This board's changed. It was inevitable with time. I rembember guys tallying up over 50 thousand dollars in their marks, not even supercharged. Who's here now that can say that? Cars are old, and alot of the enthusiasts frequenting here have their mark because they were cheap to acquire. I really noticed this when I was talking about a 4k dollar set of wheels. Some people are here because they really love the car. Most are here because it's what they can afford. The guys you speak of loved their car. Whether or not they could afford what they did to them was absolutely irrelevant. It's a different place now, No reason for those guys to stick around even if they stuck with their marks. Hell Geno wouldn't be here prob if he didn't still sell stuff. I wouldn't blame 'em. Ray was slowing down but still stuck around every so often until he passed away. I bet some of the old schoolers still lurk once in awhile without ever logging in. I wasn't even in that group of guys and if I wasn't so bored right now waiting on a job I prob would forget about the place. Hell I did once I've only been around again recently. But seriously, when you open a thread, look at join dates. I bet most are within the last 3 years. When the cars were cheap to buy and people started really noticing. When I bought my last mark it booked for 12k still and I was a newbie compared to 95% of the people here. There use to be polls about what people did for a profession that owned a mark and most were majoring in law or engineering or crap like that. I feel like I'm just getting to know people here again as if I'm a newbie again, cause I am. And sometimes my attitude sucks because of it. I wish those guys were still around. They had a whole different ambition level, they were different enthusiasts, they didn't talk about dumb crap, they were fun. I talk about doing crazy things to my car, and I think I'm having an epiphany here as I type this. Anybody who wants to do something crazy to their mark still pretty much gets shot down by all the f'g idiots here. "you could buy 4 marks for as much as you would spend on that" wtf?!? It kills ambition!! I contemplate selling my car somedays after logging off this board. There use to be alot of cool guys here who did cool things. Agh!!! I should log off and do my car the way I want and forget this place ever existed. I think you just reminded me with those pictures, this is not the place I joined to be a part of!!