Supercharger due in Thursday!!

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My Supercharger will be in my hands Thursday.....LET THE BUILD BEGIN!!:D

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=45344

Also as I have done some research, it looks like our LS TPS will bolt up to the Cobra Throttle body perfect. I also now have a contact at Newman/Haas Racing that is going to help with the intercooler CNC machining. So far everything is falling into place.
 
Well, bad news....There is no way the Cobra Supercharger is going to fit on this car..... Back to the drawing board.
 
PGA2B---Tell us a little bit about how you expected the 'charger to fit. Maybe we can make suggestions.
KS
 
the M112 is much larger - and uses an integrated by-pass / manifold coupling - meaning, when in by-pass mode (low rpm) it opens a by-pass valve allowing air from the intake of the SC to flow directly into the manifold (which would be under vacuum at the time).

You have to have enough room under the SC to integrate the manifold and intercooler. This would be very difficult to stuff between the heads and under the hood in the LS.

Jamie has experience with his past cars.

Could always cut-da-hood!
 
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Custom cowl hood time. Can you not do a front mounted intercooler with a supercharger? I don't know much about s/c's at all.

thanks nhlsv8 haha
 
if you look here - > http://www.eaton.com/ecm/groups/public/@pub/@eaton/@per/documents/content/ct_167920.jpg - you'll see the underside - how the by-pass and output are in the same casing - this usually mates to the manifold (or liquid-to-air intercooler inbetween the SC and manifold). Makes is hard to do a air-to-air intercooler setup (which is less efficient anyway)

If you look at my setup - the output of the blower is seperate form the by-pass, which allows me to route the blower output through the intercooler, while the by-pass goes from inlet to manifold. I can go with air-to-air or use a liquid-to-air setup. However I have to spin my M90 more to make the same PSI, and therefore I generate more heat.
 
The Supercharger is way too long and hangs over the engine. The reason I tried the M112 Cobra is that I would rather have an air to water intercooler instead of an air to air. I have a lot of experience with air to water from my Grand Prix days. I still have not given up on the air to water idea. It is not a hight issue, it is a length issue for the M112. If there was a m112 with an external by pass it might work. I don't know what supercharger the SVC guys used but it was not a Cobra as I was told it was. So it looks like I will be doing a T-Bird M90 and changing the outlet to blow into the manifold if I can flip the blower case. Quik has a great setup, but I want air to water.
 
you could use a chargecooler - like alot of turbos do or vortech SC - liquid-to-air like you want - but it goes in-line from the output of the SC to the input of the manifold. My Lotus does this.

you come off the SC output into the aftercooler then into the manifold.

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PGA2B said:
The Supercharger is way too long and hangs over the engine. The reason I tried the M112 Cobra is that I would rather have an air to water intercooler instead of an air to air. I have a lot of experience with air to water from my Grand Prix days. I still have not given up on the air to water idea. It is not a hight issue, it is a length issue for the M112. If there was a m112 with an external by pass it might work. I don't know what supercharger the SVC guys used but it was not a Cobra as I was told it was. So it looks like I will be doing a T-Bird M90 and changing the outlet to blow into the manifold if I can flip the blower case. Quik has a great setup, but I want air to water.
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Jamie, when I seen your one post in here the supercharger total length was the first thing that came to mind. I was thinking that with as long as the snout is that it might be difficult to mount the blower far enough to the rear to allow proper engagement of the serp belt on the blower pulley.

When I did a custom Kenne Bell blower project some years back I thought I might run into this same problem. My plan was to take it to a machine shop and have the entire snout shortened by a machinist. Though I have never personally dismantled the M112 snout it is an overall pretty simple piece that should not require tons of effort to shorten down. Shorten it to the point where you think it should be pretty close and then design the manifold and blower mounting location to allow finetuned alignment.

Another option, which might require a little movement of other items is like to have a custom blower belt pulley that bolts onto the stocker crank pulley. You would have to verify if the stocker crank pulley is machined face so as to allow proper engagement of the blower crank pulley. It might be an option.

Just a few thoughts from a fellow engineer/fabricator type. ;)
 
I like ILLS's idea... It would seem to be the easiest; now you would only have to worry about a belt for the supercharger alone, not routing a belt with obscene length to fit all of your accessories. And on top of that, you get an inch to three to play with (just depends how you set-up your blower pulley and how much room you have to move it out from the engine.
 
I hope you don't expect anything to just bolt up. I also hope you have access to a tig welder for this project.

I have done a water to air setup on my honda crx. here is a link with some pics if your interested in checking it out. The supercharger work starts on page 3. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2246116


The laminova cores are great space savers and are more efficient than normal tube and fin or bar and plate coolers.
 
Snowseeker said:
I hope you don't expect anything to just bolt up. I also hope you have access to a tig welder for this project.
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Just curious but did you actually read the OP's post in this thread or the other one linked in their first post? Of course they realize it is not going to simply bolt up. That is why he has already mentioned getting the IC and lower plenum CNC machined for starters.
 
Jamie's not a newbie to this...

It's always welcome to offer your input and use past builds as an example - don't let your excitment to show what you know trample on others..
 
Quik LS said:
Jamie's not a newbie to this...

It's always welcome to offer your input and use past builds as an example - don't let your excitment to show what you know trample on others..
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Well said.
 
Hows the supercharger project going? If you need any help with fabrication I am here to help. :Beer
 
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