The I.R.S. purchasing shotguns

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The I.R.S. purchasing shotguns

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

Submit quotes including 11% Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax (FAET) and shipping to Washington DC.
 
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The I.R.S. purchasing shotguns

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

Submit quotes including 11% Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax (FAET) and shipping to Washington DC.

Just how did you find this out?
 
Is it a coincidence that the IRS is tasked with enforcing the individual mandate in Obamacare?
 
Maybe this is a sign of things to come. If the government agencies are buying shotguns, so should you. I already own one shotgun and a .40 cal, maybe that's not enough.
 
After basic home defense and such, I'd suggest that you guys invest the first $50 into books and enrichment. Wrap yourself in the philosophy of our constitution. It's a fascinating document, but that's just not taught anymore. And then teach everyone around you.

If we don't all stand for something specific and clearly, and know why, we can really fall for anything in difficult times.

The language is a little rough, but just reading the federalist/anti-federalist papers is better than a 4 year degree.
 
After basic home defense and such, I'd suggest that you guys invest the first $50 into books and enrichment. Wrap yourself in the philosophy of our constitution. It's a fascinating document, but that's just not taught anymore. And then teach everyone around you.

If we don't all stand for something specific and clearly, and know why, we can really fall for anything in difficult times.

The language is a little rough, but just reading the federalist/anti-federalist papers is better than a 4 year degree.
Cal, if we don't know how to reach people at their emotional levels, they'll never be persuaded. That's how liberals succeed - soundbytes and appeals to emotion. You try quoting the Constitution to a sheeple out there, he'll look at you like you're from Mars. I'm speaking from experience.

Half the country doesn't even know how many SCOTUS justices there are.
 
Half the country doesn't even know how many SCOTUS justices there are.

I think less. Use google and type "how many s" and the top result that pops up is "how many states in usa " Seriously, if people don't know how many states there are then how do you expect then to know that there are 9 SCOTUS justices there are. This is a problem and the education system is failing us, but the problem isn't that they don't have enough money, at least not in California. Don't believe the news, California spends more then enough on education, but they don't spend it wisely. Sound familiar?
 
Cal, if we don't know how to reach people at their emotional levels, they'll never be persuaded. That's how liberals succeed - soundbytes and appeals to emotion. You try quoting the Constitution to a sheeple out there, he'll look at you like you're from Mars. I'm speaking from experience.

People can quote the constitution and still not understand it.
Quoting the constitution isn't what I'm talking about.

But if making an emotional appeal, do it with a full understanding and passion for the founding documents and how they were debated and created.

And THEN, maybe those people who are reached with the appeal will become inspired enough to read delve deeper and develop that understanding.

Half the country doesn't even know how many SCOTUS justices there are.
I know. But everyone needs to have a philosophical foundation because ultimately that 's what all of this is about.

The healthcare bill isn't bad because "it'll bankrupt medicare." Or it's expensive.

It's bad because it's a gross violation of the founding documents.
It's wrong because it's an example of the government granting us rights and limiting our liberty.

And I think that might be one of the problems with Republicans.
They've abandoned the constitutional philosophy (something Reagan understood) and have just approached it as a small government pragmatic approach. Many times, a compromise position from the big government social democrats.
 
The reason Washington disregards the Constitution is because there is no incentive for 'them' to obey it. It has no teeth.

Ultimately, people will always act in their own best interests. If there is no perceived consequence for disobeying or even subverting the Constitution, a larger number of corrupt, evil people will seize power through lies and deceit, and then transform our country through travesties such as HCR.

Either the Constitution needs to be amended to have consequences specifically designed for those in power who disobey it, or it needs to be rewritten. As it stands right now, the Congress, Executive, and Judicial branches are all on the same side - the Federal Government. Ultimately, there is no real incentive for the government to obey the people. We've even seen freshman Republicans and even 'conservative' SCOTUS justices corrupted by Washington. The get invited to parties, get articles written about them, they discover how Washington really works with all its corruption and special interests, and they get corrupted.

The whole system needs to be revamped.
 
The reason Washington disregards the Constitution is because there is no incentive for 'them' to obey it. It has no teeth.

Ultimately, people will always act in their own best interests. If there is no perceived consequence for disobeying or even subverting the Constitution, a larger number of corrupt, evil people will seize power through lies and deceit, and then transform our country through travesties such as HCR.

You're right on the first point, politicians are more inclined to disregard the constitution because doing so is a consequence free decision.
But that's because people don't understand civics. They don't understand what the role of federal government is.

People vote for their best interest, but how do you define that.
Personal, I don't think that it's in my best interest to support policies the erode my personal liberty in exchange for voting myself a salary. But I have a value system and a philosophical foundation that reinforces that.

Either the Constitution needs to be amended to have consequences specifically designed for those in power who disobey it, or it needs to be rewritten.
No. The people need to understand it.
The people, the voters, are the consequence.

As it stands right now....- the Federal Government.
That's what happens after a century of effort to accomplish a national system with centralized power.

Ultimately, there is no real incentive for the government to obey the people.
It's still a representative form of government... but the public has generally become apathetic and oblivious to issues regarding Americanism and civics.

We've even seen freshman Republicans and even 'conservative' SCOTUS justices corrupted by Washington.
And that can be address, or amended.

First, increase the number of House members. 1 member per 700,000+/- citizens is insufficient. And in doing so, radically cut their budgets and eliminate their D.C. offices forcing them to spend time in their districts. They can vote by computer on 95% of issues.

Second, repeal the 17th amendment.
States have no representation in government right now.

Third, pass the Enumerate Powers Act. That would would require each Act of Congress contains an explanation of the specific constitutional authority necessary for Congress to enact it.

There has been a concerted effort to marginalize and redefine the constitution and the founding principles.

It's not because the constitution is flawed, but people have corrupted it.

To quote Benjamin Franklin... and this is a critically important quote:


In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, — if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.

Speech to the Constitutional Convention (1787-06-28)

The system wasn't the problem, the people became corrupt.

The whole system needs to be revamped.
No, we need to restore the system we were given.
You can't recreate the founding again.

And when things go bad, it's critical that collectively we have a system to embrace and apply. Divided, there's no chance for this country.
 
You're right on the first point, politicians are more inclined to disregard the constitution because doing so is a consequence free decision.
But that's because people don't understand civics. They don't understand what the role of federal government is.
No, it's not. It's because there ARE NO CONSEQUENCES. When you refer to 'people', I assume you mean the voters. There is, right now, a crystal clear disconnect between the voters and the rulers. The problem now is that even a renewed emphasis on civics won't remove the rulers from power.

I guess you really don't understand my point after all.

The horse has already escaped the barn. The people of this country are heavily opposed to Obamacare, so they're not totally ignorant. But Washington doesn't care. We're already living in tyranny. Voting and educating the people won't change this. To emphasize - Congress DOES NOT FEAR THE VOTERS.

Do you think that educating the North Korean citizens would help change their government?
People vote for their best interest, but how do you define that.
Personal, I don't think that it's in my best interest to support policies the erode my personal liberty in exchange for voting myself a salary. But I have a value system and a philosophical foundation that reinforces that.
You are the exception. Most people vote their jobs or what they hear on TV. Republicans bad, Democrats care. Blah blah blah.

But I'm not talking about voting. I'm talking about the people in power. THEY will do what's in their best interest. If it doesn't scare them to disobey the Constitution, they will. You're really not paying attention to what I'm saying.
No. The people need to understand it.
The people, the voters, are the consequence.
Re-asserting without actually constructing an argument isn't effective. At this point it doesn't matter how much the people understand. We're very close to the tipping point of 50.1% of the people being on the government dole. When that happens, it's over. Period.
That's what happens after a century of effort to accomplish a national system with centralized power.
Which takes me back to my original point - you have to de-incentivize government from doing this. There is nothing, repeat NOTHING in place to do this. They don't care about our votes. They know that once Obamacare is entrenched, a couple of election cycles won't matter. It will be impossible to repeal. Then you can count on tens of millions of people easily frightened by the eeeevil Rethuglikkkans who want to take away their healthcare.

Not to mention those who are behind the 'century of effort' won't go quietly and say, 'Well we gave it a good shot and it was nice for a few months, but I guess the people are awake now, so let's just pack up and go home.'

It's still a representative form of government... but the public has generally become apathetic and oblivious to issues regarding Americanism and civics.
And as long as you have a media that is intent on keeping them uninformed, the public will remain this way. But again, the Tea Parties are an example that defies your statement. Nevertheless, Congress and the WH do not care. They have what they came for. It's too late.

And that can be address, or amended.

First, increase the number of House members. 1 member per 700,000+/- citizens is insufficient. And in doing so, radically cut their budgets and eliminate their D.C. offices forcing them to spend time in their districts. They can vote by computer on 95% of issues.
Who's going to do that? The Democrats? No. The Republicans? Not likely, they're squishy when in power and p*ssies when not in power. Besides, the President will simply veto anything passed that tries to do this. In 1994 Newt tried to cut budgets and they ran him out of town on a rail. Unless you remove the tentacles behind the throne, such as Soros and his puppetmasters, there is too much power to deal with.

Second, repeal the 17th amendment.
States have no representation in government right now.
Uh...yeah right. Repealing an amendment. Why is that so feasible to you but amending the Constitution is not? I won't even bother to construct an argument about how impossible that would be. Washington deliberately giving up power? Hell, let's go for the FairTax while we're at it.

Third, pass the Enumerate Powers Act. That would would require each Act of Congress contains an explanation of the specific constitutional authority necessary for Congress to enact it.
Oh great, so let's just walk up to the Democrats and Obama and ask nicely. Maybe that will work.
There has been a concerted effort to marginalize and redefine the constitution and the founding principles.

It's not because the constitution is flawed, but people have corrupted it.
I won't address your 'flawed' argument - Ben Franklin in your quote below admits it's flawed.

I'd argue that people have flatly disregarded it, which brings me back to my original point...NO CONSEQUENCES.

To quote Benjamin Franklin... and this is a critically important quote:

In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, — if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.

Speech to the Constitutional Convention (1787-06-28)


The system wasn't the problem, the people became corrupt.
I've got news for you - you're not going to de-corrupt the people by teaching them about liberty and the Constitution. People react to crises. It will take a huge calamity to wake people up, and even that might not work. You might want to review Asimov's Foundation and consider psychohistory. Despite being fiction, there is something to take from it.
No, we need to restore the system we were given.
You can't recreate the founding again.

And when things go bad, it's critical that collectively we have a system to embrace and apply. Divided, there's no chance for this country.
First you say the problem is that the people became corrupt, and the system wasn't the problem. Then you say we need to restore the system. Make up your mind. You're contradicting yourself.

The fact is that the laziness and interdependence of our society combined with opulence and leisure contributed to a nation that is more interested in comfort than in liberty. Enter a few commies and a media devoted to communism, and you get what we've gotten in just a few short decades. You're not going to simply cut that part out of people like you'd remove a cancerous tumor. You've got a better chance going back to the gold standard.
 

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