Yes you can.
Flow bench Port the heads, Bigger Valves, Springs, Custom high RPM Degreed High lift cams, Enlarged Throttle Body, Custom Long Tube Headers & Exhaust.
150 shot or more Nitrous Kit. ECU Piggy back Tuning.
2000 LS v8 buildup or 4.6 swap
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Yes you can.
Flow bench Port the heads, Bigger Valves, Springs, Custom high RPM Degreed High lift cams, Enlarged Throttle Body, Custom Long Tube Headers & Exhaust.
150 shot or more Nitrous Kit. ECU Piggy back Tuning.
Watch out porting the heads. A friend had it done and the shop "found" a void in the casting.
Porting is Art work. Its not just grinding. Its improved flow within the availably.
Quik LS: 2007
"Yes - is was a lot of work for hp. Pulling the heads was not a chore I want to do too many times.
The founder of the LLSOC was the first to try this many years ago - they ended up cutting too close to one of the water jackets and ended up having to tear it all out after it sucked all the anti-freeze out the tailpipe.
The guys that came over for the Austin garage day saw the set of heads on the floor that have been ported&poished I did together with a guy that owns a performance shop here in town. He has all the right equipment and measuring devices. I am no expert but the shop owner is. I did exactly what Rocket stated - we cut up a junk head to see where the water channels are and where the overall strength of the material is (I wish I would have kept the cut up one – would have made a great garage decoration…).
It’s been a couple of years – but my LS made an addition 29rwhp and 22lb/ft of torque with those heads. I see if I can find the dyno sheet and post it up. I pulled them when I started getting more serious in SCCA – and pulled the heads and N2O off the car. I also purchased 3 sets of cams and started on those…… This was all before the SCT software was available to us - show the only tuning was what the car could adjust within itself.
The heads are like any other car – but it was such a royal pain working on the car. I also ended up messing with head gasket leaks a few times after swapping - my own issues there.... "
Quik LS: 2007
"Yes - is was a lot of work for hp. Pulling the heads was not a chore I want to do too many times.
The founder of the LLSOC was the first to try this many years ago - they ended up cutting too close to one of the water jackets and ended up having to tear it all out after it sucked all the anti-freeze out the tailpipe.
The guys that came over for the Austin garage day saw the set of heads on the floor that have been ported&poished I did together with a guy that owns a performance shop here in town. He has all the right equipment and measuring devices. I am no expert but the shop owner is. I did exactly what Rocket stated - we cut up a junk head to see where the water channels are and where the overall strength of the material is (I wish I would have kept the cut up one – would have made a great garage decoration…).
It’s been a couple of years – but my LS made an addition 29rwhp and 22lb/ft of torque with those heads. I see if I can find the dyno sheet and post it up. I pulled them when I started getting more serious in SCCA – and pulled the heads and N2O off the car. I also purchased 3 sets of cams and started on those…… This was all before the SCT software was available to us - show the only tuning was what the car could adjust within itself.
The heads are like any other car – but it was such a royal pain working on the car. I also ended up messing with head gasket leaks a few times after swapping - my own issues there.... "
FDR
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Just cover it with aluminum/JB Weld "paper machet" of sorts. Grind away!
A good Head port Guy will sometimes even use fill in like that or Bondo, (which can have issues) to change the port shape or raise the port roof if needed to improve flow.
G-RELL
FULLY DIPPED LS
... must not forget
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/forum/showthread.php?80824-1000-Rear-Turbo-build-Thread
it sucks without the videos , but imagine pool cleaning supplies meets ebay turbo...
http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/forum/showthread.php?80824-1000-Rear-Turbo-build-Thread
it sucks without the videos , but imagine pool cleaning supplies meets ebay turbo...
lincoln_zero
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That's your opinion. Maybe those whose advice is bad to you, think your advice is bad. So suck It.
I love the engine swap questions that show up here now and again. I haven't looked into the electronic control difference between Jaguar AJ series 4.2L engines and and the 3.9LS, but as stated several times in this thread, the electronics are the biggest barrier to a successful swap. For comparison, AVOS, located in the Netherlands, who posts on the Jaguar forum is getting over 600HP out of his Kennie Bell 2.6L twin screw supercharged and bored out Jaguar motor. An engine like this could mechanically be fitted into a LS. (But then there is the big electrical controls issue again)
I put a LS3 Camaro engine with 6 speed into a 2000 Jaguar S-type several years ago. The mechanical portion was straight forward and easy to do. BUT, the car still isn't running. (Guess what! There is a small issue of re-harnessing 80% of the car to make it think it is a Camaro! Dam that electrical wiring stuff! The car might have been been running by now if I hadn't worked away from home for past 2-1/2 out of the 4 years. I hope to start working on my swap car in the next few months, Really...)
So instead of hunkering down and finishing my original swap project, I went out and purchased a running 04 Jaguar STR. Then to bury the "swap project" even further, I purchased another Jaguar STR with a blown motor and decided to build up a new supercharged engine for it. Guess what! Jaguar 4.2L engine rebuild parts aren't readily available so I am having to do a custom build of the engine. I am 9 months into the engine build and I still don't have the block back from the shop I sent it to to have it sleeved and bored out. (92mm bore = 4.8L engine) I am glad I enjoy these types of projects. But if I add up all the money I've put into these 2 cars, I could cry, and they are still nothing more than good looking paperweights.
If you have a wheelbarrow filled with money sitting around and you have lots of free time, go for an engine swap. They are fun to do. But in my case, I keep running out of money for my projects and I can't find the time to make much forward progress....
I put a LS3 Camaro engine with 6 speed into a 2000 Jaguar S-type several years ago. The mechanical portion was straight forward and easy to do. BUT, the car still isn't running. (Guess what! There is a small issue of re-harnessing 80% of the car to make it think it is a Camaro! Dam that electrical wiring stuff! The car might have been been running by now if I hadn't worked away from home for past 2-1/2 out of the 4 years. I hope to start working on my swap car in the next few months, Really...)
So instead of hunkering down and finishing my original swap project, I went out and purchased a running 04 Jaguar STR. Then to bury the "swap project" even further, I purchased another Jaguar STR with a blown motor and decided to build up a new supercharged engine for it. Guess what! Jaguar 4.2L engine rebuild parts aren't readily available so I am having to do a custom build of the engine. I am 9 months into the engine build and I still don't have the block back from the shop I sent it to to have it sleeved and bored out. (92mm bore = 4.8L engine) I am glad I enjoy these types of projects. But if I add up all the money I've put into these 2 cars, I could cry, and they are still nothing more than good looking paperweights.
If you have a wheelbarrow filled with money sitting around and you have lots of free time, go for an engine swap. They are fun to do. But in my case, I keep running out of money for my projects and I can't find the time to make much forward progress....
cammerfe
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My complete NX PRO spray system altogether costs between $1K and $1500 if you don't count the multiple tanks necessary for a weekend of constant racing in a distant state, or the methanol delivery system that probably cost about $250 or so more. It will provide an additional 400-450 horsepower beyond stock, not including the contribution of using the methanol instead of gasoline as fuel. With a stock 'bottom-end' it would not be good sense to do so. I've not used more than a '150 shot' pill in the N2O side of my set-up and then added methanol to move the speed up in subsequent ECTA runs.
If you have a modicum of fabricating skill, you can probably pare the cost of a dual-turbo remote system on an LS down to $2k to $3K for the parts and materials necessary. On the other hand it's quite possible to pay $1K---or more---for EACH turbo.
Blanket GENERAL statements regarding costs are most likely counter productive to our discussion.
KS
If you have a modicum of fabricating skill, you can probably pare the cost of a dual-turbo remote system on an LS down to $2k to $3K for the parts and materials necessary. On the other hand it's quite possible to pay $1K---or more---for EACH turbo.
Blanket GENERAL statements regarding costs are most likely counter productive to our discussion.
KS
Ima Luthier
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tijoe, You've answered a lot about what I want to do with my wife's 2003 LS: I was hoping there were a few knowledgeable guys on here about interchangeability regarding the Jag AJ-V8s, as I would love to replace the 3.9 AJ35 (not really tired at all) with a 4.2 AJ34S or the 5.0 AJ133 (unsure about the SC option in this one)...will they mate up to the existing tranny? are the dimensions and motor mounting the same, exhaust fitments, yada yada yada...
Ford modular swaps seem like way too much hassle due to incompatibility issues
...I think the biggest issue based on my research (what little I could find, as this forum seems to have the most info I have found thus far, especially this thread), is the electrical issues and either reflashing the LS PCM to work with correspondeing Jag motor, or getting a Jam PCM and adapting it to the LS electronics...
I love this car, and want more info on it, I may even be able to spend up to 15k on this swap, wife says it's better than buying a new car, but it'll be my daily drive and we'll keep it for the long haul, barring any continuing issues, speaking of which, does anyone know if the other Jag models w/ AJ engines have the overheating issues, or is it strictly a Lincoln LS/ Ford Thunderbird issue?
Ford modular swaps seem like way too much hassle due to incompatibility issues
...I think the biggest issue based on my research (what little I could find, as this forum seems to have the most info I have found thus far, especially this thread), is the electrical issues and either reflashing the LS PCM to work with correspondeing Jag motor, or getting a Jam PCM and adapting it to the LS electronics...
I love this car, and want more info on it, I may even be able to spend up to 15k on this swap, wife says it's better than buying a new car, but it'll be my daily drive and we'll keep it for the long haul, barring any continuing issues, speaking of which, does anyone know if the other Jag models w/ AJ engines have the overheating issues, or is it strictly a Lincoln LS/ Ford Thunderbird issue?
1LoudLS
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the real question is, of the 30 or so people who have said this, will you be the first to actually do it?
As far as I have been able to tell, the LS 3.9L, 4.0L Jag and 4.2L Jaguar engines all are made from the same basic casting. Over the years they have made various changes to the blocks, but the engine mount and trans mounting pattern have remained the same. A complete Jaguar engine will fit in a LS. But there are accessory mounting boss differences. (Something you would have to research further. As stated numerous times in this thread, the challenge is in the electrical. These cars are highly integrated electrically. Engine to trans, body control module and speedometer cluster. Seems to me the best shot at the electrical would be to try to use the LS's engine harness and ECM. But if you want significanlty more HP and try to put in a supercharged 4.2, then you will have even more of a challenge. (Extra cooling loops, different tuning, ZF 6 speed transmission.)
Based on all I have learned from my engine swap and rebuild, in hind sight, I'd recommend putting your 15K towards a newer car. But if you have the money, lots of time, and are up for the challenge, research the electical before spending any money on the project.
Bullschmidt
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For now it at least has a good home. Hasn't been sold in awhile and the guy (Neal) has been spending money continuing to work on it. His heads were just ported and retuned
Ima Luthier
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we'll see, it may be a bit down the road when the economy gets better and we weren't currently under the possibility of any "position restructurings"...unless I win the lottery first! Heh
It would be nice to hold that distinction, though, and if I find a way to make it all work, I will certainly be patenting the harness kits (and maybe the reflashing)!
right now I just need a radiator fan, it went belly up a couple weeks ago...
Deaconblue
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I have said it before and I will say it again...
"It would be way simpler / easier (and most likely cheaper) to just buy a Jaguar S-Type R sedan with the 4.2L supercharged AJ34S engine and be done with it."
"It would be way simpler / easier (and most likely cheaper) to just buy a Jaguar S-Type R sedan with the 4.2L supercharged AJ34S engine and be done with it."
1LoudLS
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yeah, but then he would have to look at that ugly car all the time...
Deaconblue
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Well at least not when he is driving it
1LoudLS
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Well at least not when he is driving it
even worse, the entire time driving it, he has a crazy cat screaming at him!
Gari2000lsv8
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I stopped posting on here because of the immediate sarcastic negative posts I received about my post. I didn't say I knew everything if I did I wouldn't have joined this. But for someone to be so sarcastic about a performance issue when after I looked at their car that seemed like a loud rolling Christmas tree I realized this wasn't the place to get knowledgeable answers. BTW I found out that gm makes an ls2 motor along with a harness that will work for ANY vehicle including the Lincoln ls. The only downside is getting past state inspection. And if he didn't know that maybe he should not tell someone they can't do something and he's seen guys like me on here before. It's a shame about the one bad apple, always w the most to say.
joegr
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Yeah, sure.
(Get one, do it, prove me wrong.)
You might get the engine to work, but you won't get it to work with the transmission, the instruments, the climate control, the ABS, the AdvanceTrac, the fuel pump, ...
1LoudLS
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if you think GM makes a harness to plug any LS2, LS3, LS7, LSA, or LS9 and it just work in this car(along with everything else), you have been seriously misled...
what GM performance does sell is a motor, harness and a stand alone computer that will allow that motor to be installed into any car (that it fits into)
however, then you are pretty much in hod rod/race car mode where nothing else from the car works, you will have to switch transmissions, and then start rigging up stuff to get it anywhere near functional, such as gauges, heat, AC... on and on and so forth.
trust me, I have been looking into a lot of options, mostly around the 6.0 LS2 or maybe the 6.2 LS3. either getting a bowtie and doing the easy swap or even going to the stand alone option in the LS. and in the LS, its either a hack job or completely stripping most of the car and possibly swapping out a lot from the donor car. no part of that or what GM offers is fun or easy...
also sorry you have been so but hurt about the negative comments you have received from all of the ass holes on here that have seen no less than 96 people say they wanted to do this only to give up after they realized why it wouldn't really work...
regardless of what route you end up taking, good luck with it!
what GM performance does sell is a motor, harness and a stand alone computer that will allow that motor to be installed into any car (that it fits into)
however, then you are pretty much in hod rod/race car mode where nothing else from the car works, you will have to switch transmissions, and then start rigging up stuff to get it anywhere near functional, such as gauges, heat, AC... on and on and so forth.
trust me, I have been looking into a lot of options, mostly around the 6.0 LS2 or maybe the 6.2 LS3. either getting a bowtie and doing the easy swap or even going to the stand alone option in the LS. and in the LS, its either a hack job or completely stripping most of the car and possibly swapping out a lot from the donor car. no part of that or what GM offers is fun or easy...
also sorry you have been so but hurt about the negative comments you have received from all of the ass holes on here that have seen no less than 96 people say they wanted to do this only to give up after they realized why it wouldn't really work...
regardless of what route you end up taking, good luck with it!
Deaconblue
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I suppose if you want a very nice "executive sedan" powered by a member of the GM LS engine family, then a Pontiac G8 may be the best way to go - but hey why go with the easy way. Styling to "timid", well then there is always the Gen I CTS-V. I also hear there are more than a few E39 running around with LS engines.
Rushsampson
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I've never understood why people wanted to do a 4.6 swap into an LS ever. For one, I can imagine that getting all of the electrics to sing kumbaya would be hell in its own right, but then you have to physically get the block into the car, which I imagine would equally be a giant pain in the sack. The 4.6 DOHC is a very large engine, geographically speaking, unless of course you are referring to swapping in a 4.6 SOHC, in which case, what the F is the point. In terms of saving a lot of money, unless you're seriously bent on having a fire breathing DEW98, then your best bet would be to just find a decent Cobra/Mark VIII/Marauder and improve on that.