U.S. Soldiers Punished For Not Attending Christian Concert

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For the past several years, two U.S. Army posts in Virginia, Fort Eustis and Fort Lee, have been putting on a series of what are called Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts. As I've written in a number of other posts, "spiritual fitness" is just the military's new term for promoting religion, particularly evangelical Christianity. And this concert series is no different.

On May 13, 2010, about eighty soldiers, stationed at Fort Eustis while attending a training course, were punished for opting out of attending one of these Christian concerts. The headliner at this concert was a Christian rock band called BarlowGirl, a band that describes itself as taking "an aggressive, almost warrior-like stance when it comes to spreading the gospel and serving God."

Any doubt that this was an evangelical Christian event was cleared up by the Army post's newspaper, the Fort Eustis Wheel, which ran an article after the concert that began:

"Following the Apostle Paul's message to the Ephesians in the Bible, Christian rock music's edgy, all-girl band BarlowGirl brought the armor of God to the warriors and families of Fort Eustis during another installment of the Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concert Series May 13 at Jacobs Theater."

The father of the three Barlow sisters who make up the band was also quoted in the article, saying, "We really believe that to be a Christian in today's world, you have to be a warrior, and we feel very blessed and privileged that God has given us the tool to deliver His message and arm His army."

A few days later, some of the soldiers punished for choosing not to attend this concert contacted the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF). The following is from the account sent by one of those soldiers to MRFF, detailing what transpired that night.

"The week prior to the event the [unit name and NCO's name withheld] informed us of a Christian rock event that was about to take place on Thursday the 13th.

"On Thursday 13th at 1730 we were informed that instead of being dismissed for the day, the entire company (about 250 soldiers) would march as a whole to the event. Not only that, but to make sure that everyone is present we were prohibited from going back to the barracks (to eliminate the off chance that some might 'hide' in their rooms and not come back down).

"We were marched as a whole to chow and were instructed to reform outside the dining facility. A number of soldiers were disappointed and restless. Several of us were of different faith or belief. A couple were particularly offended (being of Muslim faith) and started considering to disobey the order.

"From the dining facility we were marched back to the company area. There was a rumor circulating that we may be given a choice later on to fall out or attend. Though it was only a rumor it was also a small hope enough to allow us to follow along a little longer before choosing to become disobedient. We were marched back to the company area. To our dismay there was still no sign of as having a choice.

"We started marching to the theater. At that point two Muslim soldiers fell out of formation on their own. Student leadership tried to convince them to fall back in and that a choice will be presented to us once we reach the theater.

"At the theater we were instructed to split in two groups; those that want to attend versus those that don't. At that point what crossed my mind is the fact that being given an option so late in the game implies that the leadership is attempting to make a point about its intention. The 'body language' was suggesting that 'we marched you here as a group to give you a clue that we really want you to attend (we tilt the table and expect you to roll in our direction), now we give you the choice to either satisfy us or disappoint us.' A number of soldiers seemed to notice these clues and sullenly volunteered for the concert in fear of possible consequences.

"Those of us that chose not to attend (about 80, or a little less that half) were marched back to the company area. At that point the NCO issued us a punishment. We were to be on lock-down in the company (not released from duty), could not go anywhere on post (no PX, no library, etc). We were to go to strictly to the barracks and contact maintenance. If we were caught sitting in our rooms, in our beds, or having/handling electronics (cell phones, laptops, games) and doing anything other than maintenance, we would further have our weekend passes revoked and continue barracks maintenance for the entirety of the weekend. At that point the implied message was clear in my mind 'we gave you a choice to either satisfy us or disappoint us. Since you chose to disappoint us you will now have your freedoms suspended and contact chores while the rest of your buddies are enjoying a concert.'

"At that evening, nine of us chose to pursue an EO complaint. I was surprised to find out that a couple of the most offended soldiers were actually Christian themselves (Catholic). One of them was grown as a child in Cuba and this incident enraged him particularly as it brought memories of oppression."

The account of another soldier who did not attend the concert, which relates the same sequence of events and punishment that occurred, also adds that some of the soldiers who did decide to attend only did so due to pressure from their superiors and fear of repercussions.

At the theater is the first time our options were presented to us. And they were presented to us in a way that seemed harmless, we could either go to the show, or go to the barracks. But at that point, I felt pressured. As a person, I know that I can't be pressured into anything, I'm much stronger than that. But I also know that a lot of people aren't that strong, and that pressure was present. I could hear people saying, 'I don't know about going back to the barracks, that sounds suspicious, I'm going to go ahead and go to the show' and many things that sounded a lot like that. Now, like I said, I don't get pressured into things, but I also don't think that anybody should have to feel that kind of pressure. Making somebody feel that pressure is a violation of human rights, we are allowed to think what we want about religion and not have to feel pressured into doing things, and at that moment there was definitely pressure to go to that concert simply because people don't want to have their free time taken away."

The Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concert Series was the brainchild of Maj. Gen. James E. Chambers, who, according to an article on the Army.mil website, "was reborn as a Christian" at the age of sixteen. According to the article, Chambers held the first concert at Fort Lee within a month of becoming the commanding general of the Combined Arms Support Command and Fort Lee in June 2008. But he had already started the series at Fort Eustis, as the previous commanding general there. The concerts have continued at Fort Eustis under the new commanding general, as well as spreading to Fort Lee under Maj. Gen. Chambers. The concerts are also promoted to the airmen on Langley Air Force Base, which is now part of Joint Base Langley-Eustis.

In the Army.mil article, Maj. Gen. Chambers was quoted as saying, "The idea is not to be a proponent for any one religion. It's to have a mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds." But there has been no "mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds" at these concerts. Every one of them has had evangelical Christian performers, who typically not only perform their music but give their Christian testimony and read from the Bible in between songs.

Another problem with these concerts, besides the issues like soldiers being punished for choosing not to attend them, is that they are run by the commanders, and not the chaplains' offices. It is absolutely permissible for a chaplain's office to put on a Christian concert. It is not permissible for the command to put on a Christian concert, or any other religious event. Having a religious concert series that is actually called and promoted as a Commanding General's Concert Series is completely over the top.

And then there's the cost. These concerts aren't just small events with local Christian bands. We're talking about the top, nationally known, award-winning Christian artists, with headline acts costing anywhere from $30,000 to $100,000, and even many of the opening acts being in the $10,000 range.

The cost of these concerts led MRFF's research department to start looking at some of the DoD contracts for other "spiritual fitness" events and programs, and what we found was astounding. One contract, for example, awarded to an outside consulting firm to provide "spiritual fitness" services, was for $3.5 million.

MRFF was already aware that exorbitant amounts of DoD funding were going to the hiring of civilian religious employees by military installations, the expenses of religious (almost exclusively evangelical Christian) programs, and extravagant religious facilities, but the extent of this spending goes far beyond what we had initially thought it amounted to. Therefore, MRFF has decided to launch an investigation into exactly how much the military is spending on promoting religion.

Do the recently announced plans of Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to trim defense spending include any trimming of the military's outrageous spending on the promoting of religion and evangelizing of our troops? This alone could save the DoD untold millions every year, and go a long way towards upholding our Constitution at the same time.



http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/8/19/113223/843
 
Speaking as a soilder, Do as you are told, and the constitution doesnt hold up in the military, we have a set of rules called UCMJ. These 80 soldiers should have showed up to their appointed place of duty!
 
So, they weren't forced to attend, but if they decided to not participate in that concert, they had to return to the barracks and do chores?
 
Army probes soldiers skipping Christian concert
By STEVE SZKOTAK (AP) – 2 days ago

RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up.

Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers.

"If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said.

Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps.

"My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for."

Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts."

Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said.

"Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment."

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event.

The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward.

"Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said.

Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks.

About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said.

Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together."

While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said.

"But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said.

___

Associated Press writer Pauline Jelinek in Washington contributed to this report.
 
This is nonsense. When I was in basic training, everybody knew that going to chapel on Sunday was a way to get out of cleaning and polishing boots in the morning. Guys who didn't even know how to spell 'God' went to church. Those who didn't stayed in the barracks.

When you're in the military, you do what your sergeant/lieutenant says. Otherwise, you're in heap big trouble.
 
Wow this is first time hearing about this. I'm stationed at Langley AFB in Hampton VA right down the road from Ft. Eustis. Matter of fact they both are one base now as far as operating, Joint Base Langley Eustis.
 
This is nonsense. When I was in basic training, everybody knew that going to chapel on Sunday was a way to get out of cleaning and polishing boots in the morning. Guys who didn't even know how to spell 'God' went to church. Those who didn't stayed in the barracks.

When you're in the military, you do what your sergeant/lieutenant says. Otherwise, you're in heap big trouble.

+1. You find the religion with the longest sermon, and that's what your dogtags should say.

If you went in agnostic, you found god real quick, unless you liked cleaning.
 
This is nonsense. When I was in basic training, everybody knew that going to chapel on Sunday was a way to get out of cleaning and polishing boots in the morning.

apparently some don't like going to sermon. conflicts with their religious ideals.
guess they should be punished.
 
apparently some don't like going to sermon. conflicts with their religious ideals.
guess they should be punished.
Apparently you prefer a different definition of 'punished.' Coming from someone who has zero knowledge of the US Armed Forces and has never served therein, you'll understand why I consider you to have no credibility in the matter.
 
apparently some don't like going to sermon. conflicts with their religious ideals.
guess they should be punished.

Its not being punished, its an accountability issue, all Initial Entry soldiers have to be supervised at all times! You either go to "church" or you stay and do barricks maintence.
 
Its not being punished, its an accountability issue, all Initial Entry soldiers have to be supervised at all times! You either go to "church" or you stay and do barricks maintence.

well, a couple were muslims. i'm sure if given their choice of worship, they would "go to church". there is only the christian option. why?
 
Have you ever heard a good contemporary Muslim band?

Oh...I guess not... since Western music is banned under Sharia.


hmmm. didn't know they were practicing sharia law in the american military.
 
Have you ever heard a good contemporary Muslim band?

Oh...I guess not... since Western music is banned under Sharia.

What sect's version of Sharia?

After Cat Stephens converted, he was told that it was perfectly acceptable for him to continue his career as a pop star. He quit because there were things that went on in the music industry that went against the teachings of the Koran. A lot of music artists have quit after finding god because there are things in the music industry that would make sailors blush, so don't try and turn that around as an indictment of Islam. But he went back and performed at live-aid in 85.

What about David Wharnsby?

YouTube- Dawud Wharnsby - Midnight (Extended Music Video)

Though, I'll admit, much of what he sings is not really contemporary. Then again, a good number of christian bands are also not really contemporary.

Zain Bhikha is kinda what you would consider pop, while his son Rashid Bhikha is a rapper.

YouTube- CAN'T U SEE by Rashid Bhikha featuring Abdul-Malik Ahmad

This is certainly no different than what a christian rapper would be singing.

How about Sami Yusuf? Never heard of him either?

Yeah.... I can see how much you have researched this subject before you went around declaring anyone who disagreed didn't understand Islam or know anything about it.

Want me to name more artists? No comeback?
 
well, a couple were muslims. i'm sure if given their choice of worship, they would "go to church". there is only the christian option. why?


Actually, they do offer muslim services. Chapalins are trained in all religions before they are commissioned in the US Military. These soldiers are just trying to get their 15 minutes of fame, this army is changing and its heading nowhere good, and its all because civilians put out information that is inaccurate and hurtful to the my Army.


http://www.hood.army.mil/CHAPLAIN/ Here is a list of all religious services offered by Chapalins, also keep in mind, chapalins are on call 24/7.
 
Actually, they do offer muslim services. Chapalins are trained in all religions before they are commissioned in the US Military. These soldiers are just trying to get their 15 minutes of fame, this army is changing and its heading nowhere good, and its all because civilians put out information that is inaccurate and hurtful to the my Army.


http://www.hood.army.mil/CHAPLAIN/ Here is a list of all religious services offered by Chapalins, also keep in mind, chapalins are on call 24/7.

wicca? wtf, when did this start?

You are right, the army is changing and heading nowhere good.

I thought all wiccans were kids that didn't like to go outside, had no friends (aside from the other rejects), didn't exercise, and sat around pretending they were sorcerers with great powers.

Then again..... this does sound like something the army would do.... might be part of some army research program.... you know.... men who stare at goats kinda stuff.
 

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