Wash Post damaged National Security

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It's about damn time something was done about this story. While the press is trying to destroy Karl Rove and Lewis Libby, they published highly classified information regarding the detainment of high level Al-Queda members in foreign countries. Absolutely outrageous and inexcusable what the press has done, once again, to undermine our military and the country.

GOP LEADERS TO LAUNCH NEW 'LEAK' PROBE; INFO TO WASH POST CAUSED 'DAMAGED NATIONAL SECURITY'​
Tue Nov 08 2005 11:36:31 ET

**Exclusive**

Sources tell Drudge that early this afternoon House Speaker Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Frist will announce a bicameral investigation into the leak of classified information to the WASHINGTON POST regarding the “black sites” where high value al Qaeda terrorists are being held and interrogated.

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Said one Hill source: “Talk about a leak that damaged national security! How will we ever get our allies to cooperate if they fear that their people will be targeted by al Qaeda.”

According to sources, the WASHINGTON POST story by Dana Priest (Wednesday November 2), revealed highly classified information that has already done significant damage to US efforts in the War on Terror.

Developing...
 
News reporters can not 'leak' information. They are reporting news. If it is said to them they have an obligation to print it.

The Washington Post can't damage national security...whoever gave the information that lead to the article damaged national security.
 
raVeneyes said:
News reporters can not 'leak' information. They are reporting news. If it is said to them they have an obligation to print it.

The Washington Post can't damage national security...whoever gave the information that lead to the article damaged national security.
Which I guess means if they hear they have to print it. Real nice. Ethics don't matter huh.
 
MonsterMark said:
Which I guess means if they hear they have to print it. Real nice. Ethics don't matter huh.

The ethical thing for a reporter to do is report the news that s/he hears...it's their job and their journalistic responsibility
 
So, if a journalist is given information that will clearly put lives at risk, it has an obligation to print it? For what purpose?

A responsible journalist self-censors all the time. And if they don't, the editor should.

This was vile and irresponsible.
 
Bottom line is... If it damages Bush, print it. If it helps him, hide it. I believe that is now being taught in Journalism 101.
 
Liberals are doing there damn best to destroy this country.

Can't wait to see the left blame Bush and Cheney for this leak.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2l.htm


GOP LEADERS TO LAUNCH NEW 'LEAK' PROBE; INFO TO WASH POST 'DAMAGED NATIONAL SECURITY'
Tue Nov 08 2005 11:36:31 ET

Sources tell Drudge that early this afternoon House Speaker Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Frist will announce a bicameral investigation into the leak of classified information to the WASHINGTON POST regarding the “black sites” where high value al Qaeda terrorists are being held and interrogated.

MORE

Said one Hill source: “Talk about a leak that damaged national security! How will we ever get our allies to cooperate if they fear that their people will be targeted by al Qaeda.”

According to sources, the WASHINGTON POST story by Dana Priest (Wednesday November 2), revealed highly classified information that has already done significant damage to US efforts in the War on Terror.
 
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Let's compare these two transgressions based on the seriousness of them, shall we?


Btw, on the great Rove/Cheney/Libby story...
Plame wasn't 'undercover'. End of story.
Wilson is a liar. End of story.
 
I can't see the reasoning in wanting to burn the journalist who posted a story that was told to them because the story threatened national security but you have nothing against those who leaked the story to the journalist.(with the exception of MonsterMark, he has his own theory on who leaked and wants those guilty punished)

Shooting the messenger will not solve the problem.
 
The problem is the messenger.
Actually, it's the subversive working within the governmnet, and it's the journalists who are willing to undermine American in order to publish it.

I'm glad they are detaining high ranking Al-Queda members overseas. One advantage is that when they are captured, it can be kept a secret while information is obtained. The other members don't react to the capture so quickly. This is good.

Or rather WAS good, since it's been exposed by the Washington Post.
 
My sources tell me it was a Senate Luncheon were loose lips seem to have a sunk a ship.

Obvious to me that Senators should not be privy to all privileged info because some of them appear not to be able to keep their mouths shut and the press is the press.
 
raVeneyes said:
They are reporting news. If it is said to them they have an obligation to print it...The ethical thing for a reporter to do is report the news that s/he hears...it's their job and their journalistic responsibility

LOL - Oh - I can't breathe!:bowrofl: :bowrofl:

Now that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. You make the Washington Post out to be this enclave of noble observers who impartially report all the news as it comes to them? LOL that is absolutely ridiculous. I could give you dozens of examples where the MSM IGNORES news or puts it on the back page because it doesn't fit their agenda. Even when they do print good news, it's usually spun to be bad news.

Example:


According to the Media, Most Economic News is Bad News
Posted by Noel Sheppard on November 7, 2005 - 19:16.

Regardless of economic data, press accounts are typically negative and pessimistic.

The economy has been growing at a very strong clip since October 2001. Real estate prices are at their highest levels in history, as are homeownership and Americans’ average net worth. Unemployment also is lower than the average during any of the past three decades. Yet Americans are very down, and one third even think the economy is in a recession. Is consistently negative media coverage influencing public attitudes? Might headlines like “Job growth less than expected” and “Jobs come up weak” have something to do with the gloom being felt across the country?

The Labor Department announced unemployment numbers for October on November 4, and despite a decline in this rate and an addition to payrolls, the media reported the gains as “surprisingly meager,” “stalled,” “damped,” and “disappointing.”

As measured by the gross domestic product, the economy has now grown by 3 percent or more for 10 straight quarters – a feat that hasn't been achieved since the mid-’80s and never occurred during the “boom” years of the ’90s. The unemployment rate now stands at 5 percent.

But consumer confidence as measured by the Conference Board, a non-profit economic research and forecasting organization, is at 85, its lowest reading since October 2003 when unemployment was 20 percent higher than it is today. At the same time, according to Scott Rasmussen of Rasmussen Reports, "34 percent believe the U.S. is in a recession." And, a recent ABC News/Washington Post poll stated that 61 percent of Americans disapprove of the way President Bush is handling the economy.

Regardless of what economic data is released by the various government agencies responsible for such things, the media tend to report it as bad news. When the press make pessimistic predictions that don’t pan out, rarely will they revisit them or explain why they were wrong. And when data is reported that is better than expected, the press will often downplay it by suggesting that the numbers are preliminary but could be revised lower later. When such revisions actually improve the picture originally depicted, this too is largely ignored. Some examples from coverage of the latest jobs numbers:

* “Job growth was surprisingly meager last month, the Labor Department reported yesterday, in a sign that business executives have become worried that the economic damage from high energy prices might be growing.” The New York Times
* “U.S. job growth stalled last month, the Labor Department reported yesterday, suggesting that employers remained cautious about hiring because of high energy prices.” The Washington Post
* “The nation's job market rebounded last month from hurricane-related losses, although the payroll gain was far below expectations as high energy prices may have damped hiring in regions not directly hit by the storms, the government reported Friday.” The Los Angeles Times
* “Job growth resumed in October but came in well below economists' forecasts, due to softness in the labor market nationwide, rather than disruptions from Hurricane Katrina.” CNN/Money

These same media outlets completely ignored their own gloomy and, as it turns out, faulty predictions made for the labor markets and the economy shortly after Katrina hit New Orleans. For example, as reported by The Free Market Project, the Los Angeles Times’ Joel Havemann wrote on September 3, 2005: “Katrina's effects — not only on the Gulf Coast regions where it struck but also on the national economy via higher energy prices and disrupted ports — could result in the loss of as many as 500,000 jobs.”

Nell Henderson of the Washington Post wrote the same day: “Hurricane Katrina, by forcing an exodus of workers and families from New Orleans and surrounding areas, appears likely to rank alongside Sept. 11, 2001, and the Arab oil embargo of 1973 as one of the nation's most serious and sudden economic shocks – particularly in terms of job losses – in recent memory.”

However, when the September unemployment report came in much better than the media had been forecasting – showing a loss of only 35,000 non-farm payroll jobs instead of the hundreds of thousands that were forecast – the press downplayed this number by stating that it was too early to tell just what the real impact of Katrina was. Here’s how CNN/Money categorized the September data: “Still, economists cautioned that it was premature to say damage to the job market from Katrina was minimal, noting it could take months to assess the full impact of the storm.”

Well, it’s now a month later, and the September report indeed was revised – for the better. Instead of what many predicted in the press, the Labor Department’s November 4 announcement showed that the nation lost only 8,000 non-farm payroll jobs in September as opposed to the 35,000 initially reported. Add to that 56,000 jobs created in October. Adjusting the October gains with the September losses, that means 48,000 new non-farm payroll positions have been added since Katrina and Rita devastated the Gulf Coast – instead of the hundreds of thousands that Americans were told by the media would be lost.

Nevertheless, Americans turned on their television sets the evening of November 4 to hear Brian Williams of NBC’s “Nightly News” state:

“Back here at home this busy Friday night, news on the economy and the job market, still struggling to recover from a brutal hurricane season. Employers boosted payrolls by just 56,000 last month. That's well short of what economists were forecasting.”

And, they opened their Saturday newspapers to learn why getting too large of a raise can actually be bad for them. As reported by the Associated Press’s Jeannine Aversa:

“A wage barometer that economists monitor for signs of inflation picked up strongly.

“Workers' average hourly earnings rose to $16.27 in October, up 0.5 percent from September. Wage gains are good for workers and can fuel spending, an important ingredient to the economy's good health. But a rapid pickup in wage growth can lead economists to fret about inflation.”

This is the largest monthly increase to average hourly wages since February 2003, and the AP and other media outlets depicted it as negative due to its inflationary potential. However, for several years the media have been reporting that the jobs being created in the current recovery are low-paying, and that as a result, wage gains are not keeping up with inflation. In fact, a Google search of the phrase “wages lagging inflation” produced 188,000 results.

Nicholas Riccardi of the Los Angeles Times wrote about this in April in an article entitled “Wages Lagging Behind Prices”:

“For the first time in 14 years, the American workforce has in effect gotten an across-the-board pay cut.

“The growth in wages in 2004 and the first two months of this year trailed inflation, compounding the squeeze from higher housing, energy and other costs.”

As a result, after years of being told that they weren’t earning enough money to make ends meet, Americans are now being informed that receiving too much of a raise is also a bad thing. As such, it appears that whatever economic data is released, the media tend to report it as a cataclysm. Is it any wonder the public is so gloomy?
 
MonsterMark said:
Obvious to me that Senators should not be privy to all privileged info because some of them appear not to be able to keep their mouths shut and the press is the press.

I agree whole heartedly.

And it is the press' job to report it if they hear it.
 
raVeneyes said:
The ethical thing for a reporter to do is report the news that s/he hears...it's their job and their journalistic responsibility

Ha ha ha...WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Why did the press swallow Massey's stories?
By Ron Harris
POST-DISPATCH WASHINGTON BUREAU
11/05/2005

WASHINGTON

Media outlets throughout the world have reported Jimmy Massey's claims of war crimes, frequently without ever seeking to verify them.

For instance, no one ever called any of the five journalists who were embedded with Massey's battalion to ask him or her about his claims.

The Associated Press, which serves more than 8,500 newspaper, radio and television stations worldwide, wrote three stories about Massey, including an interview with him in October about his new book.

But none of the AP reporters ever called Ravi Nessman, an Associated Press reporter who was embedded with Massey's unit. Nessman wrote more than 30 stories about the unit from the beginning of the war until April 15, after Baghdad had fallen.

Jack Stokes, a spokesman for the AP, said he didn't know why the reporters didn't talk to Nessman, nor could he explain why the AP ran stories without seeking a response from the Marine Corps. The organization also refused to allow Nessman to be interviewed for this story.

Some media did seek out comment from the Marine Corps and were told that an investigation of Massey's accusations had found them baseless. Still, those news outlets printed Massey's claims without any evidence other than the word of Massey, who had been released from service because of depression and post traumatic stress disorder.

"Why would we have run this?"

That Massey wasn't telling the truth should have become obvious the more he told his stories, said Phillip Dixon, former managing editor of The Philadelphia Inquirer and currently chairman of the Howard University Department of Journalism.

Dixon examined dozens of newspaper articles in which Massey told of the atrocities that Marines allegedly committed in Iraq.

"He couldn't keep his story straight," said Dixon, who has also been an editor at The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. "First it was a 4-year-old girl with a bullet hole in her head, then it was a 6-year-old girl."

Editors at some papers look back at the Massey articles and are surprised that they ran them without examining whether the claims were true or without ever asking the Marine Corps about them.

"I'm looking at the story and going, 'Why, why would we have run this without getting another side of the story?'" said Lois Wilson, managing editor of the Star Gazette in Elmira, N.Y.

David Holwerk, editorial page editor for The Sacramento Bee, said he thought the newspaper handled its story, a question and answer interview with Massey, poorly.

"I feel fairly confident that we did not subject this to the rigorous scrutiny that we should have or to which we would subject it today," he said.

Rex Smith, editor of the Albany (N.Y.) Times Union, said he thought the newspaper's story about Massey could have "benefited from some additional reporting." But he didn't necessarily see anything particularly at odds with standard journalism practices.

The paper printed a story in which Massey reportedly told an audience how he and other Marines killed peaceful demonstrators. There was no response from the Marine Corps or any other evidence to back Massey's claims.

Smith said that, unfortunately, that is the nature of the newspaper business.

"You could take any day's newspaper and probably pick out a half dozen or more stories that ought to be subjected to a more rigorous truth test," he said.

"Yes, it would have been much better if we had the other side. But all I'm saying is that this is unfortunately something that happens every day in our newspapers and with practically every story on television."

"The truth suffers"

Michael Parks sees it differently. He is the director of the University of Southern California Annenberg School of Journalism and formerly the editor of the Los Angeles Times. Parks also reviewed stories written about Massey.

"A reporter's obligation is to check the allegation, to seek comment from the organization that's accused," said Parks, a Pulitzer Prize winner who covered the Vietnam War as a reporter for the Baltimore Sun. "They can't let allegations lie on the table, unchecked or unchallenged. When they don't do that, it's a clear disservice to the reader."

In many cases, journalists covered Massey as he was speaking at public gatherings. Some reporters said that because he was making public statements, they didn't feel an obligation to check his claims. Some editors worried they could be accused of covering up his claims if they didn't report on his speech.
Dixon and Parks disagree.

"We're not stenographers, we're journalists," Dixon said. "What separates journalism from other forms of writing is that we practice the craft of verification. By not doing that, that's saying they're abdicating any responsibility from exercising news judgment."

Parks said the journalist's responsibilities when covering someone who makes allegations while speaking in a public forum can be different from those when seeking an interview with an accuser.

"Still, if the person making the allegation has spoken at a public forum, and the audience has heard it, the obligation of the reporter remains to get the other side."
Dixon said: "As a journalist, you want to put accurate information before the public so they can make opinions and decisions based on accurate information. When something like this happens, harm is done, the truth suffers. "

rharris@post-dispatch.com | 202-298-6880
 

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