The Global War on Terrorism

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In order to understand the Global War on Terror (GWOT) we must understand the intricacies of terrorism.

Terrorism and how it works

Terrorism requires a leader or group of leaders all of whom stand behind a certain political/religious/ethnic belief to conceal their true motives. These leaders require fanatical followers to carry out their plans, whatever they may be. For the most part the leaders of these organizations do not carry out these acts themselves, but rather, depend on the use of their followers to sacrifice/risk themselves and act as the proverbial “tip of the spear”. However, if we were to simply seek out the leaders of these organizations and remove them from influence there would be little effect because of the fluid nature of terrorism. The true way to extinguish the terrorist cause is to remove from these “leaders” their base of followers.

The followers of terrorist causes tend to come from two types of backgrounds. Most prominent of these two are poor, undereducated types who are willing to believe in almost anything to better their lives. The salvation promised by these terrorist leaders is almost narcotic in nature (not unlike Adolf Hitler did to post Versailles Germany). To a person with nothing to lose, the prospect of salvation through self-sacrifice is a powerful lever with which to manipulate a people. The other, and far less prominent, group of people come from middle to upper class families with average to above-average educations. These persons become involved in these types of organizations for two main reasons: religious or self-gratification. Religion has power over people in many ways and can even turn an otherwise reasonable person into a zealot if given the right influence at the right time. Other times however people in this group get involved due to the promise of power or riches. These people tend to not give their lives in attacks but rather perform them as a means to rise in influence of the organization.

Terrorism works because it attacks the core belief of our society: freedom from fear. It is well known by terrorist masterminds that attacks on military targets are largely shrugged off by the majority of the populace. The lack of public outcry from the attacks on the Marine barracks in Lebanon, Bombing of Air Force barracks in Dhahran (Saudi Arabia) and the bombing of the USS Cole prove this fact. The average citizen expects the military to face a certain amount of danger in their duties and therefore does not express a large amount of concern when they are attacked. However, if a civilian target is attacked, (Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in OKC) public outcry and fear are raised at an exponential rate. This is due to the belief that we are safe in our daily activities from such horrible acts. Any disruption in this principle causes a shockwave through our society and, quite often, results in the desired effect of the attacks.

GWOT…not just Bin Laden

Not long after the horrible acts of September 11th, the United States was forced to look at international terrorism and how to combat it. Quite actually, we had been at war with terrorists prior to this time however, until 9/11 it was not front page news. The world’s first response was outrage and this was evident with the counter attack on the supportive Afghani state and it’s Taliban regime. This highly effective campaign to destroy the terrorist training camps and oust a dictatorial leadership was seen by the world as just and watched by the people of this country with their approval. They saw the mission of this war as the capture of one man and his henchmen. However, this war spans the globe, involves billions of people and some countries that few know exist.

Humanitarian Aid

The United States is the largest contributor of foreign aid in world history. No other country has given so much as the American people. Entire countries are fed by her soil and stabilized by her strength. This generosity goes largely unnoticed by the majority of people worldwide…even those we feed. But, one of the missions of the GWOT is to put an American face on our kindness. As you read this, thousands of US military personnel are deployed around the world feeding, building, educating, stabilizing and providing much needed medical care to those in need. Not just in oil rich countries like Iraq and the rest of South West Asia, but in South America, South East Asia, Europe, Africa and the Pacific. These military men and women are fighting the war without firing a single round but rather with the warmth of the American heart. Because when you make a persons life better and give them hope, you provide a counter to the ideology of terrorism.

Iraq

The March 2003 invasion of Iraq was far less enthusiastically received by the world body politic. The requirement of people to see a concrete reason for the invasion of a sovereign nation led to the implication of continued use of WMD by the nation of Iraq. This was touted as the primary reason for action and, quite unfortunately, was never sufficiently proved after the fact. Although the world saw this as a failure of the current administration (even seen as an outright lie by some), very few have notice the huge opportunity presented by a free Iraq in an area dominated by totalitarian regimes.

Hope is a powerful weapon in this war and can be used to better the lives of people all over the Pan-Arab world and beyond. The success of a Democratic Iraq would fuel pro-democratic sentiment across the world by showing what can be gained from such policies. It has always been fact that a country stands to have more success in reform if the people of that country rise up and, with stoic determination, break the chains of bondage that have been forced upon them for so long. If Iraq prospers in her freedom she will be an example to others in the area. Soon the people of the surrounding area will be filled with hope and the desire to be free. Because no government can stand up to the desire of their people the dictatorial governments will fall like dominoes and freedom will ring throughout the land.

This is the mission of the GWOT. Not just destruction and punishment…but hope.

May God bless the rest of the world as we have been blessed…and may the light of freedom never extinguish…but spread to every corner of the globe.
 
Steve,

That was clear and concise and reflects my views except for the fact that the only way that we will see regime change in the middle-east is by force. Kindness just doesn't seem to work in that part of the world. That was proven in Afghanastan and Iraq. The more force we use, the higher the level of terrorism. That's just fact. Therein lies the problem.

Groovin8 pointed out that followers of the Quran have a distorted view of the world, hence, far less likely to embrace Democracy. When something is force-fed to you you are less likely to want it. Isn't that just human nature?

Rather than a military solution there should be an uprising of Muslims that can infiltrate the organizations of the big-wigs that are funding and organizing these horrendous acts. The Muslim people must reject violence to live in peace. We must do the same.

I have come to realize that GWB has one thing right. We need to fight terrorism there before it his home as it did in London two weeks ago and again today. I just think that military action might be better displaced by superior intelligence.

The hope that I have is that those at both end of our political spectrum can come together and try your way. I think hope is the catalyst that is needed by all involved.
 
barry2952 said:
I think hope is the catalyst that is needed by all involved.
You did real well up until that last line. 'Hope' doesn't do diddly. Actions do. People can sit there and hope all they want and nothing will happen until people get off their butts and 'do' instead of 'hope' something about it.
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I'm sorry you misunderstood my statement. I clearly said that action is needed. Without hope, nothing will work.
 
Well, hoping doesn't do squat. However, hope can give a people the strength to overcome adversity. I truly believe that the majority of people are good, just and desire to be free to live their lives. Hope can ignite a nation of people to stand up to their oppressors and fight for their freedom.

Hope can bring pride...pride in ones self and pride in one's country. There will come a time when Iraqi's and Afghani’s and Saudi's and Iranians realize that it is Their country, and it's about time they took it back.
 
I agree with both of you. People need HOPE but they also need the tools to take ACTION. But you are correct, action without hope is the same as hope without action.
 
barry2952 said:
Kindness just doesn't seem to work in that part of the world. That was proven in Afghanastan and Iraq. The more force we use, the higher the level of terrorism. That's just fact.

You make no sense when you say that. You are always preaching that we reason with terrorists. Now you contradict yourself. But in so doing you suggest that 9/11 wasn't provoked. What you say doesn't support the facts and history.

We weren't exerting military force anywhere when bin Laden attacked us. We weren't exerting force when Japan attacked in '41. We weren't exerting force while the German subs were sinking our ships in '40. We weren't attacking anybody when North Korea, the Chinese proxy, invaded South Korea. Time and time again we have been attacked without provocation over the course of history, and I can't blame Bush for wanting to take the offensive. It's time we showed the world we have guts, especially after 8 spineless years of Clinton and Madeline Albright. Nobody took us seriously after that sniveling bunch.

Better that the world be a little afraid and cautious around us than that they think they can just fire shots at us with impunity (see dictionary).
 
Just in case you didn't know who the enemy is...

Attacks on UK will continue, radical cleric says

[size=-1]By Gideon Long
Reuters
Friday, July 22, 2005; 10:57 AM[/size]

[snip]
Bakri, a Syrian-born cleric who has been vilified in Britain since 2001 when he praised the September 11 hijackers, said he did not believe the bombings and attempted attacks on London were carried out by British Muslims.
He condemned the killing of all innocent civilians but described attacks on British and U.S. troops in Muslim countries as "pro-life" and justified.

In an interview with Reuters, Bakri described Osama bin Laden, leader of the radical Islamist network al Qaeda, as "a sincere man who fights against evil forces."

Bakri said he would like Britain to become an Islamic state but feared he would be deported before his dream was realized.

"I would like to see the Islamic flag fly, not only over number 10 Downing Street, but over the whole world," he said.
 
MonsterMark said:
Attacks on UK will continue, radical cleric says

[size=-1]By Gideon Long
Reuters
Friday, July 22, 2005; 10:57 AM[/size]

[snip]
Bakri, a Syrian-born cleric who has been vilified in Britain since 2001 when he praised the September 11 hijackers, said he did not believe the bombings and attempted attacks on London were carried out by British Muslims.
He condemned the killing of all innocent civilians but described attacks on British and U.S. troops in Muslim countries as "pro-life" and justified.

In an interview with Reuters, Bakri described Osama bin Laden, leader of the radical Islamist network al Qaeda, as "a sincere man who fights against evil forces."

Bakri said he would like Britain to become an Islamic state but feared he would be deported before his dream was realized.

"I would like to see the Islamic flag fly, not only over number 10 Downing Street, but over the whole world," he said.

Syrian, NOT Iraqi, Syrian.
:waving:
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
Syrian, NOT Iraqi, Syrian.
:waving:

OFF TOPIC

Ehm...if you're trying to twist this thread into an anti-Iraq war thread, your point sadly falls to the floor. This thread is about how to deal with terrorism, not whether or not we should be in Iraq.

A terrorist is a terrorist. I would think that you enlightened libs wouldn't be so prone to racial profiling.

If that's not what you meant, then your point is meaningless and irrelevant.
 
fossten said:
OFF TOPIC

Ehm...if you're trying to twist this thread into an anti-Iraq war thread, your point sadly falls to the floor. This thread is about how to deal with terrorism, not whether or not we should be in Iraq.

A terrorist is a terrorist. I would think that you enlightened libs wouldn't be so prone to racial profiling.

If that's not what you meant, then your point is meaningless and irrelevant.

Bryan's post was sub-titled "Just in case you didn't know who the enemy is... ", I was just elaborating on who the enemy is NOT, while suggesting that our resources on the GWOT could have been more effectively directed. No attempt of twisting was intended.
 
You're right Johnny. He is Syrian and not Iraqi. That is another troublespot that needs to be dealt with one way or another.

However my inital post was meant to show that, irregardless of why we went into Iraq, we are presented with a huge opportunity to assist those people in that part of the world through a policy of osmotic freedom. There are several ways to fight this scourge of global terrorism. I just wanted to point out that there are many, many things going on that recieve little attention but are just as effective as military intervention.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
Bryan's post was sub-titled "Just in case you didn't know who the enemy is... ", I was just elaborating on who the enemy is NOT, while suggesting that our resources on the GWOT could have been more effectively directed. No attempt of twisting was intended.

You're right. The enemy is most certainly NOT Iraq, now that we've freed its people. Now, can we get back on topic?
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
Syrian, NOT Iraqi, Syrian.
:waving:
Syrian born, NOT raised in Syria. Heck, if I was born is Wisconsin but was raised in an african village of headhunters, would I be more apt to have a cheesehead hat on my head or a ring thru my nose? Hummm.

I watched a special on 'base-jumpers' the other day. These guys go all over the world and jump off anything/everything they can. Pretty cool lifestyle except for that 1 mistake. Anyway, they travelled to Iran, and went into Tehran, into the mountains around Tehran to make a jump. Up there are thousands of Iranian kids wearing snowsuits and donning snow boards and all the latest apparel. Could have been a video coming from Aspen. All these kids want to do is have fun. They weren't up there to plot the latest bomb attack.

I read all the time the inroads to Democracy that the youth movement in Iran is making. And considering over 50% of the population is younger that 25, it is important to notice what is going on. These kids are embracing democracy. They want to drink Coca Cola and wear Levi's. They want to listen to hiphop and all that. The reason I bring this up is because Iraq used to be the democratic mecca. The place where middle-eastern art and culture was born. That is why it is so important for us to re-lay the seeds of Democracy and as Barry would say: 'Give them Hope'.

The terrorists are making a terrible mistake by bombing places like Egypt and even Spain last week; (oh,wait, I thought Spain pulled out of Iraq, so therefore they were supposed to be off limits, according to liberal train of thought); anywho, the bad guys should just stick to the USA and Britain for their attacks or they risk bringing the rest of the world to our side in the battle against global terror.

Btw, the base jumping dudes put on one of those 'flying bat suits' and made the longest base jump in history, 41 seconds. Totally cool and definitely something I would like to do before I die. The guy flew so far it was unreal.
 
Wasn't Spain's bombings due to "home grown terrorists" of the Basque persuasion? Are they Islamic?

I think their biggest mistake is hitting Arab targets like Egypt.
 
barry2952 said:
Wasn't Spain's bombings due to "home grown terrorists" of the Basque persuasion? Are they Islamic?

I think their biggest mistake is hitting Arab targets like Egypt.

No, their BIGGEST mistake is

F:q :q :q :q :q :q with the U.S. of A. b/c

we'll wipe the ground

with their A:q :q :q :q !

But I do recognize the liberal tendency to attempt to resolve EVERYTHING with some sort of political thought and NEVER military force. Closet Pacifism.
 
barry2952 said:
Rather than a military solution there should be an uprising of Muslims that can infiltrate the organizations of the big-wigs that are funding and organizing these horrendous acts. The Muslim people must reject violence to live in peace. We must do the same.
its not a bad idea at all!! we hope (heh heh) that after the initial force to implement democracy, help install education... that they (arabs) will take the ball and vote in better politicians... and maybe one day reject or reform islam to be completely peacful, extending love towards their brothers in the world (as the US is trying to do) and stop calling us "infidels".

fossten said:
But I do recognize the liberal tendency to attempt to resolve EVERYTHING with some sort of political thought and NEVER military force. Closet Pacifism.

I also recognize the extreme rights tendency to be militant and do everything by force!! that doesnt usually work either. remember the difference between ML King and Malcom X? ML King (a christain) was much more effective at mobilize blacks to make a difference through peace. Along came Malcom X (a fresh and fired up muslim) and now we have reverse racism which has undone much of what ML King has done. Also remember that Ghandis ways of pacifism were also effective, and Ghandi rebuked his hindu brothers who acted out in violence because it did nothing but escalate the level of violence between the hindus and muslims solving nothing. maybe for most issues there is a middle road where pacifism is necessary to lead (by example), and military force should be reserved for when all else fails. If ya want to set an example that others will actually follow, ya gotta lead by living your example, not forcing it.
 
barry2952 said:
I concur. Are you going centrist on us?
heh he... nah! dont be tellin everyone that!!!! :p but yeah in some ways there should be a middle ground that involves unwavering resolve but through peaceful action. There are things to be learned from both schools of thought. Just as the left is moving further left and abandoning the middle ground, much of the right is moving to far right and both are becoming militant on both sides. This extreme polarization could lead to another civil war. a house divided against itself can not stand.
I dont agree with politicians adopting the "other side's" views during elections just to get votes... and i dont agree with both sides becoming more polarized out of anger and hatred for the other side.
when it comes to morals in govt legislation -- issues like homo marriage, abortion, big govt, property rights, immigration, euthanasia, education, etc -- im far right. when it comes to actually solving problems between the polarization of militant lefties and righties... the middle ground is the walk of the ones who can actually make a difference. kill em with kindness. hostility only futher separates us.
 
FreeFaller said:
You're right Johnny. He is Syrian and not Iraqi. That is another troublespot that needs to be dealt with one way or another.

However my inital post was meant to show that, irregardless of why we went into Iraq, we are presented with a huge opportunity to assist those people in that part of the world through a policy of osmotic freedom. There are several ways to fight this scourge of global terrorism. I just wanted to point out that there are many, many things going on that recieve little attention but are just as effective as military intervention.

:I wholeheartedly. But the fact that the new Iraqi government is planning on officially adopting Islam (that religion that teaches violence against us "infidels") gives me serious doubt as to our success. Iraq is a huge gamble, I can only pray that it works out in our favor.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
:I wholeheartedly. But the fact that the new Iraqi government is planning on officially adopting Islam (that religion that teaches violence against us "infidels") gives me serious doubt as to our success. Iraq is a huge gamble, I can only pray that it works out in our favor.
yeah... in the grand scheme of things... i think we are "buying time". we have yet to see the doodoo really hit the fan. maybe it wont happen for another 20, 50, or 100 years... but what the world is headed for aint pretty at all! and i think it is inevitable. im not a gloom doomsday doomer but i do think armageddon is around the corner.
 
Gruuvin8 said:
I also recognize the extreme rights tendency to be militant and do everything by force!! that doesnt usually work either. remember the difference between ML King and Malcom X? ML King (a christain) was much more effective at mobilize blacks to make a difference through peace. Along came Malcom X (a fresh and fired up muslim) and now we have reverse racism which has undone much of what ML King has done. Also remember that Ghandis ways of pacifism were also effective, and Ghandi rebuked his hindu brothers who acted out in violence because it did nothing but escalate the level of violence between the hindus and muslims solving nothing. maybe for most issues there is a middle road where pacifism is necessary to lead (by example), and military force should be reserved for when all else fails. If ya want to set an example that others will actually follow, ya gotta lead by living your example, not forcing it.

Gruuvin8 said:
heh he... nah! dont be tellin everyone that!!!! :p but yeah in some ways there should be a middle ground that involves unwavering resolve but through peaceful action. There are things to be learned from both schools of thought. Just as the left is moving further left and abandoning the middle ground, much of the right is moving to far right and both are becoming militant on both sides. This extreme polarization could lead to another civil war. a house divided against itself can not stand.
I dont agree with politicians adopting the "other side's" views during elections just to get votes... and i dont agree with both sides becoming more polarized out of anger and hatred for the other side.
when it comes to morals in govt legislation -- issues like homo marriage, abortion, big govt, property rights, immigration, euthanasia, education, etc -- im far right. when it comes to actually solving problems between the polarization of militant lefties and righties... the middle ground is the walk of the ones who can actually make a difference. kill em with kindness. hostility only futher separates us.

:eek2: Is this the same guy that started off here calling me "JohnnyFOOLS"?? If so, I didn't think I'd ever see the day we'd see eye to eye like this. :Beer
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
:eek2: Is this the same guy that started off here calling me "JohnnyFOOLS"?? If so, I didn't think I'd ever see the day we'd see eye to eye like this. :Beer
neither did I... and check this.... im sorry i was such an arsewipe... that just is not the way to enjoy this forum and learn. im changin :Beer
 

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