Timing Chain/Valve Problem ?

Majdelboy

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I have a 2000 Lincoln LS (V8) which is currrently in the shop...it has 151,000Kms. The mechanic got it going but he still hears a metal on metal sound from the engine. He indicated that it's a timing chain problem which has affected the engine's valves. He says that it would be cheaper to put in a replacement engine then trying to fix the timing chain/value problem. I believe I may have turned off the engine at the same time I accidently touched the gas pedal. Can this cause the timing chain to fail and therefore cause further engine damage? Is this possible ? The dealer indicated that the timing chain rarely goes on an LS given the KMs it has. I don't want to shell out for a replacement engine Can anyone help me figure this out...txs.
 
always get second opinion. if there's just valve damage I'm not certain that a swap would be cheaper. however if valves have made a lot of contact w/the pistons then that's a diff. story.

I don't think hitting the gas while shutting the car down could cause this.
 
Before this I took it to the Ford dealer and they said the main computer was fried and needed changing along with the harness cable. With doing a PCM, spark plugs and oil change they are asking $1900+taxes!!! This also means that there could be other problems after the dealer the work done. I can get a rebuilt engine with ~80K KMs installed and completely working with a 3 month warranty for around $2300. I just want to know wat I did to cause the problem ?
 
Majdelboy said:
... With doing a PCM, spark plugs and oil change they are asking $1900+taxes!!! ...


I don't know about you but I think that if you pay that 1900 your getting raped!!! You can change the spark plugs AND the oil in about 1-2 hours yourself, for under $100 or so bucks (price of oil and plugs).

Now I don't know anything about the PCM as far as price goes, but they're going to let it sit for a day or two saying that they are fixing it and when you get the bill, it'll have the labor hours on it and it'll only end up being 3-4 hours they spend on it... and charge you $500 for labor..

Get a second opinion, hell even a third.

****When you say metal on metal sound, is that during idle? or when you push the pedal?
 
Majdelboy said:
Before this I took it to the Ford dealer and they said the main computer was fried and needed changing along with the harness cable. With doing a PCM, spark plugs and oil change they are asking $1900+taxes!!! This also means that there could be other problems after the dealer the work done. I can get a rebuilt engine with ~80K KMs installed and completely working with a 3 month warranty for around $2300. I just want to know wat I did to cause the problem ?
You didn't necessarily do anything to cause this. sh*t breaks. could be oil related, heat related, or just plain bad luck. When an alternator breaks or a pump fails we consider it pretty common even though the driver "usually" didn't do anything wrong. This is sort of the same thing only it's just a lot more expensive.....
 
I agree with BEAUPS' post, stuff sometimes just happens.

Now to get it fixed, I would try to find out if a crate motor is available for your car. A crate motor will be much more completed than any rebuilt so the actual labor to swap it will be cheaper. Also it will be a brand new motor, not some once broken rebuilt (which with our motors complexities calls into question the rebuilders reputation). And by complete I mean very complete, most crate motors will not require new belts, accessories, gaskets, plugs, seals or any of those oh-by-the-way parts that need to get replaced when you do a rebuilt motor.
You will also have the added advantage of being able to sell all the still good parts from you old motor since the crate doesn't have a 'rebuildable core' charge associated with it.
I did a crate motor in my mustang gt just a couple of years back. For starters it was cheaper than all but the cheapest rebuilt motors available. Second there wasn't a $1000usd core charge, which turned out to be fortunate since my one head and block were damaged.
I selling most of the still good parts off the old motor recouped most of the cost of the new motor (I sold the water pump, intake, injectors, COP coils, fuel rails and more on ebay). If the block had been in better shape I would have either kept it and rebuilt it myself for another project or sold it on ebay too.
In the end I only spent about 1900 dollars of the insurance money on getting a better, new, motor in the car (the original estimate was 6500). Yeah I put out 3900 (2900 on the motor, 200 freight and rest was labor) up front then had to recoup almost 2000 selling on ebay, but it paid off in the end.
 
NickLS said:
Now I don't know anything about the PCM as far as price goes, but they're going to let it sit for a day or two saying that they are fixing it and when you get the bill, it'll have the labor hours on it and it'll only end up being 3-4 hours they spend on it... and charge you $500 for labor..

And you know this how?
 

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