Want to know why so many people are against Iraq now?

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Its simple....

Army Lt. Gen. Douglas E. Lute said it during his confirmation hearing today...

“The Iraqi participation in the surge has been uneven so far,” Lute said. “Where are we today? Not where any of us would like. Especially in Iraq, progress has been too little and too slow,” he said.
 
Its simple....

Army Lt. Gen. Douglas E. Lute said it during his confirmation hearing today...

“The Iraqi participation in the surge has been uneven so far,” Lute said. “Where are we today? Not where any of us would like. Especially in Iraq, progress has been too little and too slow,” he said.

O.K. well then the answer is obvious to the Democrats.

We need to telegraph defeat. Announce our surrender date. Then bleed funding for the troops. And slowly withdraw them, leaving them to suffer humiliation and greater causalities.

Or we can follow the direction of General Petreaus regarding strategy.
 
I read a positive article in the Boston globe about 3 Sat. ago ,about the Iraqi people starting to trust and confide in the U.S soldiers, it lead to a group of civillian hostages being freed from capture and torture, it also lead to the arrest of several scumbags-
 
I read a positive article in the Boston globe about 3 Sat. ago ,about the Iraqi people starting to trust and confide in the U.S soldiers, it lead to a group of civillian hostages being freed from capture and torture, it also lead to the arrest of several scumbags-

Alot of good stuff goes on out there, the media just doesnt publicise it enough.
 
This thread was not about the democrats or republicans. The quote was by an Army General who is being appointed as GW's WAR CZAR. Why dont you try to stop being partisian for a few minutes and really consider an issue instead of reciting talking points.


Especially in Iraq, progress has been too little and too slow


That is the biggest reason the majority of the country isnt supporting the war today.
 
Especially in Iraq, progress has been too little and too slow

That's not in debate. But, as your initial post demonstrates, the leadership is well aware of this point and are changing their tactics to remedy that problem.
 
Consider this --

How many people involved in leadership positions have been changed since the war started?

Think about it. How many generals and administraton people have there been in top positions involving Iraq since the war started?

They have been 'remedying' the problem since the occupation began.

If I give you 10 pounds of ham, and tell you to stuff it in a 3 pound bag while keeping the bag in tact.

No matter how many people you hire and fire, no matter who you hire and fire, no matter how hard you try, you wont accomplish it, until you convice me to change the parameters of the task.

Think about that and try to respond without the words democrat, liberal or anything similar.
 
Consider this --

How many people involved in leadership positions have been changed since the war started?

Think about it. How many generals and administraton people have there been in top positions involving Iraq since the war started?

They have been 'remedying' the problem since the occupation began.

If I give you 10 pounds of ham, and tell you to stuff it in a 3 pound bag while keeping the bag in tact.

No matter how many people you hire and fire, no matter who you hire and fire, no matter how hard you try, you wont accomplish it, until you convice me to change the parameters of the task.

Think about that and try to respond without the words democrat, liberal or anything similar.

I don't use those words as a crutch. Those aren't sports teams, they aren't simply clubs, ultimately they are labels applied to a very specific world view, that also happens to be critically flawed.

We're not trying to pack a 10 pound ham into a three pound bag. You analogy is not accurate, so I can not effectively respond to it. But if you press me to use it, I'd say this.

10 pound ham into a 3 lbs bag? O.k. Well, if we had adequate human intelligence through out the 90s, we would have know the size of the ham before we went to pick it up. Fortunately, we DID know there was a ham. And we are now getting a bigger bag.

Because... if we don't get that ham in a bag, (holy crap your analogy is stupid!) it's going to rot in the sun and poison us all.
 
Actually the analogy isnt stupid, (and I thank you for sticking with it) its really pretty good if you think about it, because you thought about how to solve the problem in a way besides changing the guys in charge of stuffing the ham into the bag.

THAT is what we need regarding the war. We dont need to change the SecDef, or the generals. We only need people to be open to new and different ideas of how to fix it. Like you said, we need a bigger bag. Ive been saying all along, we need more troops. We dont need to go from a 3# bag to a 5# bag (the 20k surge) we need something more like a 10# bag.

Follow what im saying?
 
Actually the analogy isnt stupid, (and I thank you for sticking with it) its really pretty good if you think about it, because you thought about how to solve the problem in a way besides changing the guys in charge of stuffing the ham into the bag.

THAT is what we need regarding the war. We dont need to change the SecDef, or the generals. We only need people to be open to new and different ideas of how to fix it. Like you said, we need a bigger bag. Ive been saying all along, we need more troops. We dont need to go from a 3# bag to a 5# bag (the 20k surge) we need something more like a 10# bag.

Follow what im saying?

Pushing this imagery to it's maximum, IF you can't get the DEMOCRATS in congress to possibly give you another 3# bag, even if it's ripping, how the hell do you get them to give you a 20# lb bag?

To really push this further- with your 10# ham- in actuality, we did start off with a ten pound bag. The problem was, the "ham" was of an irregular size, it poked out in some parts, stretching the seams, separating the bag. That 10# bag was the right size, assuming there were no unanticipated problems and no irregularities. It would have been a snug fit.

In real life, the military strategy was idea stated was to "TO LEAVE A SMALL FOOTPRINT"

So now, my other post stands. The first attempt was too optimistic, but they tried turning and pushing it into the bag on hand, but while most of your ham is in the bag, a couple parts are sticking out and the bag is strained.

So, how do you get a apathetic Americans and hostile Democrats to authorize a 20# bag when they want to abandon the idea of the 10#?

And, many still think that the use of overwhelming force (or that 20# bag) will have unforeseen consequences through the region as well.

...no more food references....:p
 
ROFL! You hungry now?

The thing is, they werent always apathetic Americans and hostile Democrats.

Thats where GW failed. He couldnt keep the American people on his side. Its not just bout the mission, but its performance. The american people havent seen any real progress in several years. Thats the problem. GW and his handling of the war combined with the lack of clear progress in the war has people unsupportive. Dont blame the democrats or the republicans. Blame GW.
 
U guys still haven't answered the important question...

Which one of u is gonna make me a sandwich now?!
 
Dont blame the democrats or the republicans. Blame GW.

GW=Global Warming...right?
I will gladly blame global warming for the failures in Iraq...
If it were snowing there it would be much easier, I think

LOL


...Maybe AlGore can come up with a solution...
 
Now thats an interesting solution... Make it snow there.

Actually, I think we should develop a way to drill for oil there from here. Then who cares what they do.
 
Nuke it ALL. The sand will become glass, and u can SEE where the oil is...
Operation "sheet 'o' glass"...

Can u imagine the octane rating of radioactive gasoline?!

Yes, millions will die, and the earth will suffer...but my Lincoln can now do 0-60 in 1/2 of a second

gotta have priorities!
 

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