2004 Lincoln LS gas smell

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Hey everyone, I’ve been reading a lot of posts on here since we bought our 2004 Lincoln LS V6 a week ago. It only has 68,000 miles on it. Here is some background and what’s already been done.

After buying the vehicle and driving it about 100 miles non stop on the interstate the gas gauge started showing empty (it was not empty). About 120 miles later the vehicle had a significant decrease in power, it dropped to about 1,000 rpm and when I pressed the gas it dropped further to 500 rpm. I was able to “limp” to a gas station and filled it up. Had no further issues for the remainder of the trip.
The next morning after driving for about 2 miles a very strong gasoline smell was evident inside the vehicle and coming out of the exhaust. A code reader showed a fuel pump code and a fuel pressure regulator code.
After a lot of research, I replaced the coil packs, spark plugs, PCV valve, fuel pressure regulator sensor, and intake manifold gaskets and did an oil change because the oil had a very strong smell of gasoline. The pcv valve was definitely bad. There was zero tension on the spring.
After a good test drive the gas smell was gone from the exhaust and the car was running great, but the gasoline smell was still evident under the back seat and outside the vehicle by the driver side rear door. The previous owner claims they replaced the fuel pump and I believe that they at least messed with them since the blue pump rings were cleaned and the tops of the pumps were clean.
After climbing under the rear of the vehicle I saw what I believe to be an evap hose coming down the front of the fuel tank was clogged with dirt. I cleared the clog.
The vehicle was then driven over 800 miles nonstop on the interstate, but we kept the fuel tank at above half full the whole way (fuel gauge has not acted up since the first time). No gas smell, vehicle ran excellent the whole trip.
Vehicle was driven another 160 miles the next day but we wanted to test the fuel issue so we let it dip to a quarter of a tank. Again no issues. Filled it up and drove it another 20 miles. Vehicle sat for several hours and was then driven a short distance to run an errand. After getting home, the gas smell from the exterior around the back doors had returned. Still no smell in exhaust, no warning lights and the car runs great.
My gut tells me it’s an evap system issue, but it’s not throwing any codes.

What do you guys think the issue is? There’s no evidence of a fuel leak and because the smell is intermittent I really don’t think it’s a fuel leak.

Thanks in advance for your insight.
 
lots of things going on here. where is the car from? this may even happen near the ocean. pin hole leaks in fuel filler neck. it may be rotted at the bottom. I have spare good boot, in that case, I want money for that boot if parting with it. you may have to contact 30 junk yards, parts locator, the search is a nightmare.
 
Hey everyone, I’ve been reading a lot of posts on here since we bought our 2004 Lincoln LS V6 a week ago. It only has 68,000 miles on it. Here is some background and what’s already been done.

After buying the vehicle and driving it about 100 miles non stop on the interstate the gas gauge started showing empty (it was not empty). About 120 miles later the vehicle had a significant decrease in power, it dropped to about 1,000 rpm and when I pressed the gas it dropped further to 500 rpm. I was able to “limp” to a gas station and filled it up. Had no further issues for the remainder of the trip.
The next morning after driving for about 2 miles a very strong gasoline smell was evident inside the vehicle and coming out of the exhaust. A code reader showed a fuel pump code and a fuel pressure regulator code.
After a lot of research, I replaced the coil packs, spark plugs, PCV valve, fuel pressure regulator sensor, and intake manifold gaskets and did an oil change because the oil had a very strong smell of gasoline. The pcv valve was definitely bad. There was zero tension on the spring.
After a good test drive the gas smell was gone from the exhaust and the car was running great, but the gasoline smell was still evident under the back seat and outside the vehicle by the driver side rear door. The previous owner claims they replaced the fuel pump and I believe that they at least messed with them since the blue pump rings were cleaned and the tops of the pumps were clean.
After climbing under the rear of the vehicle I saw what I believe to be an evap hose coming down the front of the fuel tank was clogged with dirt. I cleared the clog.
The vehicle was then driven over 800 miles nonstop on the interstate, but we kept the fuel tank at above half full the whole way (fuel gauge has not acted up since the first time). No gas smell, vehicle ran excellent the whole trip.
Vehicle was driven another 160 miles the next day but we wanted to test the fuel issue so we let it dip to a quarter of a tank. Again no issues. Filled it up and drove it another 20 miles. Vehicle sat for several hours and was then driven a short distance to run an errand. After getting home, the gas smell from the exterior around the back doors had returned. Still no smell in exhaust, no warning lights and the car runs great.
My gut tells me it’s an evap system issue, but it’s not throwing any codes.

What do you guys think the issue is? There’s no evidence of a fuel leak and because the smell is intermittent I really don’t think it’s a fuel leak.

Thanks in advance for your insight.
I would crawl under the rear of the car and put my sniffer everywhere and see if i could locate exactly where that gas smell is coming from. If the previous owner said they replaced the fuel pump you may want to lower the tank so you can double check that everythings still connected like its supposed to be. While you have it down you can go over the evap system as well. The evap system may not have any vaccum on it or it has very little which is probly why you don't have any codes so i would check the vaccum on that as well. I had to clean that same hose you mentioned was stopped up on you'res when i bought my 06 LS but i have never smelled any gas. Good Luck with you're new ride they're alot of fun.
 
The big red flag is your symptoms AND the previous owner "changed" the fuel pump. You need to remove the back seat and see if the guy broke the ring or other plastic parts in that area. Here is the fuel pump assembly and I have circled the plastic retaining rings that hold the pump assemblies into the tank. I see you have inspected the area but I would remove the retainers and pull the pumps to inspect it all.

They have seals (Green seals in the picture) and the blue plastic rings can be broken as well but there is a special tool to remove them. IF your careful I have tapped the rings loose using a small punch but be aware this is now all old plastic and is fragile. Many times the hose connections on top are messed up too.

Lincoln LS Fuel Pump Assembly.jpg


Next it sounds to me like they dropped or left some hoses dis-connected inside the gas tank. The car has a fuel pump that also runs what's called the jet pump. This allows the system to keep both sides of the gas tank even. The jet pumps only function is to pump gas from one side of the tank to the other. It does not pump fuel to the engine.

What happened to you is when the hose or hoses to the jet pump have been unhooked or screwed up in some way. Your effectively running on only half a fuel tank. People have lived with this for years by doing what you found out. Keep the tank full and you will never see that problem.

I am afraid you need to be prepared for a mess under the rear seat! There are access ports so do NOT lower the tank unless you absolutely need to!

Lincoln LS Fuel Pump Access Holes1.jpg


Post back with what you find.
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We recently had the gas smell inside of our 2003 LS Sport. On the passenger side under the rear seat as the photo here shows, there was a small crack in the plastic top of the fuel pump and fuel was sitting on top. We replaced the fuel pump and our gas gauge has never showed correctly since. We opened it up again and tried moving the hoses that run from the passenger side to drivers side but didn't help. My mechanic checked using some kind of reader tool (forget what is was called) and said the fuel gauge shows working. I guess we could try and replace it with another fuel pump as it has warranty. Bought one from Rock Auto first, didn't work at all so had to run to o'reilly auto and pay twice the price as it was the only thing local I could find nearby.
 
The big red flag is your symptoms AND the previous owner "changed" the fuel pump. You need to remove the back seat and see if the guy broke the ring or other plastic parts in that area. Here is the fuel pump assembly and I have circled the plastic retaining rings that hold the pump assemblies into the tank. I see you have inspected the area but I would remove the retainers and pull the pumps to inspect it all.

They have seals (Green seals in the picture) and the blue plastic rings can be broken as well but there is a special tool to remove them. IF your careful I have tapped the rings loose using a small punch but be aware this is now all old plastic and is fragile. Many times the hose connections on top are messed up too.

View attachment 828579462

Next it sounds to me like they dropped or left some hoses dis-connected inside the gas tank. The car has a fuel pump that also runs what's called the jet pump. This allows the system to keep both sides of the gas tank even. The jet pumps only function is to pump gas from one side of the tank to the other. It does not pump fuel to the engine.

What happened to you is when the hose or hoses to the jet pump have been unhooked or screwed up in some way. Your effectively running on only half a fuel tank. People have lived with this for years by doing what you found out. Keep the tank full and you will never see that problem.

I am afraid you need to be prepared for a mess under the rear seat! There are access ports so do NOT lower the tank unless you absolutely need to!

View attachment 828579461

Post back with what you find.
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Thanks for the detailed post. I’m going out of town for a week, but when I get back I will be tackling this. You aren’t the first person to mention the jet pump hoses. I have a feeling that may be the culprit. I’ll update once I get back from my trip.
 
I would crawl under the rear of the car and put my sniffer everywhere and see if i could locate exactly where that gas smell is coming from. If the previous owner said they replaced the fuel pump you may want to lower the tank so you can double check that everythings still connected like it’s supposed to be. While you have it down you can go over the evap system as well. The evap system may not have any vaccum on it or it has very little which is probly why you don't have any codes so i would check the vaccum on that as well. I had to clean that same hose you mentioned was stopped up on you'res when i bought my 06 LS but i have never smelled any gas. Good Luck with your new ride they're alot of fun.
Thanks for the reply. I’m going tout of town for a week but when I get back I will be tackling this to find out the issue. I’ll definitely purely check the vacuum on the evap system. That makes sense especially since I already found one clogged hose. I’ll post an update when I’ve made some progress.
 
lots of things going on here. where is the car from? this may even happen near the ocean. pin hole leaks in fuel filler neck. it may be rotted at the bottom. I have spare good boot, in that case, I want money for that boot if parting with it. you may have to contact 30 junk yards, parts locator, the search is a nightmare.
Thanks for the offer. Once I determine the cause I may take you up on that.
 

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