Which media is biased again?
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fossten
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Yeah, no bias here.
It was good for the zingers though - saying his daughters were available was a classic... we had way too much to drink by that point, and the laughter at the table went on for a good 5 minutes after that little 'revelation'.
I wonder if you went by minutes instead of percentages what that chart that foss posted would look like?
Yeah, no bias here.
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10:19 p.m.
KEITH OLBERMANN: Lawrence O’Donnell joins me next on the future of health care reform, but first we stay in Massachusetts for the first of tonight’s "Quick Comments." I wanted to apologize for calling Senator-elect Scott Brown an "irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea bagging, supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees." I’m sorry, I left out the word "sexist."
And I left out the story of the day Brown, upset by online criticism from some students, went to the school and swore at the entire student body. I’m very sorry. For all the blowback from the right on this comment from people who regularly mutter worse things about Barack Obama in their sleep, when it came to the facts that I cited to paint this picture of this horrifically unqualified Senator-elect, we have heard nothing – no contrary evidence, no refutation, not even a plausible excuse. And to the point of excuse, it can be argued that Brown should have been given the benefit of the doubt after a supporter shouted at him that they should "shove a curling iron up Martha Coakley’s butt" that he did not hear that, that when Brown then said "we can do this," he was not responding to the lunatic in the crowd.
But the Boston Globe makes an unanswerable point about that. Even if Brown really didn’t hear it, where was his later statement decrying the obscenity and violence his supporter had suggested? Not only did Mr. Brown not offer even the mildest reproach, but when pressed for one by Senator Kerry, Brown replied only that people are tired of John Kerry’s partisan politics. In Senator-elect Brown, we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, sexist, ex-nude model, tea bagging supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees. And if he or you don’t like that characterization, my answer to you is simple: Disprove it because he hasn’t.
10:41 p.m.
OLBERMANN: Before we get to the chowder recipes of the family, we’re going to take a pause to discuss this.
10:50 p.m.
OLBERMANN: My God, he’s still talking! Senator-elect Brown is still giving his victory speech tonight in Boston. Howard Fineman will help me wrap it up -- if he wraps it up -- in a moment. First, the second of tonight’s "Quick Comments." The tea baggers have elected their first guy tonight, and, thus, they will expecting legislation by tomorrow making it a death penalty offense to call them "tea baggers." It is thus useful to remind them and you how the term originated and with whom. A TV news report aired last March 14 in which a correspondent described the original protest act. Quote, "Take a tea bag, put it in an envelope, and mail it to the White House." Adding, "ReTeaParty.com has a headline: Tea bag the fools in D.C. on tax day." Thus, the verb to "tea bag" was invented by the tea baggers themselves. And the correspondent who put it on TV was one Griff Jenkins of Fox News. Send your complaints to him.
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Aww..
That's just Olbermann's way of trying to get friendly with Brown :shifty:
He's punching like a 12 year old because he likes you
Quote:
10:19 p.m.
KEITH OLBERMANN: Lawrence O’Donnell joins me next on the future of health care reform, but first we stay in Massachusetts for the first of tonight’s "Quick Comments." I wanted to apologize for calling Senator-elect Scott Brown an "irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea bagging, supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees." I’m sorry, I left out the word "sexist."
And I left out the story of the day Brown, upset by online criticism from some students, went to the school and swore at the entire student body. I’m very sorry. For all the blowback from the right on this comment from people who regularly mutter worse things about Barack Obama in their sleep, when it came to the facts that I cited to paint this picture of this horrifically unqualified Senator-elect, we have heard nothing – no contrary evidence, no refutation, not even a plausible excuse. And to the point of excuse, it can be argued that Brown should have been given the benefit of the doubt after a supporter shouted at him that they should "shove a curling iron up Martha Coakley’s butt" that he did not hear that, that when Brown then said "we can do this," he was not responding to the lunatic in the crowd.
But the Boston Globe makes an unanswerable point about that. Even if Brown really didn’t hear it, where was his later statement decrying the obscenity and violence his supporter had suggested? Not only did Mr. Brown not offer even the mildest reproach, but when pressed for one by Senator Kerry, Brown replied only that people are tired of John Kerry’s partisan politics. In Senator-elect Brown, we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, sexist, ex-nude model, tea bagging supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees. And if he or you don’t like that characterization, my answer to you is simple: Disprove it because he hasn’t.
10:41 p.m.
OLBERMANN: Before we get to the chowder recipes of the family, we’re going to take a pause to discuss this.
10:50 p.m.
OLBERMANN: My God, he’s still talking! Senator-elect Brown is still giving his victory speech tonight in Boston. Howard Fineman will help me wrap it up -- if he wraps it up -- in a moment. First, the second of tonight’s "Quick Comments." The tea baggers have elected their first guy tonight, and, thus, they will expecting legislation by tomorrow making it a death penalty offense to call them "tea baggers." It is thus useful to remind them and you how the term originated and with whom. A TV news report aired last March 14 in which a correspondent described the original protest act. Quote, "Take a tea bag, put it in an envelope, and mail it to the White House." Adding, "ReTeaParty.com has a headline: Tea bag the fools in D.C. on tax day." Thus, the verb to "tea bag" was invented by the tea baggers themselves. And the correspondent who put it on TV was one Griff Jenkins of Fox News. Send your complaints to him.
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Aww..
That's just Olbermann's way of trying to get friendly with Brown :shifty:
He's punching like a 12 year old because he likes you
fossten
Dedicated LVC Member
If they included only audible audio, it would look even more biased on the side of MSNBC.
Here are the ratings for the 8:00 time slot Tuesday night:
I could argue that Fox was doing a more thorough job since they had a larger share of viewers to service.
From Glenn Garvin:
If you watched CNN or Fox News last night, you got a balanced analysis of how Republican Scott Brown pulled off the political upset of the century (or, if you prefer, how Democrat Martha Coakley blew a dead solid electoral lock). Yes, I said Fox News, without irony. To be sure, Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity made it clear they were rooting for Brown. But their shows also included a steady parade of liberal-leaning guests — former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown, former Dukakis campaign manager Susan Estrich, Democratic party strategist Mary Anne Marsh, NPR commentator Juan Williams and radio host Alan Colmes. And pollster Frank Luntz interviewed a panel of two dozen or so Massachusetts voters, most of them Democrats, about how they voted and why. Practically every conceivable perspective on the election was represented.
And on MSNBC, you got practically every conceivable expression of venom against Brown and anybody who voted him. From Maddow’s dark suspicions that the election was rigged — she cited complaints about a grand total of six ballots out of about 2.25 million cast — to Olbermann’s suggestion in the video up above that the same Massachusets voters who went for Barack Obama by a 62-28 percent margin had suddenly realized they helped elect a black guy and went Republican in repentance, the network’s coverage was idiotic, one-sided and downright ugly…
It may be too much to expect NBC, these days reduced to a national wisecrack, to be embarrassed over the frothing lunacy that passes for news coverage at corporate stepchild MSNBC. But both networks are part of the same news division. If news boss Steve Capus thinks his reporters can continue to appear with Olbermann and Maddow without suffering credibility contamination, he’s dumber than whoever was behind the Leno/O’Brien late-night shuffle.
Just CNN at the restaurant... I would assume 'O' and the gang at MSNBC talked over Brown's speech?
Professional Wrestlers are more dignified on camera than the air personalities on MSNBC were during the Brown victory.
Joeys Lincoln
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So we still won't simply agree that all media is biased in some sort of way?
That's a throw-away comment and it really doesn't address the issue being discussed.
All reporting has a voice. That's unavoidable.
The issue is whether or not a trusted NEWS source that repeatedly claims that it's objective, unbiased, and fair makes any effort to do just that.
Some networks do a better job than others.
MSNBC is the worst. Without any doubt.
Fox News does the best job of providing balanced coverage of the news. They make a concerted effort in doing so- something to the determent of the programing (ie. too many predictable voices and spokes people).
fossten
Dedicated LVC Member
I don't really agree with 'balanced' reporting as Fox News defines it. What they do is allow lies in to 'balance out' the truth. That's not balance. That's dilution of the truth.
lincolnx2
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There are no balanced networks, Fox will always praise what the right does, and CNN will always praise what the left does, and MSNBC has one of the best looking female reporters (Robin Meade) IMHO.
With Fox, you have to distinguish between commentary and news coverage. With the other networks it is all the same.
CNN, MSNBC, and the rest of the mainstream media they don't even attempt to provide balance, instead giving a pass to liberals and being attack dogs against conservatives.
fossten
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Thread winner.
The Medium is the Message
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
The medium is the message is a phrase coined by Marshall McLuhan meaning that the form of a medium embeds itself in the message, creating a symbiotic relationship by which the medium influences how the message is perceived. The phrase was introduced in his most widely known book, Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man, published in 1964.[1] McLuhan proposes that media itself, not the content it carries, should be the focus of study. He said that a medium affects the society in which it plays a role not only by the content delivered over the medium, but also by the characteristics of the medium itself.
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Who is providing the message is as important as the message itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
The medium is the message is a phrase coined by Marshall McLuhan meaning that the form of a medium embeds itself in the message, creating a symbiotic relationship by which the medium influences how the message is perceived. The phrase was introduced in his most widely known book, Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man, published in 1964.[1] McLuhan proposes that media itself, not the content it carries, should be the focus of study. He said that a medium affects the society in which it plays a role not only by the content delivered over the medium, but also by the characteristics of the medium itself.
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Who is providing the message is as important as the message itself.