Time Poll: 52% to 41%

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Well, based on the latest poll numbers, Bush leads 52% to 41%.

Based on what we have seen in Belsan, Russia, 41% of the people in this country still need to wake up. Children, children, were murdered in cold blood. Don't think that can happen here? Guess again.

I know the argument. The murderers attacked Russia because they supported us in Iraq. Oops, guess again. Russia stayed out. Chechan rebels looking to over -throw the elections and funded by Al Qaeda seems more likely.

Some will say that George Bush did this to get Russia involved in the war on terror. After all, Bush knew about the attacks on the World Trade Center and did nothing to stop it.

This country needs to come together now more than ever. Get behind THIS President who has shown he can lead in this very dangerous time.

People are caught every day photographing and videotaping buildings, bridges, chemical and power plants. Another hit is coming. Are we going to wait for it or are we going to take them out first?

Just saw the first MOB ad. MOB, great name. Mothers Opposing Bush. Real nice. Why doesn't Kerry come out and condemn these people? We all know that answer.
 
Yeah, war on terror with new people?

George Bush’s national security team was absent in NYC,
and might not make it to a second term either



And whats our VP been up to?
Kerry rips Cheney's Vietnam deferments
Dem takes off the gloves on Halliburton, Saudis, more



and this only affects about 40 million americans

Medicare Premiums to Take Highest Leap Ever



And before you start telling me about how the economy is doing good........here are a few clips........


"Average hourly wages rose 5 cents to $15.77. Over the last 12 months average hourly wages have risen 2.3 percent, not keeping pace with the rate of inflation."


"You need about 150,000 new jobs a month to keep even with growth in population," he said. "Taken in proper context, it's just not a very good record."


"The outlook remains poor," said University of Maryland Business School professor Peter Morici. "Production cutbacks at Ford and GM, mediocre personal income growth and record trade deficits all bode poorly for economic growth and jobs creation."

GW is not doing all that great a job bryan......... I dont know if Kerry will do better, but I doubt he can do much worse...... What happened to all that tough talk about GW's buddy Kenneth Lay? WHere is that toughness now?

400,000 people showed up to protest at the RNC --- Are you kidding me???? Holy cripe! thats alot of unhappy people who should all be thrilled with GW if he's perceived as keeping us safe, their at ground zero after all.

GW couldnt bring the country together in the last 3 years -- what makes you think he can do so in the next 4? The country is still violently divided - and will stay like that til he's out of office at least.
 
Joeychgo said:
Yeah, war on terror with new people?George Bush’s national security team was absent in NYC,and might not make it to a second term either
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The Secretary of State must always remain impartial and never shows up to a convention. Condi Rice had no need to be there and what would it have served to have Rumsfield there? Why would the US government put all their eggs in one basket? I didn't even think it was appropriate to have Bush and Cheney in the same building at the same time.



Joeychgo said:
And whats our VP been up to?
Kerry rips Cheney's Vietnam deferments
Dem takes off the gloves on Halliburton, Saudis, more
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You seem to forget that Kerry also asked for a deferment to go to Paris but was turned down.

Joeychgo said:
and this only affects about 40 million americans
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Do I need to quote the statistics that showed that Bill Clinton did nothing to increase the numbers of people receiving insurance, IN 8 YEARS? And if we have so many uninsured, why do we have the government medical program for the uninsured that even takes care of illegal aliens?

Joeychgo said:
"You need about 150,000 new jobs a month to keep even with growth in population," he said. "Taken in proper context, it's just not a very good record."
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Lets see, they revised the numbers up 50,000 in July and August showed an increase of 144,000. Forecasts that I have seen call for an increase of between 150,000-200,000 for the next 6 to 12 months. I have to laugh because a year ago, Kerry was talking about the loss of 3 million jobs. Now he down to talking less than 1 million, but now reframes it say 2,000,000 manufacturing jobs. All politics. Entry level production jobs are gone baby gone. Never to come back to this country.

"Democrats said the president's rosy analysis hides the fact that 1.7 million private-sector jobs have disappeared since Bush's election in 2000, a figure that falls closer to 900,000 when all jobs are considered."

I am sure Kerry would like to step in and then on his 1st day in office, he can claim that he is creating all these jobs. LMAO.

Joeychgo said:
"The outlook remains poor," said University of Maryland Business School professor Peter Morici. "Production cutbacks at Ford and GM, mediocre personal income growth and record trade deficits all bode poorly for economic growth and jobs creation."
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I love how the media runs around and interviews these professors, many of which have never run a company of their own. I should take some time and look into this guy to prove my point.

Joeychgo said:
400,000 people showed up to protest at the RNC --- Are you kidding me???? Holy cripe! thats alot of unhappy people who should all be thrilled with GW if he's perceived as keeping us safe, their at ground zero after all.
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Wildly exaggerated number from what I hear. And the surveys that Chris Matthews did showed that 80% were from the immediate region around New York City. Looks like these people were bored and were looking for something unconstructive to do.
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Joeychgo said:
GW couldnt bring the country together in the last 3 years -- what makes you think he can do so in the next 4? The country is still violently divided - and will stay like that til he's out of office at least.
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If you think that 52% of the country would come together to support an admitted war criminal and traitor as president, you are sadly mistaken. Kerry would be even more divisive than Bush. I would argue the divisiveness started with Bill Clinton in office and was manifest in the Al Gore election BEFORE anybody knew how evil President George Bush was. :F
 
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I only have a couple of things to add. The first is a line from the article that Joey linked about Medicare that said "on net, Medicare recipients are saving money."

Also, the size of the protest group was mainly due to the location of the convention. I wonder how big the protest group would have been if the DNC was in Dallas? The republicans showed a lot of guts to go to New York. I originally thought it was a mistake, but I've since changed my mind.

I also must take exception to Joey's opinion that the country is "violently divided" and will stay that way til GW's voted out. As much as you like polls, Joey, surely you know how fickle the population is by tracking presidential approval ratings. From 50% or so to 80% back to 50%, and that's just GW, not to mention previous presidents. I also believe the "violently divided" term is an over-statement based on a few extreme protestors, and not on the populace as a whole.
 
Kbob said:
I only have a couple of things to add. The first is a line from the article that Joey linked about Medicare that said "on net, Medicare recipients are saving money."

Also, the size of the protest group was mainly due to the location of the convention. I wonder how big the protest group would have been if the DNC was in Dallas? The republicans showed a lot of guts to go to New York. I originally thought it was a mistake, but I've since changed my mind.

I also must take exception to Joey's opinion that the country is "violently divided" and will stay that way til GW's voted out. As much as you like polls, Joey, surely you know how fickle the population is by tracking presidential approval ratings. From 50% or so to 80% back to 50%, and that's just GW, not to mention previous presidents. I also believe the "violently divided" term is an over-statement based on a few extreme protestors, and not on the populace as a whole.
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Violently divided might have been a bit strong.... But the reality is most people in this country think one candidate or another is a whack job. 400,000 people dont show up to protest because they were bored that day. GW barely made it in 2000 (lost the pop vote actually)

And NY - what guts? thats Guilani's turf..... NY is the place MOST affected and most concerned with terror. If GW is doing this great job with terror, shouldnt they be pleased?
 
Hey Joey,

Did you hear that they found 46,000 voters in Florida that were registered Democrats up in New York. Looks like the snow birds found a way to circumvent the system.

Working on cross-referencing the names as we speak...as Drudge says...developing.
 
Joeychgo said:
And NY - what guts? thats Guilani's turf..... NY is the place MOST affected and most concerned with terror. If GW is doing this great job with terror, shouldnt they be pleased?
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Ok. Somebody please explain to me how New York has a Republican Governor and a Republican Mayor? And then they have Hillary? What gives!
 
Newsweek Poll...Look for Busk's numbers to climb further still.

Two-Way Trial Heat
Total.........................Bush....Kerry... Other

Current Total..............54...... 43.........3.....=....100

Thursday interviews.....52.......46........2......=....100
Friday interviews......56.......40.......4......=....100
 
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The news gets worse for Dems.

The only problem I have with this is things are moving too quickly and there still might be time for the Dems to get a new candidate in the running. But, thankfully, Kerry is the kindof guy that will go down with his ship.


SurveyUSA: Momentum Shifts to Bush; Big GOP Bounce After RNC Convention

VERONA, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 3, 2004--The number of Americans who think George W. Bush will be re-elected in November has suddenly jumped 10 to 20 points in dozens of cities around the country, according to SurveyUSA tracking polls conducted before, during and after the Democratic and Republican National Conventions.

SurveyUSA has been asking respondents not who they will vote for, but rather: who they think will win the presidential election in November. This question is more sensitive to changes in sentiment, and is designed to capture "momentum" swings more precisely than preference questions asked of likely voters. Tracking polls released today, 9/3/04, the day after the Republican National Convention ended, show sizeable swings in the public consciousness.

Examples:

-- In New York City, the number of adults who say Bush will win jumped from 39% on 7/22 (the week before the DNC) to 58% today: 19 points up for Bush, 17 points down for Kerry.

-- In Los Angeles, the number who say Bush will win jumped from 38% on 7/22 to 59% today: 21 points up for Bush, 18 points down for Kerry.

-- In Pittsburgh, Bush went from 44% to 64%: 20 points up for Bush, 19 points down for Kerry.

Each poll was conducted of an entire metropolitan area, known as a TV market, and defined by Nielsen Media Research as the "Designated Market Area" (DMA). In no metropolitan area, in any part of the country, did Kerry's numbers go up. Four separate polls of 500 adults each were conducted in 30 TV markets and in 2 states. (128 discrete pieces of opinion research; 64,000 separate telephone interviews.) Each survey has a sampling error of plus or minus 4.5%.

The polls were conducted:

-- 7/22/04: The week before the DNC

-- 7/30/04: The day after Kerry's acceptance speech

-- 8/26/04: The week before the RNC

-- 9/3/04: The day after Bush's acceptance speech.

"The Democrats are eviscerated," says Jay H. Leve, Editor of SurveyUSA. "Even in the most solidly Democratic corners of this country, a majority of adults suddenly believe that George W. Bush will win in November."


Anybody remember how the Democrats explained their lack of bounce after the Dem Convention on the supposition that all the voters had made up their minds. Guess not!
 
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Kbob said:
I agree with your poll quote.
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Polls do suck. That is why the liberal media uses them so much. They are used to control the uneducated into voting for their candidate. See, look, John Kerry is in the lead, so vote for him. But when the libs are behind in the polls, page 8 story. In front, page 1, size 42 font header.
 
MonsterMark said:
Polls do suck. That is why the liberal media uses them so much. They are used to control the uneducated into voting for their candidate. See, look, John Kerry is in the lead, so vote for him. But when the libs are behind in the polls, page 8 story. In front, page 1, size 42 font header.
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Hehe this is comical, the big liberal media conspiracy. OOooOOOooo
 

Facts,Facts, and more Facts...

The Liberal Media
Every Poll Shows Journalists Are More Liberal than
the American Public — And the Public Knows It
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By Rich Noyes
Director of Research
June 30, 2004
Section 2 of 4
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Few Reporters Describe Themselves as Conservatives

It’s not just on Election Day: many of these same surveys and others have asked journalists to describe their political attitudes, and each time the researchers detected the same liberal skew:

• Washington Reporters, 2-to-1 Liberal: The Brookings Institution’s Stephen Hess surveyed the Washington press corps in 1978 for his aptly-titled book, The Washington Reporters. More than twice as many journalists told Hess they were liberal (42 percent) as said they were conservative (19 percent). As for the public, even back in 1978 self-identified conservatives outnumbered liberals by a 31 to 26 percent margin, according to the General Social Survey taken annually by the National Opinion Research Center (NORC).

• The Media Elite, 3-to-1 Liberal: Lichter and Rothman’s Media Elite surveys were conducted shortly after Hess’s; they, too, showed top reporters disproportionately described themselves as liberals. According to the authors, “a majority [of leading journalists] see themselves as liberals. Fifty-four percent place themselves to the left of center, compared to only 17 percent who choose the right side of the spectrum....When they rate their fellow workers, an even greater difference emerges. Fifty-six percent say the people they work with are mostly on the Left, and only eight percent place their co-workers on the Right — a margin of seven to one.”

• Prominent News Organizations Are the Most Liberal: A pair of Indiana University journalism professors, David H. Weaver and G. Cleveland Wilhoit, surveyed more than 1,000 journalists for their 1986 book, The American Journalist. Their poll included more than just top reporters, and, overall, they detected only a modest skew towards the liberal side of the spectrum — 22 percent of those interviewed called themselves liberal, compared with 19 percent who said they were conservative.

But among 136 executives and staffers at “prominent news organizations” — the three weekly newsmagazines, the AP and UPI wire services and the Boston Globe — the tilt was much more pronounced, with liberals outnumbering conservatives by a more than two-to-one margin (32 to 12 percent). Only six percent of this group identified themselves as Republican, compared with seven times as many (43 percent) who said they were Democrats.

• Nationwide, a 3-to-1 Liberal Advantage: When the Los Angeles Times polled journalists around the country in 1985, 55 percent were willing to call themselves liberal, far outstripping the 17 percent who said they were conservative.

• Becoming Even More Liberal: In 1992, Weaver and Wilhoit conducted another national survey of journalists, and noticed the group had moved farther to the left. Writing in the Fall 1992 Media Studies Journal, they pointed out that 47 percent of journalists now said they were “liberal,” while only 22 percent labeled themselves as “conservative.”

• Six Times as Many Liberals as Conservatives: The Freedom Forum’s 1996 poll of Washington bureau chiefs and congressional correspondents found 61 percent labeled themselves as “liberal” or “liberal to moderate,” compared with only nine percent who chose either “conservative” or “moderate to conservative.”

• Business Reporters Are Liberal, Too: As for the notion that business reporters might be more conservative than their brethren on the political beat, that possibility was put to rest by a 1988 poll by a New-York based newsletter, The Journalist and Financial Reporting. The survey of 151 business reporters from newspapers such as the New York Times and USA Today, and business-focused magazines such as Money, Fortune and BusinessWeek, discovered six times as many self-identified Democrats as Republicans — 54 percent versus nine percent.

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• Editors Group Noted the Growing Imbalance: In 1996, the American Society of Newspaper Editors surveyed 1,037 journalists at 61 newspapers. They learned that newsrooms were more ideologically unrepresentative than they had been in the late 1980s: “In 1996 only 15 percent of the newsroom labeled itself conservative/Republican or leaning in that direction, down from 22 percent in 1988,” when the ASNE last conducted a comprehensive survey. Those identifying themselves as independent jumped from 17 to 24 percent while the percent calling themselves “liberal/Democrat” or leaning left held steady, down one point to 61 percent.

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The ASNE report, The Newspaper Journalists of the ‘90s, also revealed that bigger — presumably more influential — newspapers had the most liberal staffs: “On papers of at least 50,000 circulation, 65 percent of the staffs are liberal/Democrat or lean that way. The split at papers of less than 50,000 is less pronounced: still predominantly liberal, but 51-23 percent.”

In a sign that the media’s desire for demographic diversity might result in even more solidly liberal newsrooms, ASNE also found that “women are more likely than men to fall into one of the liberal/Democrat categories,” as just 11 percent said they were conservative or leaned that way. Minorities also “tend to be more liberal/Democrat,” with a piddling 3 percent of blacks and 8 percent of Asians and Hispanics putting themselves on the right.

• Public Far More Conservative: In the July/August 2001 edition of the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research’s journal Public Perspective, Washington Post national political reporter Thomas Edsall summarized the results of a poll of 301 media professionals taken earlier that year by Princeton Survey Research Associates (PRSA) and sponsored by the Kaiser Family Foundation. “The media diverge from both the public and from the policymaking community in terms of partisanship and ideology,” Edsall reported. “Only a tiny fraction of the media identifies itself as either Republican (4 percent) or conservative (6 percent). This is in direct contrast to the public, which identifies itself as 28 percent Republican and 35 percent conservative.”

• The Liberal Advantage Has Grown: In May 2004, the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press released a survey of 547 journalists and news media executives, including 247 who worked for national news organizations. The poll reprised many of the questions asked by the same group (then called the Times Mirror Center for the People and the Press) back in 1995.

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Pew found that the proportion of liberals in the national media had actually grown over the previous nine years, from 22 percent in 1995 to 34 percent in 2004. Meanwhile, the percentage of conservatives remained minuscule: just four percent in 1995, seven percent in 2004. As for local reporters, liberals outnumbered conservatives by a nearly two-to-one margin (23 to 12 percent).

Pew also asked journalists to name a news organization that seemed to cover the news from an especially liberal or especially conservative angle. When it came to a liberal new outlet, most of the national journalists were stumped. A fifth suggested the New York Times was liberal; ABC, CBS, CNN and NPR were each named by two percent. One percent of reporters said NBC was liberal.
But journalists did see ideology at one outlet: “The single news outlet that strikes most journalists as taking a particular ideological stance — either liberal or conservative — is Fox News Channel,” Pew reported. More than two-thirds of national journalists (69 percent) tagged FNC as a conservative news organization, followed by the Washington Times (9 percent) and the Wall Street Journal (8 percent).
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Punisher said:
Hehe this is comical, the big liberal media conspiracy. OOooOOOooo
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It's not a conspiracy. It's just the way the media is as a whole. They lean toward the left and it's expressed in their reporting. I guess only liberals can't see it? A case of the blind leading the blind? ;)

In honor of democratic presidential candidate John F Kerry I give the 7 (for perfect) flag salute:


:bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag:

:F
 
Kbob said:
It's not a conspiracy. It's just the way the media is as a whole. They lean toward the left and it's expressed in their reporting. I guess only liberals can't see it? A case of the blind leading the blind? ;)

In honor of democratic presidential candidate John F Kerry I give the 7 (for perfect) flag salute:


:bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag:

:F
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John Kerry needs more than just seven BUSH SUCKS flags!!! :invasion:
 
MonsterMark said:
...“The single news outlet that strikes most journalists as taking a particular ideological stance — either liberal or conservative — is Fox News Channel,” Pew reported. More than two-thirds of national journalists (69 percent) tagged FNC as a conservative news organization, ...
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I find that hilareous. When I first saw Fox News, I admit, I was intriqued. I knew it was 'different' but it had not yet become known as 'conservative' to me. I don't get it on cable at home so I only got to watch it when I was out of town.

I don't think anyone noticed much until it began taking viewer shares from the competition. Than suddenly it became a biased right wing conservative news/entertainment show. All the while they see nothing biased of their own reflections in the media pool. :biggrin:

The simple fact that the likes of Fox News can attract the audience it does speaks volumes for the ineptitude of the status quo media of today. People want something besides the same ol' same ol' every day. If it means they turncoat to a conservatively labeled outlet, well so be it.
 
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