Supercharger for Aviator??

nofinga911

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I wanted to post this in the high performance section but there was no forums for aviators..anyway I am trying to find either a kit or someone who can supercharge my aviator...actually I just want to make the suv faster...a lottt faster..anyone have any suggestions..almost anything I have thought of would have to be done custom because of the fact that nobody markets anything to add better performance for aviators...and I have been searching ever since I got the suv which was two years ago...someone please help me or point me in the direction of a shop, friend, or anyone who can help me...thanks guys I really appreciate your time..
 
First there will be a few questions that will need to be answered first.

What year Aviator?

What kind of performance are you going for? (towing power, street racer, 1/4 dragracer, so on)

What overall horsepower number would you like to be at?

How much can you afford to invest into the project?


Let me know that stuff and I can get back to you with a more accurate approach to attaining your project goals.
 
Wow you have no idea how greatly appreciated your reply is lol...no body knows anything about aviators....it's an 04' I want the speed for street racing....umm as for horsepower im thinking 400-500 higher the better.....money isnt a matter so long as im not getting ripped off...thanks a lot...hope you get back to me soon
 
nofinga911 said:
Wow you have no idea how greatly appreciated your reply is lol...no body knows anything about aviators....it's an 04' I want the speed for street racing....umm as for horsepower im thinking 400-500 higher the better.....money isnt a matter so long as im not getting ripped off...thanks a lot...hope you get back to me soon



Oh I can definately help ya. I have no idea how much you know about performance engines so let me throw a few questions at you once more.

Do you know what the difference is between a centrifugal and twin screw supercharger is?

The twin screw makes the power from way down low in the powerband (1500 rpms) and abuses your engine and drivetrain more, and a centrifugal charger gets its power curve on a little higher in the powerband (3000 rpms) and pulls really well to redline. The twin screw will be more expensive than the centrifugal will be but it will get you off the line quicker.

I did a custom installation of a twin screw charger in my 2003 Ford Explorer
(4.6 liter SOHC engine) and it cost a little less than $10,000 for EVERYTHING said and done with me doing all my own wrenching, fabrication, and R&D. I made 400 rwhp (500 @ crank) on light boost and then detuned it to 360 rwhp (450 @ crank) to save the current tranny till the build.

Now the twin screw charger itself would be about anywhere between $4,800 for a non-intercooled kit (around 450 flywheel hp on stock engine), to $6,400 for the race charger that would be good up past 700 horsepower at the flywheel (would need a fully built race engine + tranny). The additional cost that comprises the rest of the $10,000 is stuff like the new MAS, injectors, Xcal2 tuner, dynotune session, Boost a pump, research and development, fans, different alternator, so on and on and on. This is not counting labor which would be a pretty penny too.

The other option would be a centrifugal charger like a Vortech or something. You could make a pretty respectable amount of power with a centri and still not beat up on your drivetrain as much as the twin screw. It woudl also be much cheaper than the twin screw. The only downfall of this is that while the twin screw charger would get you off the line REAL quick, this would take a little longer to see full boost. As long as your geared for it you should not have much of a problem with either.

Like I said, I went with my big twin screw because I am building a purpose built weekend racetruck to hit at least low 11's in the 1/4 mile. If you dont have quite as high needs as I, then you can save some money in the long run.

It depends on how serious you want to get with your Avi. Luckily you have the same exact heads as the 03/04 Cobra crowd does, so you have a few supercharger systems available to you. It will take some fabbing to install in your truck though.

If your willing to do your own wrenchwork then you can save a lot of money. If your not then as long as your willing to drop the Avi off in Northeast Illinois for a few weeks then I can do it for you for a decent price. Some other shops may do it for you too, but I am willing to bet they have probably never attempted anything such as a custom job like this before.

I hope this helps you in the selection process a little more. Let me know what you intend to do from here on out. I will forewarn you now that if you plan to go big (600-700 horsepower) that your costs will rise dramatically due to having to get a fully build engine and transmission done, along with a revamped fuel system. Not trying to scare ya off, just letting you know it isn't cheap. For example, when my project is said and done I will have over $20,000 under the hood of the X.

Let me know what you want to do.


Rob
 
I almost forgot that you could also get a used 03/04 Cobra eaton blower and have that installed too. Just another option.
 
WoW first of all thanks for all of the information...most importantly what do you mean by abusing the drivetrain...will a supercharger cause any damage to my car? and after your finished with your x how much horsepower do you plan on having? and illinois is not that close to me lol so i would have to take a vacation...if i decided to go big, and let you do the work, how long would it take...how experienced are you? do you own a shop? put it this way i want my truck to be faster then any other stock suv like the porsche cayenne turbo s and the soon to come mercedes ml 63 amg (510 hp)...what would you suggest i do?
 
would all the parts have to be bought seperatly or are there kits for my suv?
 
nofinga911 said:
would all the parts have to be bought seperatly or are there kits for my suv?


There are no kits at this time. The closest related kit would be something for a 03/04 Cobra, 03 Mach 1, or 03 Marauder...


As far as the best bang to buck ratio I would say go for the used 03/04 Cobra Eaton blower. There are a lot of Cobra guys swapping to Whipples and Kenne bell's and almost give their Eatons away. A Cobra eaton blower on there would make some pretty good power!
 
im not really a fan of used parts...i usually go for top of the line...but then again i dont know much about this stuff i just want my car to go faster....and what about my other questions like the abusing you mentioned towards the drive train...in what way did you mean that?
 
how come they want whipples and belles instead of the eaton? are they better? and what else would i need if i bought that one from the link i posted? what kind of performance would get?
 
nofinga911 said:
how come they want whipples and belles instead of the eaton? are they better? and what else would i need if i bought that one from the link i posted? what kind of performance would get?



The Eaton produces some damn good power (500rwhp ported), but the Whipples and Kenne Bells produce CRAZY power(650-700+rwhp)! They flow more air and do it without heating if as much either, which leads to more power. They are also designed to handle 20+ psi boost depending on which model you get.

If you did get the Eaton, you would also have to work a deal to get your hands on a Cobra intercooler too. When swapping to the Whipples or KB's they pull their IC off and re-use it with the bigger blowers. You would need an IC to keep things safe for your engine.
 
nofinga911 said:
do you have any kind of instant messanger? pref. aol?


If ya want just give me a call tomorrow afternoon about this time. I am busy working a real estate deal with a brokerage firm right now otherwise I would ask ya to call me today. My cell # is: (312)-493-0044. Call me after 4PM tomorrow if you like?
 
yea definetly ill try to call you tomorrow..got a busy day tomorrow...but if not ill call you on wed. if thats ok...by the way im frank
 
nofinga911 said:
yea definetly ill try to call you tomorrow..got a busy day tomorrow...but if not ill call you on wed. if thats ok...by the way im frank


Nice to meet ya Frank and glad to have ya on the board. Either tomorrow afternoon or Wednesday afternoon should be ok.
 
hey rocket...i havent been around for a while...kinda changed my mind on the supercharger idea...but its back again lol!! any help?
 
Its like supercharging a school bus.

I have an 05 aviator and a supercharged 98 Navigator. I went the centrifigual route myself, did all the work to and it was relatively easy.
 
stang99x said:
Its like supercharging a school bus.

oh yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that sums it up
LOL
nice pics geno!!

cool bus 2.jpg


cool bus 3.jpg
 
stang99x said:
Its like supercharging a school bus.

I have an 05 aviator and a supercharged 98 Navigator. I went the centrifigual route myself, did all the work to and it was relatively easy.

yea but they sell kits for the navi...i cant find any for the avi...and i dont know what to do lol
 
They do sell kits for the navi, but I didn't buy one. I bought an F150 kit and customized it with a liquid to air intercooler:eek:
 
stang99x said:
They do sell kits for the navi, but I didn't buy one. I bought an F150 kit and customized it with a liquid to air intercooler:eek:

you see im new to this stuff..still a youngin...ya know? so i need all the help i can get...i dont wanna go to a shop and have them do it custom because i dont know how much all the parts and stuff cost..so i'll end up getting ripped off..so i know my engine is similar to the mustang cobra..so maybe i can work with a cobra supercharger? what do you think? would any other superchargers work with my car? please help i want that power!!!

oh and some off topic questions..
1. my ignition coils are always going bad..why could this be? how can i fix it?
2. i flashed ,my car with a programmer and my rims get totally black from brake dust very quickly, my car sort of sputters as i ride slow when i take off (this is what usually happend when one of my ignition coils went bad) and it sounds like some sort of clinging coming from my front driver side brakes
3. when i punch the gas and then let off of it i hear a squeak come from under my hood
 
nofinga911 said:
you see im new to this stuff..still a youngin...ya know? so i need all the help i can get...i dont wanna go to a shop and have them do it custom because i dont know how much all the parts and stuff cost..so i'll end up getting ripped off..so i know my engine is similar to the mustang cobra..so maybe i can work with a cobra supercharger? what do you think? would any other superchargers work with my car? please help i want that power!!!

oh and some off topic questions..
1. my ignition coils are always going bad..why could this be? how can i fix it?
2. i flashed ,my car with a programmer and my rims get totally black from brake dust very quickly, my car sort of sputters as i ride slow when i take off (this is what usually happend when one of my ignition coils went bad) and it sounds like some sort of clinging coming from my front driver side brakes
3. when i punch the gas and then let off of it i hear a squeak come from under my hood

OK, well lets start numerically here

1) Fords are typical for crappy COP's. However, in 25K miles my aviator hasn't shat one yet. My Nav (98K miles) has shat two
2) The brake dust and flash aren't related. The poor off line performance probably is flash related. First, reflash and try again. If that doesn't work, your program isn't right for whatever reason. Who programmed it?
3) are you running the ac?

How many miles are on this bad boy?? I mean, you get a 4 year 50K mile warranty.

Now as for the blower. I bought the blower first, installed it and ran like that for a while. I already had a massive exhaust system on it, so it breathed rather freely. After a few weeks of becoming accustomed to it, (this is the first time I had ever installed one and I get picky about my work sometimes) I added 42# fuel injectors and a lighting 90MM MAF meter. This allowed me to remove the FMU (fuel management unit). (in case you don't know, the FMU changes the Air Fuel ratio to compensate for the increased fuel demand with the blower, my unit was a 12:1) I had a custom diablosport chip made for it at this point, which made everything talk to one another with more agreement. I had them reprogram it several times, but it never seemed quite right to me. I then bought the parts necassary for the liquid to air intercooler setup over the next few weeks, and when I had them all I called another vendor and bought an Xcalibrator2 flash tool from SCT. I had custom programming written for it all the way throughout. When it was in shipping (took several weeks) I installed the intercooler the day before it was to arrive. Now, I put down about 250HP and 320#TQ. You have to remember though, that my nav in stock for only put 162HP on the ground. I ended up with over 50% more HP than I started with. (and I use a real basic entry level blower, the powerdyne bd11a) Sure, I could ante up to a procharger or vortech or something else, but I am also at a huge disadvantage as I have a 98 model with has nonPI heads. Just changing the heads I have been told, would net me over 300RWHP. Even without them though, this big bad boy moves. I have to date eaten every import that has ever tried me, took out a dakota 5.9RT, and any pickup truck that has pulled up next to me. Now granted, this isn't a 9 second quarter vehicle, but it handles all it needs to seeing as its my wifes daily driver:D
 
stang99x said:
OK, well lets start numerically here

1) Fords are typical for crappy COP's. However, in 25K miles my aviator hasn't shat one yet. My Nav (98K miles) has shat two
2) The brake dust and flash aren't related. The poor off line performance probably is flash related. First, reflash and try again. If that doesn't work, your program isn't right for whatever reason. Who programmed it?
3) are you running the ac?

How many miles are on this bad boy?? I mean, you get a 4 year 50K mile warranty.

Now as for the blower. I bought the blower first, installed it and ran like that for a while. I already had a massive exhaust system on it, so it breathed rather freely. After a few weeks of becoming accustomed to it, (this is the first time I had ever installed one and I get picky about my work sometimes) I added 42# fuel injectors and a lighting 90MM MAF meter. This allowed me to remove the FMU (fuel management unit). (in case you don't know, the FMU changes the Air Fuel ratio to compensate for the increased fuel demand with the blower, my unit was a 12:1) I had a custom diablosport chip made for it at this point, which made everything talk to one another with more agreement. I had them reprogram it several times, but it never seemed quite right to me. I then bought the parts necassary for the liquid to air intercooler setup over the next few weeks, and when I had them all I called another vendor and bought an Xcalibrator2 flash tool from SCT. I had custom programming written for it all the way throughout. When it was in shipping (took several weeks) I installed the intercooler the day before it was to arrive. Now, I put down about 250HP and 320#TQ. You have to remember though, that my nav in stock for only put 162HP on the ground. I ended up with over 50% more HP than I started with. (and I use a real basic entry level blower, the powerdyne bd11a) Sure, I could ante up to a procharger or vortech or something else, but I am also at a huge disadvantage as I have a 98 model with has nonPI heads. Just changing the heads I have been told, would net me over 300RWHP. Even without them though, this big bad boy moves. I have to date eaten every import that has ever tried me, took out a dakota 5.9RT, and any pickup truck that has pulled up next to me. Now granted, this isn't a 9 second quarter vehicle, but it handles all it needs to seeing as its my wifes daily driver:D

wow seems like you are having the type of fun with your truck that I wish I was having lol....i understood most of what you said but somethings made me a little confused lol...anyway i have like 29,000 miles....the chip is also a custom programmed xcaliber2 and was programmed by fastpartsnetwork.com...and please tell me, is there anyway to stop the ignition coils from going??? and could the xcaliber do any damage to my avi??

oh yea and one more thing....first check my avi out at this link http://www.sounddomain.com/ride/2417219 ....would you take the range rover sport supercharged over my car? because i am heavily debating...but i did so much custom work i am unsure of what to do because i think my avi is very unique...ok let me know what you think...thanks
 
You know, as much of an auto enthusiast as I am, I have a real hard time focusing on the avi in those pictures. As a matter of a fact, I had to reload the page and go back cause I forgot to look at it.

Now, as for the COP's. If they keep going bad, and you keep having the dealship replace them, call lincoln's customer service line and complain. And if it contiues to happen, tell them you want to initiate a buyback. I don't have any experience with the tuner you used, but I do know a guy who can tune the F150 platform vehicles better than any other. My Navi is F150 platformed, but the Avi is not. You can try this guy if you'd like though.

www.troyerperformance.com

As for is the tuner causing the coils to die? I don't think so. There has to be a far deeper underlying issue there. I will tell you this though. All good tuners tell you that if you are under warranty and going in for service, reflash the computer back to original programming so they don't hassle you about it

As for the range rover, I'd take a 300K mile 1972 gremlin over it. Range rovers are rolling junk. Every customer I have ever had that got one just took a bath on it cause they hated them and wanted to get rid of it anyway possible.
 

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