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How hard, and how big of a main in the dick is putting in a Manual tranny in? I saw a pic of a members car on here from the inside that had a white ball in it and it was a manual!!! i was like hell yea!. I figured if im gonna spend the money to do the j-mod kit, i might as well just put in a badass manual tranny. What kinda BS am i gonna run into, and what kinda tranny needs to go in the MK8 if its gonna be a manual? thanks again for everyones comments.
Stuart
 
94m5 is your man to go to with this topic. He threw in a 5 speed T45, I believe. I went along with him for a drive in it not too long ago and it was awesome. He didn't even get on it, but it felt like a totaly different car, especially that 1st gear, awesome stuff.

He'll help you through this. He should be responding soon. :Beer
 
All I know is that the pedals are the biggest obstacle in the swap...
 
i hope 94m5 brings his
95 to columbus to Debis how
when we meet
i wana check that out even if its just to look at it wow would love him to take me for a drive
i havnt even been a car with a manual since my dad sold is ferarrie
wow did i spell that right
lol
but id love to see that car you guys all tak about it and i wana see it
hey 94m5 you gona bring both with you i hop e
 
Hey..... I'm going to make this as detailed as possible, so I can just copy and paste the link any time someone asks this question. It happens alot. :)


If your planning on "just putting the money for a J-Mod in to a manual conversion" Don't. Your going to spend ALOT more that on a conversion. I'll make a list of what I had to do, and post a few pictures afterwards, and then me and joey can go over it and make a "how to" for the technical page.


List of Parts


Manual tranny:
T45 (96-2000 4.6 mustang)
3650 (2005 mustang)
T-56 (03-04 cobras)

The T45 is what I went with because it was cheap, and there are ALOT availible. I wish I would have went with either the stronger 3650, or just put the T56 I have sitting for my 95. The syncros and input shaft bearing are weak in the 45, and mine is making a hell of a racket. I say only use the 05+ 3650 because it is already designed for a remote mount shifter and needs minimal fabrication to fit the Marks.

Both the T45 and T56 need extensive mods to the shifter linkage and housing to extend them back to fit the stock hole in the console. This includes TIG welding a new housing on the back of the tranny, and welding a new shifter rail to fit. Pics will be posted at the bottom of this. If I were going to do this, I would use the t56 as it has the taller overdrive gear, and can support 4.56 or higher gears and still have a low cruise RPM.


Clutch
The clutch is kind of up to you. I went with a McLeod unit, with a McLeod billet steel flywheel. I DO NOT recommend an aluminum wheel as the mark is a heavy car, and needs the added inerta to get the car moving from a stop. (this is really nice to have in a tight manuvering situation, like in a parking lot).

The release mechanism has different options also. I went with an external "push" style Slave cylinder and a willwood 5/8's inch master. The cluch pedal is out of a 94 thunderbird supercoupe, and had to be modified to fit the mark. I also had to have an adapter machined out of aluminum to fit the willwood M/C to the stock pedal. Pic of that comming up also. Another way is to use the same master setup, but use a McLeod slave cylinder/T.O. bearing assymbly. This cuts down on required fabrication, but costs alot more. I have thought about using a stock mustang cable actuated clutch, but decided aginst it.

ECM relocation
To fit the clutch pedal in, you have to move the ECM out from under the dash. I chose to mount it under the drivers seat, but am regretting it now. My 95 will get is ECM moved to the back electronics rack in the trunk. ALOT safer back there than under a seat that moves back and forth everytime someone gets in. The wiring harness has to be extended to reach to the new location, and for mine, required 850 feet of 18 gauge wire, 130 solder joints, and a few 25 pin D-Sub connector pairs. Pics also. (This is the most time consuming part of the job, except waiting for that beautiful new MMX driveshaft.)

Driveshaft
Which brings us to the driveshaft..... It has to be 1" shorter than the mark shaft. You are better off to spend the money now and get the good shaft because you will be kicking yourself in the ass once you get steeper gears. I paid 525 with shipping for mine, and have NO trouble with vibration or any other common MarkVIII driveline complaint.

Odds & Ends....
My shifter right now is a stock ford unit with a regulation size cue ball drilled and tapped to fit. (M12x1.75) The shift boot is out of a 97 camaro that my buddy did'nt need anymore so I swiped it from him. Your going to have to wire a clutch safety switch in to the starter circuit to keep unknowing people from wrecking the frontend. Believe me, a stock starter will pull a 4000 pound car pretty quickly. I found out the hard way.

If you go with a T45 you should go with an older unit. in 2000 they updated the tailshaft to use a magnetic VSS, and the stock gen1 ecm can not read it correctly. Dallas mustang has a calibration box that will correct this, but it's 100 bucks. No need to buy it if you get the older tranny with the gear driven VSS, it will hookup fine. Your cross member will need to be modified slightly but thats nothing if you've come this far. It takes about 5 minutes to do everything needed to make it fit.
 
Sorry to cut that short, Here are the pictures. They could get alot more indetail soon, I'm gonna pull it apart in a couple of days.


Pic#

1 Stock T45
2 05' 3650 w linkage
3 Stock t56
4 My 94 before the mods
5 After
6 After
7 ECM location done
8 Engine and tranny ready to drop in
9 Master cylinder first test fit
10 M/C resivouir

The wiring harness will NOT fit anyway but angled like that so sue me if you don't like it.



Mike

T45.jpg


053650linkage.jpg


T56.jpg


Interiorbefore.jpg


Interior1.jpg


Interior2.jpg


ecmlocationcomplete.jpg


Engineandtranny.jpg


Enginecompartment.jpg


Enginecompartment1.jpg
 
Pic#

1 Clutch linkage complete
2 Ugly handmade adjustable pushrod
3 Billet flywheel
4 McLeod Clutch
5 Custom adapter for Mc to pedal
6 Stainless slave bracket
7 Complete shifter extension
8 wiringharness mods
9 Wiring harness mods.
10 more wiring
11 more wiring

Clutchlinkageontranny.jpg


Clutchpushrod.jpg


EngineFlywheel.jpg


EngineClutch.jpg


MCadapter1.jpg


Slavebracket.jpg


Trannymodcomplete.jpg


WiringHarnessmod.jpg


WiringHarnessmod2.jpg


WiringHarnessmod1.jpg


WiringHarness.jpg
 

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