2002 Lincoln LSE DOES NOT GO INTO DRIVE OR REVERSE AND JUST ROLLS DOWN MY DRIVEWAY

Paul is probably alot like my guy, has done so many that he can get a real good gut feel about what it could be - especially if it is major like the insides are toast and a rebuild is needed. Remember, my guy rough diagnosed 2 possibilities before going into it for free, and then stated he would charge the service fee at least to drop the pan. I think Paul is probably doing PCM code reads and voltages for the $85 - which also could be valuable in pointing out bad pcm or solenoid.

I think you would be ok with either, but Paul seems to be the down home type I have come to rely on for my opinion. Remember, those fees are just for if you walk away after finding out the facts. I doubt thats what you want to do in this case, so you wont lose money.
 
grizzlyls said:
Paul is probably alot like my guy, has done so many that he can get a real good gut feel about what it could be - especially if it is major like the insides are toast and a rebuild is needed. Remember, my guy rough diagnosed 2 possibilities before going into it for free, and then stated he would charge the service fee at least to drop the pan. I think Paul is probably doing PCM code reads and voltages for the $85 - which also could be valuable in pointing out bad pcm or solenoid.

I think you would be ok with either, but Paul seems to be the down home type I have come to rely on for my opinion. Remember, those fees are just for if you walk away after finding out the facts. I doubt thats what you want to do in this case, so you wont lose money.
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Great advice grizzlyls. I agree with you and I was leaning Paul's way as well...Thanks again. Car is being towed at noon today, so I'll keep you updated if you'd like. Thanks again to yourself and joe...your help and advice is greatly appreciated.
 
At least keep us updated with a resolution..... that's what we need the most so others can see patterns and save headaches/money. :rolleyes:
 
grizzlyls said:
At least keep us updated with a resolution..... that's what we need the most so others can see patterns and save headaches/money. :rolleyes:
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Update; just got off the phone with Paul and he stated the transmission is bad. There is fluid but it's burnt and he can tell it's bad without pulling the pan. I inquired about the PCM and he stated that he couldn't test the PCM due to the fact that the transmission is inoperable and the codes in the system were recently cleared. I found a used transmission for $650 and he stated the labor would be $550 to install plus the filter and fluid. Paul also stated a full rebuild with a new cylinder body would be $2750 plus tax.
 
ErnieG22 said:
No issues with transmission shifting. Only issue has been with the misfire in cylinder 6 and my Catalyst faults. Transmission was fine night before when I parked it. My driveway is on a slight incline.
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ErnieG22 said:
Update; just got off the phone with Paul and he stated the transmission is bad. There is fluid but it's burnt and he can tell it's bad without pulling the pan. ...
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These two things would seem to be in conflict...
 
Wow that sucks. I was hoping that guy would give you more of a solid answer. I hate that these tranny places seem to go right to the dam thing is bad and you need a whole new rebuild. No way us non mechanics can check up on them, even if they would give us the old transmission back. I am kinda with joe on this, doesnt make sense you would not have one bad clue before then POOF its all bad. Thats why I didnt really listen to AAMCO when they said my whole tranny was shot, the evidence just didnt bear. If you have given us all the clues - mind you transmission only like harsh shifts, slipping when you put your foot in it, delays in shifts (which you state none), then I think your search for a reliable guy is still on. I suggest two things, talk to the guy at Valve Body Pro and explain what is happening, ignore when talking to him anything to do with misfire - unless he leads you that way. Someone like that (business is specialize on the valve body) may have seen this before. Also, contact Lincoln in Detroit (use Lincoln Website). They have a team thats dedicated for Lincoln owners past and present. They should be able to offer a clue as well because they would have a dealer service database to review.
 
Oh and if you do decide to go with a used one, I wouldnt even think about putting it in without replacing the solenoid, whole new shift kit, and a hard look at the servos too. No reason to get it in and then have to pull it in a few thousand miles for some issue with those.
 
grizzlyls said:
Oh and if you do decide to go with a used one, I wouldnt even think about putting it in without replacing the solenoid, whole new shift kit, and a hard look at the servos too. No reason to get it in and then have to pull it in a few thousand miles for some issue with those.
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I actually called the Valve Body guy in San Jose on Friday and the tech that called me back was extremely polite and helpful. He stated that my issue would most definitely be "internal" and doesn't indicate anything electrical from what I described to him. I guess they only deal with the "valve body" and nothing else, but he was very helpful.
 
grizzlyls said:
Wow that sucks. I was hoping that guy would give you more of a solid answer. I hate that these tranny places seem to go right to the dam thing is bad and you need a whole new rebuild. No way us non mechanics can check up on them, even if they would give us the old transmission back. I am kinda with joe on this, doesnt make sense you would not have one bad clue before then POOF its all bad. Thats why I didnt really listen to AAMCO when they said my whole tranny was shot, the evidence just didnt bear. If you have given us all the clues - mind you transmission only like harsh shifts, slipping when you put your foot in it, delays in shifts (which you state none), then I think your search for a reliable guy is still on. I suggest two things, talk to the guy at Valve Body Pro and explain what is happening, ignore when talking to him anything to do with misfire - unless he leads you that way. Someone like that (business is specialize on the valve body) may have seen this before. Also, contact Lincoln in Detroit (use Lincoln Website). They have a team thats dedicated for Lincoln owners past and present. They should be able to offer a clue as well because they would have a dealer service database to review.
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I guess I could tow it to another shop and pay $99 for the diagnosis. I did locate a used transmission with 80k on it for $500 plus $150 shipping that comes from a reputable yard based out of Arizona, although I'm not exactly sure where the transmission will be coming from. $550 labor plus $100 in fluids and new filter. I need to decide by Monday.
 
ErnieG22 said:
I actually called the Valve Body guy in San Jose on Friday and the tech that called me back was extremely polite and helpful. He stated that my issue would most definitely be "internal" and doesn't indicate anything electrical from what I described to him. I guess they only deal with the "valve body" and nothing else, but he was very helpful.
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Well thats kind of good. Internal could mean two things, did they say? Internal should most likely be the guts, with the bands and gears and such. The valve body and solenoid are inside the bottom though - which is internal. If you think the guy from valve body meant the guts, and maybe Paul might have a 'Gut' feeling, then I doubt going to another shop for full diag would matter. It may be time to grab the used but again, I certainly would NOT put it in without the solenoid, shift kit etc. Replacing the filter they are in that area anyhow.

edit: I will clarify why I say that again. Those are the two things that took care of mine and went at somewhere around 90k on the car with grandma driving it. Have a receipt that mentioned it then. The solenoid is 350ish the kit 100ish so that left basically 500 dollars of my bill was labor and such. If the tranny is out, and the pan is off for the filter anyway, then there should only be a couple of hours extra labor which is far from the full 5 for a full redo later.
 
Just remember that the used transmission could have all kinds of problems. There is no way for the junkyard to really know how it was working before.
 
grizzlyls said:
Well thats kind of good. Internal could mean two things, did they say? Internal should most likely be the guts, with the bands and gears and such. The valve body and solenoid are inside the bottom though - which is internal. If you think the guy from valve body meant the guts, and maybe Paul might have a 'Gut' feeling, then I doubt going to another shop for full diag would matter. It may be time to grab the used but again, I certainly would NOT put it in without the solenoid, shift kit etc. Replacing the filter they are in that area anyhow.
edit: I will clarify why I say that again. Those are the two things that took care of mine and went at somewhere around 90k on the car with grandma driving it. Have a receipt that mentioned it then. The solenoid is 350ish the kit 100ish so that left basically 500 dollars of my bill was labor and such. If the tranny is out, and the pan is off for the filter anyway, then there should only be a couple of hours extra labor which is far from the full 5 for a full redo later.
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Good information. I'll contact Paul today ask about the additional labor costs associated with a shift kit and solenoid. I may just gamble and go with the used tranny if the labor is going to be another $500.
 
grizzlyls said:
Well thats kind of good. Internal could mean two things, did they say? Internal should most likely be the guts, with the bands and gears and such. The valve body and solenoid are inside the bottom though - which is internal. If you think the guy from valve body meant the guts, and maybe Paul might have a 'Gut' feeling, then I doubt going to another shop for full diag would matter. It may be time to grab the used but again, I certainly would NOT put it in without the solenoid, shift kit etc. Replacing the filter they are in that area anyhow.

edit: I will clarify why I say that again. Those are the two things that took care of mine and went at somewhere around 90k on the car with grandma driving it. Have a receipt that mentioned it then. The solenoid is 350ish the kit 100ish so that left basically 500 dollars of my bill was labor and such. If the tranny is out, and the pan is off for the filter anyway, then there should only be a couple of hours extra labor which is far from the full 5 for a full redo later.
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Talked to Paul and asked him about replacing the shift kit and solenoid and he recommended purchasing the transmission with 60k and nothing additional. Just an update. Except for the filter and fluid of course.
 
In theory, a 60k tranny should be in reasonable shape. Specifying the theory. Like Joe said, no way to know. If Paul is willing to work with you on a good price if either of those fail in the near future, you could get away cheaper right now. Up to you at this point.
 
grizzlyls said:
In theory, a 60k tranny should be in reasonable shape. Specifying the theory. Like Joe said, no way to know. If Paul is willing to work with you on a good price if either of those fail in the near future, you could get away cheaper right now. Up to you at this point.
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Good point. I will inquire with Paul. I think I'll take my chances and purchase the 60k transmission.
 
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