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An interesting opinion article from the Toronto Star
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http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/744736


David Rothkopf, who served in the administration of former U.S. president Bill Clinton, has come up with what has to be the defining description of the character of both the year, 2010, and of the 21st century's second decade, now just underway.

His insight, quoted in The Financial Times of London, was this: "You could argue that the first decade of the 21st century was the last decade of the American century." Rothkopf then added, "We are now entering the multi-polar century."

That really is it. Rothkopf expresses the essence of what happened last year: the clear beginnings of the end of the long, unchallenged global supremacy of the United States.
It expresses also the essence of the new world order of multilateralism that began to take shape last year with the establishment of the G20, or group of 20 nations, to replace the U.S.-dominated G7 of western insiders (Canada included), and also by the Copenhagen Conference on Climate Change.
As Copenhagen confirmed by its meagre accomplishments (if it achieved anything at all), multilateralism is no cure-all. It can replace too much power being exercised by one nation with global impotence.

It's worth recalling what happened the last time something like this happened: Rome's decline wasn't followed by a flowering of all the once oppressed peoples of its empire, but by the Dark Ages.
Whether for good or bad, it's all but certain that this kind of transition is now underway.

Lots of indicators exist to confirm it. Some are entirely benign.
Last year China edged ahead of Japan to become the world's second-largest economy.
According to the latest estimates, it will pull ahead of the U.S. in little more than a decade-and-a-half, or by 2027.

Other indicators are malign. Iran, a medium-sized nation with a second-rate economy, has been able to successfully defy the U.S. (and the United Nations) as it proceeds with its program to develop a nuclear bomb entirely undeterred by threats of international trade and diplomatic sanctions.

As revealing an indicator is that ordinary Americans seem to feel in their bones that this kind of transformation is inevitable. According to a new poll from the Pew Research Center, for the first time since World War II a plurality of Americans (49 per cent) believe the U.S. should "mind its own business and let other countries get along the best they can."
Related Pew findings show only half (24 per cent) of Americans today show interest in international human rights compared to 43 per cent in 2002. And there's been a near collapse (from 44 per cent to 10 per cent) of their interest in spreading democracy around the world. This kind of defensive inward turning isn't uniquely American. A good case can be made that Canada is entering a post-Pearsonian era – that we have grown weary with, or indifferent to, the kind of high-minded, activist foreign policy that defined Canada through the decades following external affairs minister Lester Pearson's winning of the 1957 Nobel Peace Prize for inventing international peacekeeping.

No surveys exist yet to support this judgment. It is striking, though, that so little public criticism has been directed at Prime Minister Stephen Harper for the kind of role – negative and concerned only with Canadian self-interest – he played at the Copenhagen conference.

The new, inward-turned attitude is, in fact, general throughout the West. In 2009, the European Union at last got itself a new constitution. To fulfill the important new post of president of Europe, the EU's 27 member states chose former Belgium Prime Minister Herman van Rompuy, best known for being utterly unknown.

There is one sound reason for this inwardness: the world is getting old. In Europe itself, one in three is now older than 65. The aging curve is even steeper in Japan and also in China .

The U.S. is actually comparatively young, as is Canada – in both instances because of heavy immigration. Here, incidentally, Canada received in 2009 one of the most resounding votes of confidence that has ever come our way.
A Gallup survey has found that around the world some 700 million people would like to live in a country other than their own. Of these, the largest number, 165 million, said they would like to move to the U.S. This was predictable.

Amazing, though, was Gallup's finding that 45 million want to become Canadians.

The numbers mean the U.S. population would increase by roughly a third while Canada's population would more than double. Given that the U.S. population is 10 times larger than Canada's, that makes us proportionately more attractive to close to three times as many people.
That's another measure of America's comparative decline. This is, it should be emphasized, strictly a comparative decline. Militarily, the U.S. is as unchallengeable as ever – if not so in the slums of Baghdad or in the mountains of Afghanistan.

Its universities still dominate the international rankings, it is still the workshop of global popular culture and it is still the technological leader (although keep an eye on China's new $220 billion program to develop green energy technology).

And, in Barack Obama, the U.S. has the world's most attractive leader and, by a wide margin, its most eloquent one. Obama, though, may have the bad luck of being the right man at the wrong time.
The riskiest decision Obama took in 2009 – to escalate the war in Afghanistan – was almost certainly prompted in some part by a need to show the U.S. was not in decline.

Managing decline is the hardest of all political tasks. By definition, it produces few, if any, victories or epiphanies. The accusation of being weak, already being made in Washington, can be deadly.
Abundant reasons exist to wish Obama well. One additional one appeared in 2009: a worse start than Copenhagen to Rothkopf's "multi-polar century" cannot be imagined.

This, and inward turning, will leave us without anyone to talk to except ourselves.

Richard Gwyn's column appears every other Friday. gwynr@sympatico.ca
 
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An interesting opinion article from the Toronto Star
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(ONE)
...edged ahead of Japan to become the world's second-largest economy.
According to the latest estimates, it will pull ahead of the U.S. in little more than a decade-and-a-half, or by 2027.

(TWO)
...only half (24 per cent) of Americans...

(ONE)
There was a detailed study done in the opening years of the twentieth century. The people doing the study concluded that Manhattan was in serious trouble due to the proliferation of horses on the island. The rapidly escalating volume of horse (s) (h) (i) (t) being produced would drive most humans away within a matter of a few short years. Then the automobile 'happened'.

(TWO)
I was just sure that it would take 50 percent to get to one half.

Some of us simply must not be smart enough to be able to understand the offerings of big brains such as this writer.
KS
 
Polls have margins of error
49% in a poll is roughly half.
I think they meant about half as many of the 42% when they stated 24%

Anyways
the numbers indicate that americans are increasingly getting tired of the government sticking it's nose into the affairs of other countries, with support for spreading democracy taking the biggest fall.

How do you feel about the US butting into the affairs of other countries.
 
Define the above bolded statement.

I'm only going by the information asserted in this article.

To me stuff like supporting sham elections in Pakistan and other countries that elect and/or keep strongmen ostensibly friendly to us in power against the will of the people in those countries comes to mind.

Americans are realizing that trying to force democracy on 3rd world countries does not produce the desired results and beyond some humanitarian aid it's better to leave these people to themselves.

From previous posts I believe that other than Isreal, you support a more isolationist foreign policy.
 
trying to force democracy on 3rd world countries
You need to drop the hyperbolic talking points. That is, unless you care to define the above statement.
From previous posts I believe that other than Isreal, you support a more isolationist foreign policy.
I don't care what you believe. What's more interesting is that you don't even know what you support.
 
...trying to force democracy...

How do you "force" democracy on a society? How do you "force" freedom on someone?

Your statement is self-contradicting...but it sure reads well on a bumper sticker! ;)

As to the original article, there have always been people wanting to pronounce the era of American supremacy over, especially since the end of the cold war. However, those pronouncements have tended to be premature and speculative. Especially to those with an egalitarian worldview, cutting American down to size is a very appealing idea (as reflected in Obama's "apology tour" and his general weakening of security to foster the illusion that we are no "equal" with the rest of the world). Pronouncements that we are seeing the end of American dominance are not uncommon from those who share in that worldview. However, a true end of American dominance is something utterly foolish for to hope for. The reason we have had a (relatively) stable world has been due to the, essentially, unipolar system in place today and the bi-polar system that preceded it. Weakening America weakens that system.
 
Ok force is too strong a word.
Strongly encourage democratic type elections as a prerequisite to trade and relations with the US as well as sending observers to such elections.

Carrot and stick.

On the other hand we turn a relatively blind eye on this when dealing with for instance Saudi Arabia and China, 2 countries who provide us with things that are more important to us than the way they treat their citizens.
 
Ok force is too strong a word.
Strongly encourage democratic type elections as a prerequisite to trade and relations with the US as well as sending observers to such elections.

Carrot and stick.

On the other hand we turn a relatively blind eye on this when dealing with for instance Saudi Arabia and China, 2 countries who provide us with things that are more important to us than the way they treat their citizens.
Now we're getting somewhere. You're touching two of my pet peeves.

America is not great because of democratic elections. America is great because she was founded on limited government. Those two principles do not necessarily go hand in hand. A democratic Sharia government is still oppressive and malevolent, for example.

Saudi Arabia and China are apples and oranges, but neither of them are 'Third World Nations.' They both have to be dealt with differently. I doubt you have enough of a macro grasp on geopolitics to effectively a) criticize or b) recommend a course of action. The temptation is to take a Ron Paul stance and say, let's leave them alone. But that has its downsides as well.

You're trying to find a way to criticize American foreign policy by using the most complicated example you can find. Believe me, there are other, more simple examples, such as Obama bowing to kings and insulting our allies, to criticize.
 
My view is that we need to be energy independent and work from there. One of the biggest mistakes Americans have made is electing tree-hugging politicians. We have enough domestic oil, natural gas and coal to eliminate the need for foreign oil. Even without coal we would have enough oil and natural gas. After becoming energy independent the economic outlook and foreign policy considerations would be a whole different ball of wax. If we were energy independent we would be in a position to pressure Saudi Arabia to become more democratic and we would not need to fear OPEC. Let's not forget the tree-hugging, self-defeating mentality of the Libs manifest in Obama desire for $5 a gallon gas. We, the American people have been literally fleeced by Congress and yet I suspect that nothing will change in 2010.

All of our problems have been brought about by corrupt politicians and their cronies. If there aren't substantial changes in the upcoming congressional elections, I will have just reason to think that the American people are truly stupid. At the very least, the democrats should loose their majority in the House and loose in the Senate. Sending a message that we will not tolerate being ignored will be a good start.
 
I will have just reason to think that the American people are truly stupid.
Well not all but too many are doe heads stupid enough to childishly value emotion over reason.
We need to fix our own back yard before lecturing others.
China and it's communist government are a billion people+ strong and in no danger of collapsing anytime soon.
We were able with our economic might to help push the Soviet Union into the ashbin of history but have sold our principles to China for cheap goods and easy profits for our corporations.
Having compromised ourselves we come across as disingenuine and hypocritical with our flexible values.
Even the simpleminded realize there is nothing we can do in the short term about this sell out without hurting ourselves.
Kennedy set a goal of putting a man on the moon and energy independance should be a similar goal of our leaders.
The general unspoken contemptuous view of Saudi Arabia by business is they were/are poor primitive lumpen medieval savage nomads before the discovery of oil by the British and Americans in the 30's and that is all they will go back to being after the oil runs out.
In other times in history the strong would kill and/or run off the weak to capture value but in this time that option is not open to us.
Hence the loss of support for spreading democracy and the realization we need to better mind our own business.
 
Well not all but too many are doe heads stupid enough to childishly value emotion over reason.

How else could Obama get elected on nothing more then "hope" and "change"? ;)

We need to fix our own back yard before lecturing others.

Why? This sounds like another one of those simplistic platitudes...

Having compromised ourselves we come across as disingenuine and hypocritical with our flexible values.

Especially when it comes to international politics, that is always going to be a factor. Just look at our handling of the Cold War.

Coming across as disingenuous is part of the game in international affairs, and coming across as hypocritical is, in and of itself, nothing to be concerned about in the slightest. There is not one person on this planet who is not a hypocrite in some fashion over the course of their life. It is a meaningless critique that is given entirely too much weight by people as an ad hominem bludgeon to be able to ignore opposing points of view.

Kennedy set a goal of putting a man on the moon and energy independence should be a similar goal of our leaders.

Agreed. Unfortunately, due to very strong lobbying interests and enviro-wackos the only energy independence allowed to be discussed is the illusion of wind and solar energy. Drilling is not an option. Natural gas is not an option. Nuclear energy is not an option.

The general unspoken contemptuous view of Saudi Arabia by business is they were/are poor primitive lumpen medieval savage nomads before the discovery of oil by the British and Americans in the 30's and that is all they will go back to being after the oil runs out.
In other times in history the strong would kill and/or run off the weak to capture value but in this time that option is not open to us.
Hence the loss of support for spreading democracy and the realization we need to better mind our own business.

The big question is weather their religion is compatible with freedom and democracy. Unfortunately, the answer no one wants to admit is that it is not. It's why I like Ann Coulter's advice; We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. ;)
 
It's why I like Ann Coulter's advice; We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. ;)

Yes this sounds kind of satisfying:rolleyes: but it will never happen.

Hey,
Am I the only one to see Detroit being picked by the underwear bomber(s) handlers because it has the largest muslim population in the US as an extra twist
I haven't seen anyone mention this in the media
 
Yes this sounds kind of satisfying:rolleyes: but it will never happen.

From a purely utilitarian point of view, it is the obvious answer. However, we cannot do that because we are not a theocracy. We have a secular federal government per the Constitution. But, it is an absurd and facetious way of illuminating the problem; the radical Islamic faith.

Hey,
Am I the only one to see Detroit being picked by the underwear bomber(s) handlers because it has the largest muslim population in the US as an extra twist
I haven't seen anyone mention this in the media

hadn't noticed that. Thanks for pointing that out...
 
Yes this sounds kind of satisfying:rolleyes: but it will never happen.

Hey,
Am I the only one to see Detroit being picked by the underwear bomber(s) handlers because it has the largest muslim population in the US as an extra twist
I haven't seen anyone mention this in the media
The bomber wasn't picking Detroit. He was picking an airplane.
 
The bomber wasn't picking Detroit. He was picking an airplane.


A crash anywhere would be equally tragic.
I suppose it's a coincidence but I think the thought probably crossed his handlers minds.
 
It might have been less conspicuous to have a muslim flying into Detroit though, noting Dearbornistan and the surrounding areas.
 
A crash anywhere would be equally tragic.
I suppose it's a coincidence but I think the thought probably crossed his handlers minds.
Well aren't you clairvoyant. The plane was an hour from landing. I suppose they were circling for an hour over Detroit?
 
Well aren't you clairvoyant. The plane was an hour from landing. I suppose they were circling for an hour over Detroit?

You don't have to get mad at me.
It was just something that came to mind when I heard it was Detroit.
The tvs in the backs of the seats were showing the plane's location.
 
You don't have to get mad at me.
It was just something that came to mind when I heard it was Detroit.
The tvs in the backs of the seats were showing the plane's location.
LOL sorry about that, it's hard to convey tone over the web. I'll try using smileys more often. :D
 
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1/5/10- Sarah Palin: “It’s a war, not a crime spree.”

1/7/10- Barack Obama: “We are a nation at war, not a nation facing a crime wave.”
 

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