Suicide bombers
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I'm pretty sure they are the Iraqi's that support Saddam, or Pakistanis that crossed the border. They are targeting the occupier, American soldiers and Iraqi's that support the new government. There are 2 types of muslims, shi-ite and sunni. One believes the descendents of Allah are the true muslims, the other believes the descendents of some other influential muslim, it's been a long time since world history, are the true muslims. They have disliked each other for centuries. So, not only are the 2 groups of muslims fighting, but also American soldiers as well.
I hope this helps.
I hope this helps.
MonsterMark
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Who's the occupier?barry2952 said:
MonsterMark
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Occupier or Liberator? Huge difference.
formerknown
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Terrorists will do anything to win in the long-run. They will kill their own people if they have to, not just us. Terrorists retaionalize their violence just as criminals and ignorant people rationalize what they do...
MonsterMark said:
I don't think there is a difference at all. That was not the point of my question. If you wish to make it the issue it just means you are looking for a fight. The question is still legitimate. Try answering it.
Remember, we are the ones that called it "Occupied Japan" after WWII. What's the difference?
JohnnyBz00LS
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barry2952 said:
:I The "liberation" ended 2 yrs ago w/ "Mission Accomplished", we've been occupiers ever since.
BACK ON TOPIC: I think SurfjaxLS pretty much nailed it. The "insurgents" are both Iraqi Saddam loyalists and other terrorists groups from adjoining countries. Their targets are about anyone standing in thier way of undermining the regime change taking place.
FreeFaller
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barry2952 said:
The suicide bombers in Iraq come from alot of places (Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, Turkey). You have to understand that in muslim culture suicide is not a one way ticket to hell. Quite the contrary if it is done to take the life of one or many "infidels". These terrorists come from a very poor and ignorant background where religion and those who teach it are God. There is nothing to counter the ramblings of a madman whose soul was condemed to the abyss a long time ago. The people who have these ignorant souls under their control (terrorist groups, mullahs, their sixth grade teacher) know that controlling people is much easier when their knowledge of the world is limited. Therefore you could say that the Suicide bombers are mere pawns in a war that will not end until the ignorant are educated and free.
As for why kill Iraqis and not the...occupier...(I'll get to that word later)? These leaders of the insurrectious factions and groups are actually quite smart, albeit completely insane, but those two go hand in hand. They know that their greatest ally in the war against "The Great Satan" is the masses of people. So, ironically, they kill them in droves. They (terrorist masterminds) know that the finger will get pointed directly at america no matter whom is responsible. But even if that does not happen, pictures of the event will go directly to the media where boatloads of whiny uneducated idiots will cry foul against the American forces. Now the loudest noise will come from Americans themselves. They will cry and moan about the loss of life and hide behind a yellow ribbon and some number of 1600 dead americans when they have absolutely no clue what that number really represents. They will sit back in their comfortable chair and chastise and belittle the reason these people died. Then they will attack the current administration who have made their (the terrorists) lives a living hell for four years and scream some crap like "LIAR" or "THE REAL TERRORISTS"... The airports will fill with people who spit on our troops and call them "baby killers"......and then those evil souls who stirred up the whole thing will sit back and watch as Americans complete the mission of the terrorists themselves...they will eventually elect a spineless, ignorant face for thier beliefs. A face who will pull out the troops and end this "terrible war"...and the terrorists will get what they wanted...the day before September 11th...
"Once I was asleep...but that day in September I woke to see the world how it truly was...may I never sleep again..."
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MonsterMark
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I don't know. They don't say their name and place of origin before turning themselves into spaghetti with meatballs.barry2952 said:
Some are I am sure, some aren't.barry2952 said:
I'll willing to bet they come from the land of the sand and wear blankets on their heads.barry2952 said:
Because the Iraqis aren't shooting first and asking questions later.barry2952 said:
Because the 'occupier' will shoot first and doesn't care what the question was.barry2952 said:
I'm in a good mood.barry2952 said:
You guys don't want to touch the 'occupier' question because in your heart of hearts, you know the United States to be liberators, not occupiers, and we have proven that throughout history. The term occupier is just another way to be mean-spirited and hate what this good Country does to keep mankind from eating itself.
BTW. Great post Steve!
From American Heritage Dictionary of the American Language.
oc-cu-py 1. To seize possession of and maintain control over (a place or region) by military conquest.
Bryan,
Please quit hijacking this thread with your typical diversions. Please stick to the thread or stay out of it. Is that asking too much?
oc-cu-py 1. To seize possession of and maintain control over (a place or region) by military conquest.
Bryan,
Please quit hijacking this thread with your typical diversions. Please stick to the thread or stay out of it. Is that asking too much?
MonsterMark
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Hey, what can I say. ADD sucks when you're supposed to stay on message.barry2952 said:
Many of the suicide bombers are Saudi nationals. A few are Syrians and Iranians that have come across the Syrian border. We are attempting to restrict access across the Syrian border but we will succeed at that as well as we do at the Mexican border.
I think the insurgents policy of going after innocent people ultimately doesn't work. People see their friends and neighbors killed by people who are supposed to be fighting against the bad guy (Americans), but instead are killing their own. So over a matter of time, these same assassins only serve to harden the hearts of the Iraqis who will eventually see us Americans as the liberators we are and have always been.
From Websters New Universal Unabridged Dictionary
Liberate: to free; to release from restraint or bondage, to set at liberty.
FreeFaller
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How's about we just call ourselves "Occupational Liberators" 
Isn't the problem a little deeper? It would seem to me that the Sunnis want a civil war with the Shiites and Kurds. What would civil war gain for the Sunnis? There aren't enough of them to win a civil war, are there?
MonsterMark
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From my understanding, the new Iraqi government is cutting the Sunnis in on a bunch of policy making decisions to placate them. But in the end, there are the factions that see democracy and all that the West stands for as evil and there will not be peace for generations. Not until the free markets elevate their standard of living to the point that they can become fat and stupid like us, then they will have something to lose. A person with nothing to lose is a very dangerous person and right now, Iraqi and that region in general really has nothing to lose. Hopefully some of that oil money that should be ours will start to flow into the general publics hands and they will become more like the UAE and less like the Saudis and Iranians.
Bryan,
Why didn't we know this going in? Lets leave GWB out of the equation. Why didn't we know about these events and act accordingly? What went wrong?
FBI? CIA? ? ? ? ? ? ? Why hasn't something cohesive been done? The new czar can't seem to get it together.
Why didn't we know this going in? Lets leave GWB out of the equation. Why didn't we know about these events and act accordingly? What went wrong?
FBI? CIA? ? ? ? ? ? ? Why hasn't something cohesive been done? The new czar can't seem to get it together.
MonsterMark
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It is a scary thought to think that we really DO NOT have a clue what the rest of the world is up to, even with all of our technology. The fact that we lagged behind in intelligence recruiting for decades is one of the biggest reasons. We just didn't and still don't have enough bodies on the ground that can mix in covertly with the Middle Eastern populace. As far as the WMD, I am convinced it was there and most is buried or moved. Saddam felt he could outlast the US resolve and then get back to business again after our hissy-fit was over. Obviously the advice given to him by the French and Russians was wrong. We happened to have a guy in office with an axe to grind and a reason to grind it so Saddam is out.
It certainly is troubling that before 9/11, all of our intelligence acted independently. That turned out not be be good for our Country as we all saw. Hopefully they are getting their act together. But you are correct. The blame lies squarely with the intelligence community. Garbage in, garbage out.
It certainly is troubling that before 9/11, all of our intelligence acted independently. That turned out not be be good for our Country as we all saw. Hopefully they are getting their act together. But you are correct. The blame lies squarely with the intelligence community. Garbage in, garbage out.