What Am I?

Calabrio

Dedicated LVC Member
Joined
Oct 14, 2005
Messages
8,793
Reaction score
3
Location
Sarasota
http://reason.com/archives/2010/04/08/what-am-i/print
Understanding what it means to be a libertarian
http://reason.com/archives/2010/04/08/what-am-i/print
John Stossel | April 8, 2010

I used to be a Kennedy-style "liberal." Then I wised up. Now I'm a libertarian.

But what does that mean?

When I asked people on the street, half had no clue.

We know that conservatives want government to conserve traditional values. They say they're for limited government, but they're pro-drug war, pro-immigration restriction and anti-abortion, and they often support "nation-building."

And so-called liberals? They tend to be anti-gun and pro-choice on abortion. They favor big, powerful government—they say—to make life kinder for people.

By contrast, libertarians want government to leave people alone—in both the economic and personal spheres. Leave us free to pursue our hopes and dreams, as long as we don't hurt anybody else.

Ironically, that used to be called "liberal," which has the same root as "liberty." Several hundred years ago, liberalism was a reaction against the stifling rules imposed by aristocracy and established religion.

I wish I could call myself "liberal" now. But the word has been turned on its head. It now means health police, high taxes, speech codes, and so forth.

So I can't call myself a "liberal." I'm stuck with "libertarian." If you have a better word, please let me know.

When I first explained libertarianism to my wife, she said: "That's cruel! What about the poor and the weak? Let them starve?"

For my FBN show tonight, I ask some prominent libertarians that question, including Jeffrey Miron, who teaches economics at Harvard.

"It might in some cases be a little cruel," Miron said. "But it means you're not taking from people who've worked hard to earn their income (in order) to give it to people who have not worked hard."

But isn't it wrong for people to suffer in a rich country?

"The number of people who will suffer is likely to be very small. Private charity ... will provide support for the vast majority who would be poor in the absence of some kind of support. When government does it, it creates an air of entitlement that leads to more demand for redistribution, till everyone becomes a ward of the state."

Besides, says Wendy McElroy, the founder of ifeminists.com, "government aid doesn't enrich the poor. Government makes them dependent. And the biggest hindrance to the poor ... right now is the government. Government should get out of the way. It should allow people to open cottage industries without making them jump through hoops and licenses and taxing them to death. It should open up public lands and do a 20th-century equivalent of 40 acres and a mule. It should get out of the way of people and let them achieve and rise."

David Boaz, executive vice president of the Cato Institute, took the discussion to a deeper level.

"Instead of asking, 'What should we do about people who are poor in a rich country?' The first question is, 'Why is this a rich country?' ...

"Five hundred years ago, there weren't rich countries in the world. There are rich countries now because part of the world is following basically libertarian rules: private property, free markets, individualism."

Boaz makes an important distinction between equality and absolute living standards.

"The most important way that people get out of poverty is economic growth that free markets allow. The second-most important way—maybe it's the first—is family. There are lots of income transfers within families. Third would be self-help and mutual-aid organizations. This was very big before the rise of the welfare state."

This is an important but unappreciated point: Before the New Deal, people of modest means banded together to help themselves. These organizations were crowded out when government co-opted their insurance functions, which included inexpensive medical care.

Boaz indicts the welfare state for the untold harm it's done in the name of the poor.

"What we find is a system that traps people into dependency.... You should be asking advocates of that system, 'Why don't you care about the poor?'"

I agree. It appears that when government sets out to solve a problem, not only does it violate our freedom, it also accomplishes the opposite of what it set out to do.

John Stossel is host of Stossel on the Fox Business Network. He's the author of Give Me a Break and of Myth, Lies, and Downright Stupidity. To find out more about John Stossel, visit his site at johnstossel.com.
 
Sounds like you're a real American with the original beliefs that SHOULD have been passed on.
 
The largest difference between libertarians and mainstream conservatives is the use of realpolitik. I'm still not certain about that one.
 
The largest difference between libertarians and mainstream conservatives is the use of realpolitik. I'm still not certain about that one.

Libertarians, after a point, can be just as radical as liberals. In fact communism and anarcho-capitalism (an extreme form of libertarianism) are both forms of anarchy based in absurd views of human nature that are unrealistic and dangerous.

Conservatism is rooted in pragmatism; in eschewing unnecessary abstraction from reality that is characteristic of ideologies.

While some conservatives and branches of conservatism can be viewed as mindlessly opposing change, true conservatism is based in a healthy respect for things proven to work (even imperfectly) and a healthy skepticism of anything claiming to improve and/or replace that.

Conservatives are not at all opposed to change. However, conservatives are unique in that they realize that change always has unforeseen consequences and those consequences increase, in quantity and quality as the change become more radical. That is why conservatives promote incremental change instead of replacing things whole cloth. The health care debate is a prime example.

Basically, conservatives take to heart the idea that "you don't know what you have until it is gone" and are cautious not to "throw the baby out with the bathwater" when legislating change because if you replace a lot of the social institutions and the change is worse then what was before, it is next to impossible to go back to how it was. Sex education is a great example of this...

In as much as this country is founded on a unique version of classical liberalism, American conservatism is also rooted in that ideology. Libertarianism (basically, modern, secular classical liberalism) and conservatism are closely tied...to a point. Where they depart is where libertarianism start abstracting itself from reality; where it starts proposing radical change toward their ideological agenda. Privatizing the military, for example, would be anathema to conservatives as much as Obamacare is.

Conservatives promote chance toward getting back to a point that the framers envisioned (because it has been shown to work) and are skeptical of going beyond that. Not opposed, but cautious and skeptical.
 
Most libertarians don't think the military should be privatized.
That's really more of an anarchist than a constitutional libertarian.

But this demonstrates how easy it can be to distort and evade classification in the political sphere. One of our members here is well aware of that. Since no theoretical definition is 100% applicable in the real world, it can always be dismissed.

Most "libertarians" are really just constitutional conservatives.
The main focus is federalism, the constitution, limited government, and maximizing the individual liberty of the individual.

The left/media use the small element of the population to identify the conservatives who think that government should be active in our lives to address moral issues, much like a liberal thinks it should address issues of equity.
 
Most libertarians don't think the military should be privatized.
That's really more of an anarchist than a constitutional libertarian.

But this demonstrates how easy it can be to distort and evade classification in the political sphere. One of our members here is well aware of that. Since no theoretical definition is 100% applicable in the real world, it can always be dismissed.

Most "libertarians" are really just constitutional conservatives.
The main focus is federalism, the constitution, limited government, and maximizing the individual liberty of the individual.

The left/media use the small element of the population to identify the conservatives who think that government should be active in our lives to address moral issues, much like a liberal thinks it should address issues of equity.

Agreed. There is a lot of overlap with libertarians and conservatives; especially when it comes to constitutional issues and respect for the rule of law.

However, libertarianism is an ideology and conservatism is not (though it is rooted in an ideology). After a point there start to be some differences, though they are mostly on the fringe, as you pointed out; anarcho-capitalism wanting to privatize the military, etc. In my view, this is largely because our nation is founded on what can be called a God-fearing, "paleo"-libertarianism of sorts...
 
I picture a libertarian (small 'l') as a live and let live type. That's where I see my own political classification. States' rights, legalization of mj, legalized prostitution, selling of body parts, none of that bothers me. Smaller government is the key to my philosophy. This drug war the government has been waging has cost thousands of lives and imprisoned thousands more, as well as costing millions of dollars if not billions. For the most part it's a waste and its unintended consequence is enlarging the already bloated police state.

Not gay marriage, though - that's a different animal. It grants special rights to gays that heterosexual people don't have.
 
Well said fossten, I cant find nuthing to disagree with in your post.. dammit!
 

Members online

Back
Top