Spy Drones for Police? Of course, it's for our own good...

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Spy drones in demand by U.S. police departments, but approval pending

By Tom Brown

Reuters
Thursday, March 27, 2008

MIAMI: The Miami police could soon use cutting-edge flying drones to help fight crime.

A small pilotless vehicle manufactured by Honeywell International, capable of hovering and "staring" using electro-optic or infrared sensors, is expected to be introduced soon in the skies over the Florida Everglades.

If use of the drone wins U.S. Federal Aviation Administration approval after tests, the Miami-Dade Police Department will start flying the 14 pound, or 6.35 kilogram, drone over urban areas with an eye toward full-fledged employment in crime fighting.

"Our intentions are to use it only in tactical situations as an extra set of eyes," said Detective Juan Villalba, a police department spokesman.

"We intend to use this to benefit us in carrying out our mission," he added, saying the wingless Honeywell aircraft, which fits into a backpack and is capable of vertical takeoff and landing, seems ideally suited for use by SWAT teams in hostage situations or dealing with "barricaded subjects."

And the Miami-Dade police are not alone. Taking their lead from the U.S. military, which has used drones in Iraq and Afghanistan for years, law enforcement agencies across the United States have voiced a growing interest in using drones for domestic crime-fighting missions.

Known in the aerospace industry as unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs, drones have been under development for decades in the United States.

The CIA acknowledges that it developed a dragonfly-sized UAV known as the "Insectohopter" for laser-guided spy operations as long ago as the 1970s. And other advanced work on robotic flyers has clearly been under way for quite some time.

"The FBI is experimenting with a variety of unmanned aerial vehicles," said Marcus Thomas, an assistant director of the bureau's Operational Technology Division.

"At this point they have been used mainly for search and rescue missions," he added. "It certainly is an up-and-coming technology and the FBI is researching additional uses for UAVs."

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency has been flying drones over the Arizona desert and southwest border with Mexico since 2006 and will soon deploy one in North Dakota to patrol the Canadian border as well.

This month, Juan Munoz-Torres, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, said the agency would also begin test flights of a modified version of its large Predator B drones, built by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, over the Gulf of Mexico.

Citing numerous safety concerns, the Federal Aviation Administration - the government agency responsible for regulating civil aviation - has been slow in developing procedures for the use of drones by police departments.

"You don't want one of these coming down on grandma's windshield when she's on her way to the grocery store," said Doug Davis, the agency's program manager for unmanned aerial systems.

He acknowledged strong interest from law enforcement agencies in getting drones up and running, however, and said the smaller aircraft were particularly likely to have a "huge economic impact" over the next 10 years.

Getting clearance for the police and other civilian agencies to fly cannot come soon enough for Billy Robinson, chief executive of Cyber Defense Systems, a small start-up company in St. Petersburg, Florida. His company makes an eight-pound kite-sized drone that was flown for a time by the police in Palm Bay, Florida, and in other towns, before the Federal Aviation Administration stepped in.

"We've had interest from dozens of law enforcement agencies," Robinson said. "They are preventing a bunch of small companies such as ours from becoming profitable," he said, referring to the agency.

Some privacy advocates, however, say rules and ordinances need to be drafted to protect civil liberties during surveillance operations.

"There's been controversies all around about putting up surveillance cameras in public areas," said Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Florida.

"Technological developments can be used by law enforcement in a way that enhances public safety," he said. "But every enhanced technology also contains a threat of further erosion of privacy."
 
ok, this is worth me posting in the dangerous political forum. what the hell is this world coming to, anyone else read 1984? here is big brother in full swing, red light cameras, speeding cams, now these drones, when will cops realize that all these things are gonna put them out of work, soon we wont need cops at all, if you do something wrong they will need 1 officer to mail you a ticket. all of these things are flawed, the red light cameras will issue you a ticket if you cross the line just a little bit, the speeding cams will ticket you if you are 3mph over (even though even new cars have a few mph variation in speed from the factory) and as for our own safety how about the seat belt laws? why does the police worry about my safety? oh wait, its so they can make money off of me, the only way i can injure someone else without wearing my damn seatbelt is if i get in a wreck and i fly through the windshield and hit some by standard. dont get me wrong i do wear mine (ever since they made it legal to stop you just for that, about 8 or so years ago in IL) but its always "for our safety" more like "for your money" i agree that what they are planning on using these drones for hostage situations is helpful, but thats how it starts and soon enough it will be used for policing the streets issuing tickets for everything from spitting on the sidewalk to not picking up dog crap.
ok rant over (running away from the evil political forum)
 
Yes,
These are the good old days.
Soon we will have OBD III which if your CEL light goes on will notify the government who will send a letter and threaten to suspend a registration.
Also gps systems in cars and phones to track you and send you a ticket if you exceed the speed limit.
More cameras for serveillance in big cities like already in London.
Then the government would love to eliminate cash so that there will be a record of every transaction and the elimination of (government called) illegal transactions.
 
ive heard rumors about "big brother" tracking and even eavesdropping on suspect mobsters, drug dealers etc through GM's onstar
 
and as for our own safety how about the seat belt laws? why does the police worry about my safety? oh wait, its so they can make money off of me, the only way i can injure someone else without wearing my damn seatbelt is if i get in a wreck and i fly through the windshield and hit some by standard. dont get me wrong i do wear mine (ever since they made it legal to stop you just for that, about 8 or so years ago in IL) but its always "for our safety" more like "for your money"

Yeah! Whats that all about eh? You get tickets for not wearing a seat belt... but its ok to ride a motorcycle without a helmet or any kind of safety gear :confused:

I see 04SCTLS mentioned London - in England these days, you rarely see a real cop, due to the reliance on cameras, traffic calming schemes (speed bumps) etc.

''Big brother is watching you'' :shifty:

''War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength'' :D
 
George Orwell would be proud.

I gotta win the lotto so I can buy my own island...
 

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