$4-5K budget

Doc

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What would you do motor wise if you had 4-5 thousand to spend on your motor? Would you buy a new motor, turbo, or supercharge? Lets not turn this into a typical LVC knock down drag out fight about who is right or wrong.:mad: I just am curious and have the funds to do this.:D


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Doc
 
The problem is you need to start with a built motor to go wild with either turbo or supercharging. That alone will exceed the budget. :eek:

But if it were mine, I would put the money in a low psi turbo setup that the stock engine could reliably live with.
 
are we talking a totally stock car?

you put all the money into the engine and then you have to worry about other things failing down the line. I suppose it really depends on what you are looking for. Personally I say do the rear end, build the tranny, and then spray it. I did similar things in my other cars when I was younger. Put a more powerful engine in, screwed up the tranny (3 times :rolleyes: ), built the tranny, then had rear end problems and couldn't stilck the power to the pavement.
 
Jibit said:
are we talking a totally stock car?

you put all the money into the engine and then you have to worry about other things failing down the line. I suppose it really depends on what you are looking for. Personally I say do the rear end, build the tranny, and then spray it. I did similar things in my other cars when I was younger. Put a more powerful engine in, screwed up the tranny (3 times :rolleyes: ), built the tranny, then had rear end problems and couldn't stilck the power to the pavement.


Do you mean rebuild the tranny and rear end or build up both? I like the gears the way they are as far as fianal drive ratio goes. I live in a place with wide open spaces.
 
I have learned that you should beef up the car befor you go with the power, do the suspension then the drivetrain. Then last but not least do the the engine, if you have already then go for the gusto!
 
So all things being done. Now just the motor needs to be done. 4-5K which direction would you go?
 
I would go for some gears in the rear end, If you like the gearing now then leve that alone. Get a good chip, J mod and shift kit for the trans, Maybe a 100 shot on the engine along with a new fuel pump and a good tune up. Then go from there.
 
You can have a healthy built supercharged engine, healthy beefed trans, and beefed rear, for 5 thou. If you can't accomplish it with 5 thou you either didn't do research or you were in a big hurry.

www.svtperformance.com

www.ebay.com

Go with an SCT chip.

Start with a mark viii block.

Sell your current working engine

Sell your current working trans

Block bore/hone 300
Block 300
Rotating assy 1200
Heads 800
Lower manifold 400
Eaton M112 3-400
Trans $700, contact me for contact info

Fuel pump, fuel rails, chip, hoses, accessories, etc is what will add up

You can accomplish it with 5 thou.

However I'd start with things such as the trans rear and fuel pump then start collecting parts instead of trying to do the whole job at once from scratch so it doesn't get overwhelming and expensive.
 
Doc said:
What would this give me in RWHP?

600 is safe to say if you add nitrous. Sounds like you need to do some research.. just watch the 03-04 cobra guys, all in all it's the same exact drivetrain, whatever they can do so can you. But in Wyoming your resources for assistance probably suck.
 
$5k is not gonna get you 600rwhp not matter how good your internet kung fu is.
I just did that this past year and I do get lots of deals here in the D.
You're forgetting a lot of vital parts especially when talking about using m112 eaton.
No sprayed eaton car has seen 600 yet either.
 
poniesviii said:
600 is safe to say if you add nitrous. Sounds like you need to do some research.. just watch the 03-04 cobra guys, all in all it's the same exact drivetrain, whatever they can do so can you. But in Wyoming your resources for assistance probably suck.

Yes they do suck:( So my plan is to buy a motor and have the things done to it that are needed. Who do I talk to about this? I will just have to deal with shipping. I like the body style and will stick with it. I am basically looking for a strong crate motor. How will this affect my budget?
 
Doc said:
What would you do motor wise if you had 4-5 thousand to spend on your motor? Would you buy a new motor, turbo, or supercharge?

You don't say what you want as an end result.

A fast street car that is loud?

A sleeper with decent performance?

All-out strip car?

Ya got to start there. What do you want.

Then you need to ask what 'kind' of performance you want.

Do you like to drag race from a stop?

Do you like to run from 60 to 100 time to time?

Do you want a dyno queen that sits in the garage?

Now after that analysis, you can start on your goals.

To do some performance upgrades on the cheap, you can do things like this.

Rear end. Leave it stock if you like to run the higher speeds only.

If you like to drag from a dig, you need to put some short of trac-loc in the rear end with at least 3:73's to 4:10's for better launches.

Soft tires with a AAA traction rating will be a must also. 255 series would help a bit more.

Moving towards the front.

Might as well put in a new fuel pump. Walbro or Focus seem to be the best bets for the Mark.

The stock driveshaft has its own problems with balance as is. If you stay with the stock gearing, leave it. New gears = new shaft unless you like to rattle your teeth which will get real old fast.

Transmission wise - cheapest route to go is the j-mod. Quickening the stock shift performance will add alot more longevity. That would be a must at the very least. A full-blown set of new clutches with a j-mod should set you up for whatever power gains you are looking for.

Motor - again depends on what your expectations are.

N/A route on your budget....
Daily driven street car? Pull your motor and have some new grinds put in. Higher compression pistons with rods and some new cams are almost a must if are trying to decent N/A power. You can pick up 25 horse with a Cobra intake over stock. You can pick up some decent power with some shorties and a decent 2-1/4 to 2-1/2 exhaust.

Power Adder route...

A dry-kit nitrous is the cheapest way to go if you are just looking for a burst of adrenaline now and again. Not much else to best except fuel pump, chip, injectors and the sauce.

If you are going to do a power adder, I'd just do a Vortech setup and leave the motor alone. Run it at 6-8 psi and enjoy until the motor gives it up. Then you can rebuild it.

Turbo...big money until someone makes a kit and can knock off 5 or more kits from a jig setup.

Twin-screw...pick up the Kenne Bell kit for the 4.6 4V. It is not intercooled and the 1.5L unit is only good for 400 rwhp tops but that should fit your budget if you don't touch the engine.

Got to run. All the time I have. Good luck with whatever you end up doing.
 
I tell you guys what, why don't you write a book! No way can anything be accomplished that YOU haven't seen right! Lol.
 
"...Lets not turn this into a typical LVC knock down drag out fight about who is right or wrong."

Your reading skills obviously lag behind your fantasy dreams.
 
I am looking for a sleeper with decent performance that I can run 75- 140 from time to time. I do that now but would like to do it with more authority.
 
driller said:
"...Lets not turn this into a typical LVC knock down drag out fight about who is right or wrong."

.... so why say this..

driller said:
Your reading skills obviously lag behind your fantasy dreams.

Come on guys, you don't need to rip on me by opening your mouth when you simply don't know.

Here's a 03 cobra STOCK internal 18 lb KB 2.2 no-nitrous, on it's FIRST dyno run on the setup. The same exact car just ridded of the eaton which produced 612RWHP STD with nitrous.

Higher numbers are race fuel, lowers are pump gas.

DSC00049.jpg


Are you going to contine tell me I can't make 600 RWHP with a BUILT and FORGED 4.6, via an EATON, and nitrous? A 4.6 can make 600 rwhp on nitrous alone. Get educated.

There's no argument about facts.
 
poniesviii said:
Are you going to contine tell me I can't make 600 RWHP with a BUILT and FORGED 4.6, via an EATON, and nitrous? A 4.6 can make 600 rwhp on nitrous alone. Get educated.

There's no argument about facts.

First off, we're not talking mustangs. :p

Second, I don't believe $4-$5K is going to buy my Mark VIII a built and forged 4.6 with an eaton blower and a nitrous setup.

Third, I am educated. :D
 
So much for not fighting huh? I will leave you to figure this out amongst yourselves. Thanks for the help. I really do mean that! :) I was able to glean some useful info from your replies untill it as usual went south.
 
There are those who TALK about how much it takes, and then there are those of us who KNOW how much it takes.

We're not arguing the Mark 4.6 can't make 600+ HP. We're arguing you can't do it properly under 5 grand.

Forged rotating assembly: 2300 (give or take)
Block work: 300
Autorotor blower. 2.2, 2.8, whatever. 3000+
Fuel System to support your shiny new power adder: 1500

That right there is 7100 smackers. Let's not talk about miscellaneous hardware, like head studs, bolts, maybe a cobra oil pump, solid rubber motor mounts, , maybe supporting hardware like Torque converter, (cause we all know how good the stock converter is), tranny, driveshaft, half shafts, and lord knows what else.

Can you make a mark 4.6 put out 600HP under 5 grand? Yeah, I guess ultimately you could if you skimped on such silly things like forged internals, and headwork. Will it live long, and will the supporting components live long? doubtful.
 

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