduce the costs of prescription drugs for Californians at or below 300 percent of the federal poverty level?
Proposition 79. Prescription Drug Discounts. State-Negotiated Rebates -- State of California (Initiative Statute)
2,530,536 / 39.0% Yes votes ...... 3,959,800 / 61.0% No votes
Should the state of California create a new prescription drug discount program for residents at or below 400 percent of the federal poverty level, and change state law to make it illegal to engage in profiteering from the sale of prescription drugs?
Proposition 80. Electric Service Providers. Regulation -- State of California (Initiative Statute)
2,194,605 / 34.4% Yes votes ...... 4,192,239 / 65.6% No votes
Should the state expand its regulation of the electric industry?
Proposition 73. Waiting Period and Parental Notification Before Termination of Minor's Pregnancy -- State of California (Initiative Constitutional Amendment)
3,135,895 / 47.4% Yes votes ...... 3,475,891 / 52.6% No votes
Should the California Constitution be amended to require notification of the parent or legal guardian of an unemancipated, pregnant minor at least 48 hours before performing an abortion on the minor?
Proposition 74. Public School Teachers. Waiting Period for Permanent Status. Dismissal -- State of California (Initiative Statute)
2,993,418 / 44.9% Yes votes ...... 3,672,772 / 55.1% No votes
Should the probationary period for public school teachers be increased from two to five years, and should the process by which school boards can dismiss a permanent certificated employee be modified?
Proposition 75. Public Employee Union Dues. Restrictions on Political Contributions. Employee Consent Requirement -- State of California (Initiative Statute)
3,099,291 / 46.5% Yes votes ...... 3,560,434 / 53.5% No votes
Should public employee unions be required to obtain annual written consent from each member in order to use a portion of that member's dues for political activity?
Proposition 76. State Spending and School Funding Limits -- State of California (Initiative Constitutional Amendment)
2,527,129 / 38.0% Yes votes ...... 4,126,780 / 62.0% No votes
Should Californians make major Constitutional changes to create an additional state spending limit, grant the governor substantial new power to unilaterally reduce state spending, and revise key provisions relating to Proposition 98, school and community college funding, and transportation funding authorized by Proposition 42?
Proposition 77. Redistricting. Initiative Constitutional Amendment -- State of California (Initiative Constitutional Amendment)
2,679,074 / 40.5% Yes votes ...... 3,931,078 / 59.5% No votes
Should the California Constitution be amended to change the process of redistricting California's State Senate, State Assembly, Congressional and Board of Equalization districts, transferring the implementation of redistricting from the Legislature to a panel of three retired judges, selected by legislative leaders?
Proposition 78. Discounts on Prescription Drugs -- State of California (Initiative Statute)
2,725,731 / 41.6% Yes votes ...... 3,832,133 / 58.4% No votes
Should the state adopt a new state drug discount program to reduce the costs of prescription drugs for Californians at or below 300 percent of the federal poverty level?
Proposition 79. Prescription Drug Discounts. State-Negotiated Rebates -- State of California (Initiative Statute)
2,530,536 / 39.0% Yes votes ...... 3,959,800 / 61.0% No votes
Should the state of California create a new prescription drug discount program for residents at or below 400 percent of the federal poverty level, and change state law to make it illegal to engage in profiteering from the sale of prescription drugs?
Proposition 80. Electric Service Providers. Regulation -- State of California (Initiative Statute)
2,194,605 / 34.4% Yes votes ...... 4,192,239 / 65.6% No votes
Should the state expand its regulation of the electric industry?
95DevilleNS said:
No, I'm saying that turn-out is always an important factor in an election. And during this election, the only people that turned out in big numbers were the organized Democrat groups. The unions, the teachers, the abortion activist nuts.
Most people stay home for an offyear election. And in this particular year, conservatives stayed home in even higher numbers.
mespock
Marxists - Socialists
FreeFaller said:
I wanted to vote for Mary Carey!!! Why not a porn star!!!
TheDude
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Calabrio said:
Assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct, how is it the Democrat’s fault if conservatives stayed home and didn't bother to vote? I do not understand where you're going with this.
Here's a wacky liberal idea, more Californians where against this special election and the proposed changes it would make. So, when it came time to vote, they (Californians) voted against the changes. Surprised?
This is just a theory of mine.... If Arnold listened to all the people and not just people in his party, he would of realized ahead of time that this whole deal would of been a huge waste of money for California and he could of used the 60+ million in a better way.
If you want to believe that the majority of Californians were for the special election and for the propostions posted but just happened to be to lazy to vote that day. Have at it. This same rational can be applied to any election. Does it make sense to do so? Not in my opinion.
It's certainly not there fault. They exercised their power. There is value in being mobilized. The conservative base is a bit demoralized right now.95DevilleNS said:
I can't say your premise is completely wrong. I would say that most Californians weren't motivated to vote. Unfortunately there were some very good and important proposals being advanced. And, unfortunately, the only people who turned out were the organized left. As a result, the state of California will be hurt in the long run.
It may have been tactically more wise to wait until the the 2006 election, but the State of California is in terrible financial condition. He pushed for these propositions because he felt they were necessary to keep the state fiscally solvent. Politically he lost. And because of the misguided voters, the entire state will lose long after Arnold leaves office.
And, furthermore, Arnold is NOT a tool of the Republican party. He's pretty damn independent. He's considerably more liberal than the National party. Your misrepresentation is just wrong. The image presented by that cartoon is simply uninformed and foolish.
The outcome of an election is very closely related to which side of the aisle is able to mobilize their voters. Midterm and offyear elections have notoriously low turnout.
Does it matter? Not to you. You're not interested in the politics or reasons why things happen. But when looking for trends, or effective ways to win elections, these things have to be noted.
And when you put forth a ballot, in an off year, that includes Abortion, teacher tenure, and government budgets, you sure as hell better plan on higher Democrat turn out. That was the political failure apparent by Arnold's camp in this election.
But the election wasn't a "waste" because of the items voted on. They were important issues that would have have helped the state.
TheDude
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Calabrio said:
Lol. I am gald you know me so well.
Calabrio said:
Misguided voters? You say that because the majority of voters did not vote according to how you would of.
Calabrio said:
I agree, he is not completely far right as the National Party. But to say he doesn't cater to the right is foolish.
The image in that cartoon is just that, a cartoon, don't take it so seriously.
Calabrio said:
By you're own admission you say that the timing was wrong. Money was spent, little changed and no one was surprized about the outcome.
TheDude
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Update:
Incase you're interested in what Arnold thinks. He said (yesterday) that the election was a mistake and a waste of money. But he was man enough to take responsibility.
Incase you're interested in what Arnold thinks. He said (yesterday) that the election was a mistake and a waste of money. But he was man enough to take responsibility.
95DevilleNS said:
It clearly was a mistake.
He lost.
It was a mistake politically and tactically, I've never disagreed with this.
The timing was terrible. However some of the propositions being advanced were important and desereved passage. The mistake was in the strategy, not the principle.
JC1994
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ol arney wishes he'd stayed in the movies now I'll bet!!