So much for the Democrats' claim of "Culture of Corruption"...

Did you see that Senator Dirty Harry Reid got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, again! LOL.
 
The Justice Department is conducting three separate bribery investigations involving members of Congress in both parties. The turmoil increased last week when the House Ethics Committee broke a 16-month partisan gridlock and announced inquiries into the same matters.
On Wednesday, leaders of the committee announced full investigations of Jefferson and Representative Robert W. Ney, Republican of Ohio. They also announced a preliminary inquiry into whether other House members were bribed by defense contractors who corrupted former representative Randy ''Duke" Cunningham, Republican of California. He pleaded guilty and is serving an eight-year sentence.

Hrm...wow...one Democrat two Republicans... Yeah, those evil dems...they're so dragging everyone's name through the mud.
 
raVeneyes said:
The Justice Department is conducting three separate bribery investigations involving members of Congress in both parties. The turmoil increased last week when the House Ethics Committee broke a 16-month partisan gridlock and announced inquiries into the same matters.
On Wednesday, leaders of the committee announced full investigations of Jefferson and Representative Robert W. Ney, Republican of Ohio. They also announced a preliminary inquiry into whether other House members were bribed by defense contractors who corrupted former representative Randy ''Duke" Cunningham, Republican of California. He pleaded guilty and is serving an eight-year sentence.

Hrm...wow...one Democrat two Republicans... Yeah, those evil dems...they're so dragging everyone's name through the mud.

Once again, you CAN'T COUNT.

1. Harry Reid - took $$$$ from Abramoff.
2. Jefferson - caught with $90,000 bribe cash in freezer

That's TWO. One, Two. Not one. Back to school for you.
 
fossten said:
Once again, you CAN'T COUNT.

1. Harry Reid - took $$$$ from Abramoff.
2. Jefferson - caught with $90,000 bribe cash in freezer

That's TWO. One, Two. Not one. Back to school for you.


I wouldn't bring up old Jack Abramoff, last time we had a thread about him, the Republican's that had a hand in his pocket FAR outweighed the Democrats.
 
raVeneyes said:
The Justice Department is conducting three separate bribery investigations involving members of Congress in both parties. The turmoil increased last week when the House Ethics Committee broke a 16-month partisan gridlock and announced inquiries into the same matters.
On Wednesday, leaders of the committee announced full investigations of Jefferson [democrat] and Representative Robert W. Ney, Republican of Ohio. They also announced a preliminary inquiry into whether other House members were bribed by defense contractors who corrupted former representative Randy ''Duke" Cunningham, Republican of California. He pleaded guilty and is serving an eight-year sentence.

Hrm...wow...one Democrat two Republicans... Yeah, those evil dems...they're so dragging everyone's name through the mud.
fossten said:
Once again, you CAN'T COUNT.

1. Harry Reid - took $$$$ from Abramoff.
2. Jefferson - caught with $90,000 bribe cash in freezer

That's TWO. One, Two. Not one. Back to school for you.
three separate bribery investigations
Jefferson [democrat]
Robert W. Ney, Republican
Randy ''Duke" Cunningham, Republican

Hrm...someone needs to take basic arithmetic again...it's not me though...
 
raVeneyes said:
three separate bribery investigations
Jefferson [democrat]
Robert W. Ney, Republican
Randy ''Duke" Cunningham, Republican

Hrm...someone needs to take basic arithmetic again...it's not me though...

Just because you INSIST on leaving Harry Reid's dilemma out doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You sound like the drive-by media, claiming things don't exist even though they are right in your face.

It's okay, I'll print it out for you since you are either too lazy or computer illiterate to CLICK A LINK:


Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Monday, May 29, 2006 11:19 p.m. EDT
Sen. Harry Reid in Ethics Fight Over 'Free' Boxing Tickets


Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid accepted free ringside tickets from the Nevada Athletic Commission to three professional boxing matches while that state agency was trying to influence him on federal regulation of boxing.

Reid, D-Nev., took the free seats for Las Vegas fights between 2003 and 2005 as he was pressing legislation to increase government oversight of the sport, including the creation of a federal boxing commission that Nevada's agency feared might usurp its authority.

He defended the gifts, saying they would never influence his position on the bill and was simply trying to learn how his legislation might affect an important home state industry. "Anyone from Nevada would say I'm glad he is there taking care of the state's No. 1 businesses," he told The Associated Press.

"I love the fights anyways, so it wasn't like being punished," added the senator, a former boxer and boxing judge.


Senate ethics rules generally allow lawmakers to accept gifts from federal, state or local governments, but specifically warn against taking such gifts - particularly on multiple occasions - when they might be connected to efforts to influence official actions.

"Senators and Senate staff should be wary of accepting any gift where it appears that the gift is motivated by a desire to reward, influence, or elicit favorable official action," the Senate ethics manual states. It cites the 1990s example of an Oregon lawmaker who took gifts for personal use from a South Carolina state university and its president while that school was trying to influence his official actions.

"Repeatedly taking gifts which the Gifts Rule otherwise permits to be accepted may, nonetheless, reflect discredit upon the institution, and should be avoided," the manual states.

Several ethics experts said Reid should have paid for the tickets, which were close to the ring and worth between several hundred and several thousand dollars each, to avoid the appearance he was being influenced by gifts.

Two senators who joined Reid for fights with the complimentary tickets took markedly differently steps.


Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., insisted on paying $1,400 for the tickets he shared with Reid for a 2004 championship fight. Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., accepted free tickets to another fight with Reid but already had recused himself from Reid's federal boxing legislation because his father was an executive for a Las Vegas hotel that hosts fights.

In an interview Thursday in his Capitol office, Reid broadly defended his decisions to accept the tickets and to take several actions benefiting disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff's clients and partners as they donated to him.

"I'm not Goodie two-shoes. I just feel these events are nothing I did wrong," Reid said.

Reid had separate meetings in June 2003 in his Senate offices with two Abramoff tribal clients and Edward Ayoob, a former staffer who went to work lobbying with Abramoff.

The meetings occurred over a five-day span in which Ayoob also threw a fund-raiser for Reid at the firm where Ayoob and Abramoff worked that netted numerous donations from Abramoff's partners, firm and clients.

Reid said he viewed the two official meetings and the fund-raiser as a single event. "I think it all was one, the way I look at it," he said.

One of the tribes, the Saginaw Chippewa of Michigan, donated $9,000 to Reid at the fund-raiser and the next morning met briefly with Reid and Ayoob at Reid's office to discuss federal programs. Reid and the tribal chairman posed for a picture.

Five days earlier, Reid met with Ayoob and the Sac & Fox tribe of Iowa for about 15 minutes to discuss at least two legislative requests. Reid's office said the senator never acted on those requests.

A few months after the fund-raiser, Reid did sponsor a spending bill that targeted $100,000 to another Abramoff tribe, the Chitimacha of Louisiana, to pay for a soil erosion study Ayoob was lobbying for. Reid said he sponsored the provision because Louisiana lawmakers sent him a letter requesting it.

Abramoff, a Republican lobbyist, has pleaded guilty in a widespread corruption probe of Capitol Hill. Reid used that conviction earlier this year to accuse Republicans of fostering a culture of corruption inside Congress.

AP recently reported that Reid also wrote at least four letters favorable to Abramoff's tribal clients around the time Reid collected donations from those clients and Abramoff's partners. Reid has declined to return the donations, unlike other lawmakers, saying his letters were consistent with his beliefs.

Senate ethics rules require senators to avoid even the appearance that any official meetings or actions they took were in any way connected with political donations.

Reid broadly defended his actions, stating he would never change his position because of donations, free tickets or a request from a former-staffer-turned-lobbyist.

"People who deal with me and have over the years know that I am an advocate for what I believe in. I always try to do it fair, never take advantage of people on purpose," he said.

Asked if he would have done anything differently, the Senate Democratic leader said his only concern was "the willingness of the press ... to take these instances and try to make a big deal out of them."

Several ethics experts said they believed Reid should have paid for the boxing tickets to avoid violating Senate ethics rules.

Bernadette Sargeant, a former House ethics lawyer, said the Senate would have to examine the specific facts to determine whether Reid violated the gift ban. She said the clearer ethics issue involved Reid's obligation to avoid the appearance that the free tickets and his official duties were connected.

"From what you are describing, it is such a huge risk that a reasonable person with all the relevant facts would say this creates the appearance of impropriety," she said. "The more cautious thing, the more prudent thing would be to either pay the tickets or fair market value or not accept the tickets in the first place."

Andrew Herman, a Washington lawyer who frequently works with Congress, agreed. "I think it is pretty clear what Sen. McCain did in the current atmosphere in Washington was certainly the more prudent thing."

"I think if you are receiving anything of value from anyone that has matters before the federal government and matters under your purview that you have to be very careful with your conduct," Herman said.

Attorney Marc Elias, who has represented Democrats in ethics cases and was asked by Reid's office to call AP, said he believed Reid should not be penalized for trying to help his state. "There are varying degrees of gift givers," Elias said. "There is a difference between a gift from a state entity and a gift from a savings & loan."

Marc Ratner, executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission when Reid took the free tickets, said one of his desires was to convince Reid and McCain that there was no need for the federal government to usurp the state commission's authority. At the time, McCain and Reid were pushing legislation to create a federal boxing commission.

"I invited him because I was talking with his staff" about the legislation, Ratner said. "This was a chance for all of my commissioners, who are politically appointed, to interact with them. It was important for them to see how we in Nevada did things.

"I am a states rights activist and I didn't want any federal bill that would take away our state rights to regulate fights," he said, adding that he hoped McCain and Reid, at the very least, would be persuaded to model any federal commission after Nevada's body.

Reid said he remembered talking to Ratner briefly at the fights and knew Ratner was working with his Senate staff on the federal legislation.

McCain's office said the Arizona senator felt an obligation to pay for the ringside tickets he got from the Nevada commission to attend the Oscar De La Hoya-Bernard Hopkins championship match in September 2004.

"Sen. McCain has always paid for his own tickets to boxing matches and sees no reason to change that," aide Mark Salter said.

Ensign's office said he attended one fight in the last couple of years with Reid and accepted the free tickets from the commission. But his office said Ensign already had removed himself from the boxing legislation that would have affected the Nevada commission.

"He did not have anything to do with it because at the time he recused himself," Ensign spokesman Jack Finn said of the legislation.

Kathleen Clark, a Washington University of St. Louis congressional ethics expert, said Congress should re-examine the exemption allowing gifts by state and federal and local governments because they too can have interest in influencing federal lawmakers like Reid.

"I think he would want to be above approach even when it's from a state commission and not a private lobbyist," Clark said. "I don't think we should make any assumption about a government. The fact is government agencies can act as proxies for different interests. Here it happens to be the Nevada boxing commission, and I would guess it is aligned with certain industry groups."
 
um, ok, but which issues have senate investigations...only three, and Reid's not one of them
 
raVeneyes said:
um, ok, but which issues have senate investigations...only three, and Reid's not one of them

[mocking voice] UM, OK, but you need to re-read my title post. I didn't say investigations. You did.

I said "under fire."

If you're finished falsely nitpicking now, please try to stay on topic.

Thank you.
 
fossten said:
If you're finished falsely nitpicking now, please try to stay on topic.
What you can dish it out but you can't take it???

There aren't even any accusations being leveled at Reid, and yet the article tosses in the Senate investigations as though there's some sort of tangible link between the two.

Man, what partisan crap reporting you find...and believe in...
 
raVeneyes said:
What you can dish it out but you can't take it???

There aren't even any accusations being leveled at Reid, and yet the article tosses in the Senate investigations as though there's some sort of tangible link between the two.

Man, what partisan crap reporting you find...and believe in...

Please. You conveniently, partisanly, ignorantly forget that every time anything untoward happens to a Republican, the Dems immediately bring up the "Culture of Corruption", as though there's some sort of guilt by association. Get used to it. That's called context. You should be familiar with it since the Drive-by media does it all the time.

There's nothing untrue or inaccurate or even inappropriate in EITHER article.

I'll give you a counter example: Every single article that so much as updates Tom DeLay's situation gratuitously recaps everything that's going on with him, as though nobody already knows.:rolleyes:

What's the matter, can't handle a taste of your own medicine?
 
raVeneyes said:
Man, what partisan crap reporting you find...and believe in...
Man, welcome to OUR world. We deal with this crap on a DAILY basis.

I feel like framing your quote.:D
 
Congressman Tried to Hide Papers, Justice Dept. Says
Court Filing in Response to Jefferson Lawsuit Defends Raid


By Allan Lengel and Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, May 31, 2006; A04

The Justice Department yesterday vigorously defended the recent weekend raid of Rep. William J. Jefferson's Capitol Hill office as part of a bribery investigation, asserting that the Democratic lawmaker attempted to hide documents from FBI agents while they were searching his New Orleans home last August.

The government questioned in a 34-page motion filed in U.S. District Court here whether it could have obtained all the materials it had sought in a subpoena if it had not launched the surprise raid on Jefferson's congressional office May 20. According to the government filing, an FBI agent caught Jefferson slipping documents into a blue bag in the living room of his New Orleans home during a search.

"It is my belief that when Congressman Jefferson placed documents into the blue bag, he was attempting to conceal documents that were relevant to the investigation," FBI agent Stacey E. Kent of New Orleans stated in an affidavit that was part of the government's court submission. The document was filed in response to Jefferson's lawsuit demanding that the government return to him documents seized during the raid on his Capitol Hill office 11 days ago.

Robert P. Trout, Jefferson's attorney, said he would refrain from commenting pending further review of the government's documents. Meanwhile, the recent FBI raid spurred new tensions between Congress and the administration, as a House committee chairman vowed to interrogate top Justice Department officials.

Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) said he wants Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to appear "up here to tell us how they reached the conclusion" to conduct the raid, which Sensenbrenner called "profoundly disturbing" on constitutional grounds. The chairman also said that his committee "will be working promptly" to draft legislation that would clearly prohibit wide-ranging searches of lawmakers' offices by federal officials pursuing criminal cases.

Justice Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse reiterated the agency's defense of the search as legal and necessary. He cautioned that Gonzales would not be able to go into detail about the Jefferson probe if he were to testify.

As part of its response to Jefferson's lawsuit, the government offered to provide a "filter team" -- to be made up of an FBI agent and two Justice Department lawyers not part of the investigation -- which would allow Jefferson to examine all the seized materials. If Jefferson thought legislative materials were "privileged" and unrelated to the criminal investigation but the government disagreed, a judge would be the final arbiter, under the proposal.

The Justice Department's court filing and Sensenbrenner's comments -- made during a hearing in which constitutional scholars sharply criticized the May 20 raid -- ran counter to recent efforts by President Bush and key lawmakers to calm down talk of a constitutional standoff. Bush last week ordered the seized materials to be sealed for 45 days, allowing time for tempers to cool and for lawyers and elected officials to confer.

But Sensenbrenner and several committee colleagues yesterday described the FBI's weekend search of Jefferson's office in the Rayburn House Office Building as an arrogant, unnecessary breach of tradition and vital constitutional protections. The FBI had several other ways to compel Jefferson to surrender specific items, they said. The copying of Jefferson's computer hard drive, they said, was akin to rifling through every file cabinet, including files dealing with matters unrelated to the alleged crimes.

The Constitution says House and Senate members "shall not be questioned . . . for any Speech or Debate in either House." Bruce Fein, one of the constitutional lawyers who testified yesterday, said that "when it comes to documents, the only way you can search is to read everything. And when you read everything, you encroach on the 'Speech or Debate' clause."

Noting that Gonzales, Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Paul J. McNulty signaled that they would resign if they were forced to return the Jefferson documents, Fein said: "Well, let them resign. I am astonished that the president would not have fired them for undertaking this action without consulting him in advance."

In yesterday's court filing, the government argued that law enforcement authorities should not be barred from conducting searches of congressional offices simply because they contain legislative materials -- such as committee reports, internal memos and drafts of bills -- that are protected under the "Speech or Debate" clause. "If his argument is accepted by this court, members of Congress and their staffs would be able to create search-free zones wherever they go by bringing along some legislative materials," the government said of Jefferson, 59, who has been under investigation since March 2005 over allegations that he took hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in exchange for using his congressional influence to promote business ventures in Africa. A key part of the FBI probe has centered on Jefferson's dealings with iGate Inc., a Louisville high-tech company that was marketing broadband technology for the Internet and cable television in Africa.

Last Aug. 3, FBI agents searched Jefferson's New Orleans home while the congressman and family members were present. Kent said she was assigned to watch Jefferson and his family during the search, according to her affidavit accompanying the government motion yesterday.

She said she observed him looking at several pieces of paper on a table. At one point, she said, he asked to see a copy of the subpoena.

"After a copy had been brought to him and he reviewed it, I observed Congressman Jefferson then take the subpoena and the documents he had been reading earlier and place them together under his elbow on the kitchen table."

At one point, she said, he moved to the living room, which had just been searched, and sat on a recliner. While sitting, he slipped the subpoena and the documents into a blue bag that he knew had already been searched, Kent's affidavit said.

"After several minutes, I approached Congressman Jefferson and told him that I needed to look at the documents that he had placed into the bag," the agent stated. "Congressman Jefferson told me the documents were subpoenas."

He finally pulled out the documents that were from a B.K. Son. The search warrant had asked for all communications between Jefferson and Son, the affidavit said. Son is the chief technology officer of iGate.

U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan set a June 16 hearing to address the motion by Jefferson's attorney seeking the return all the seized documents.
 

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