$4-5K budget

ok poniesviii lets see here we (they) have said that no EATON car has made 600 hp right? right! then you go and post how that stang put down 612 hp with a KB blower right? RIGHT! ok im not the sharpest tool in the shead when it comes to these things but even i know that a KB blower will out power the STOCK EATON right? RIGHT AGAIN! point proven that you know less than i do or atleast i can read!

no one here has said ANY thing about a KB powered car we all know they can put down some numbers but the KB blower is a bigger unit then the stock eaton is. it must be bigger and put down more power then the stock EATON does or it would not be a UPGRADE right? now corect me if im wrong but im pretty sure im not too wrong about this.
 
So it happens I have an eaton mark viii and I built it myself. It was cheap but it wasn't $5k.

Penis pump ? WTF ? Is that what you call superchargers down there in Houston ?

Time to change your sig to penisviii. You seem to know all about them pumps, I mean blowers.
 
rice cooker said:
ok poniesviii lets see here we (they) have said that no EATON car has made 600 hp right? right! then you go and post how that stang put down 612 hp with a KB blower right? RIGHT! ok im not the sharpest tool in the shead when it comes to these things but even i know that a KB blower will out power the STOCK EATON right? RIGHT AGAIN! point proven that you know less than i do or atleast i can read!

no one here has said ANY thing about a KB powered car we all know they can put down some numbers but the KB blower is a bigger unit then the stock eaton is. it must be bigger and put down more power then the stock EATON does or it would not be a UPGRADE right? now corect me if im wrong but im pretty sure im not too wrong about this.
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I never said a KB car put down 612. The dyno sheet says the KB car put down more that that on it's first dyno run. Atleast you can read!
 
m_maker said:
So it happens I have an eaton mark viii and I built it myself. It was cheap but it wasn't $5k.

Penis pump ? WTF ? Is that what you call superchargers down there in Houston ?

Time to change your sig to penisviii. You seem to know all about them pumps, I mean blowers.
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You and your car are God huh. Real cool. Yeah you have an Eaton mark viii. I doubt I'd be happy with how it was done.
 
Frogman said:
There are those who TALK about how much it takes, and then there are those of us who KNOW how much it takes.

We're not arguing the Mark 4.6 can't make 600+ HP. We're arguing you can't do it properly under 5 grand.

Forged rotating assembly: 2300 (give or take)
Block work: 300
Autorotor blower. 2.2, 2.8, whatever. 3000+
Fuel System to support your shiny new power adder: 1500

That right there is 7100 smackers. Let's not talk about miscellaneous hardware, like head studs, bolts, maybe a cobra oil pump, solid rubber motor mounts, , maybe supporting hardware like Torque converter, (cause we all know how good the stock converter is), tranny, driveshaft, half shafts, and lord knows what else.

Can you make a mark 4.6 put out 600HP under 5 grand? Yeah, I guess ultimately you could if you skimped on such silly things like forged internals, and headwork. Will it live long, and will the supporting components live long? doubtful.
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You see down your tunnel, ok. I'm not trying to have anything against anyone. I post something, and all of a sudden I'm the dumbass. Resources are everywhere. Knowledge is everywhere. Especially in Houston. It doesn't mean nobody in the rest of the country can't succeed at a reliable unskimped 600 rwhp in a mark viii. Get off the farms and out to see what the rest of the world is doing. These are mod motors, 14 years old. Knowledge and resources are plentiful. I'm sorry you spent so much when you didn't have to. It seems you decide to fix up your car, and all of a sudden you know everything. I don't care what you know, but I will prove to spectators nobody has to follow your path. As far as your estimates for parts, you're on crack. I'm done, you guys have your fun!
 
Frogman said:
:rolleyes:

and they are more like 16 years old, not 14. :p
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Why don't you get your badass turbo car done, add up your reciepts, Go ahead and round down. ;) Calculators at walmart should do correct math.

Weigh it, round down. :p (a grain elevator has these)

Throw it on a dyno, round WAY up. :rolleyes: (if you can find one)

Take note of your odometer until the one year mark, round up. :shifty:

And we'll compare. :D lol.
 
poniesviii said:
Why don't you get your badass turbo car done, add up your reciepts, Go ahead and round down. ;) Calculators at walmart should do correct math.

Weigh it, round down. :p (a grain elevator has these)

Throw it on a dyno, round WAY up. :rolleyes: (if you can find one)

Take note of your odometer until the one year mark, round up. :shifty:

And we'll compare. :D lol.
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Dude, your gonna lose this argument.
 
poniesviii said:
You and your car are God huh. Real cool. Yeah you have an Eaton mark viii. I doubt I'd be happy with how it was done.
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I have seen and driven that particular Eaton Mark VIII. I don't know how much it cost, but I doubt you can duplicate it for the suggested budget. The owner is not God, but he is a great guy and I'd be extremely happy to own his car even if it does not have 600 RWHP.

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Meanwhile, back in Houston... :shifty:
 
driller said:
I have seen and driven that particular Eaton Mark VIII. I don't know how much it cost, but I doubt you can duplicate it for the suggested budget. The owner is not God, but he is a great guy and I'd be extremely happy to own his car even if it does not have 600 RWHP.

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Meanwhile, back in Houston... :shifty:
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I have driven the same car!!! :D


Ponies....... You are completely in the wrong on this matter. I don't care how you think you can get 600 Hp out of a modular engine for 5K. It will NOT be done right. You will have to skimp on things that will sacrifice overall strength.

Little tidbit of information.....

302 short block from VT engines....4,000
C heads Hogged, blower cams and oversized valves...1,500 at least.
Terminator timing cover, lower intake, intercooler, front accesories, and all other supporting hardware ....2000 prolly more once I'm done
KB 2.8L twinscrew...3300
Other Misc crap, I have budgeted another grand.


As you can see......


Close to 12K for the engine alone. Could I skimp on things to make it cheaper? YES I could, but I don't want to be ripping everything back apart once I go full throttle under 28 LBS of boost because I threw a connecting rod through the oil pan. I alos did not take into account aftermarket cams. I'm not sure if I'm going that route, or stay with stock hardware for now. I'll have to see when the time comes.

I'm not even gonna get started on the cost of the T56 swap over, the roll cage, or the brake upgrades.

Wanna keep going? There are alot of people what have this kinda money in thier cars, and would prolly be more than happy to share.
 
I probably have 10K invested into my car and I haven't touched the engine yet!

Sorry, just wanted to get into this thread again, actually surprised you guys are wasting your breathe over this discussion, just let people read and believe what they want, if they listen to someone and do something wrong, its their problem
 
Hi remember me me? I am the guy that started this thread. All I wanted to know was what to do with 4-5k in the motor only. Not if I could get 600 rwhp or any set amount. I did ask what my net might be but that was all. Some of us here just want advice. I look to you guy's and girls for information, tips, and camaraderie.
Peace to you all this holiday season!!!
 
Doc said:
Hi remember me me?
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hey, yeah, I remember you! :p

don't mind the thread, just friendly bickering for the most part amongst the guys. Just a matter of reading as much as you can and making up your own mind on what you want to do
 
Doc said:
Hi remember me me? I am the guy that started this thread. All I wanted to know was what to do with 4-5k in the motor only.
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Based on what you just said, I would go with a j-mod set to the 450 hp level which will give very firm shifts and then install a Vortech which will shine at the higher speeds you want to operate in.

Leave the rear end stock with the stock gears (3:07 or 3:27).

Maybe do some exhaust work for sound quality and a little freer flow.

I would upgrade to 42 lb injectors although you don't absolutely have to and put on the centrifugal blower. You will also need a chip with a tune or a full fledged dyno tune.

You will have a fast highway car that won't be so fast off the line but that doesn't seem to be your concern.

Keep the blower around 6, maybe 8 psi max and if your motor is in decent shape (wouldn't be a bad idea to do a compression check first), then run it till something gives.

If you are not up and downshifting, the tranny should be fine. You won't be breaking any halfshafts. You won't be doing 1 tire fire shows at 70 mph.

You'll probably wind up around 325 rwhp which will be like night and day from where you are now and this will neatly fit into your budget without too much pain. You can probalby pick up a 2nd gen intake for next to nothing or for more, a Cobra unit to make the install easier.

Not everybody wants or needs a race car on the edge. Sounds to me like you just want to be able to beat most cars on the road that you typically encounter.

I think my advice moves you to that goal. It is only my opinion so put that in your pipe as you smoke all of what's been said here and don't worry about the keyboard posturing:rolleyes: , it goes with the territory, here, and on most boards.
 
MonsterMark said:
I think my advice moves you to that goal. It is only my opinion so put that in your pipe as you smoke all of what's been said here and don't worry about the keyboard posturing:rolleyes: , it goes with the territory, here, and on most boards.
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don't listen to him, he has no idea what he's talking about!:facesjump

I think the injectors and rails should be fine, otherwise I agree. I'm hoping you're doing all the work cause that's what all this is based off of!

actually, another thing to think about is if you plan on doing any other upgrades in the future. I didn't think things through far enough and spent money on things I shouldn't have and will have to change later on.
 
Sorry for the rant earlier doc.


With that kind of money, I would.....


Rear gear/driveshaft upgrade ~ 1000
J-mod to 450 level prolly 200 in parts and materials
do some scouring around, and find some e-deals on cobra intake parts then get an s-trim vortech, and have yourself a ball.

You might go over a little, but in this mod game, I seem to go over budget everytime I do something.

Mike
 
Try this approach. J mod tranny, trac lok, new 4.10 or 4.30 Gears, new drive shaft, new Coba hubs all around, new calipers (painted multi piston), new rotors, new Wheels and tires (Cobra or other style). If there is still any money left get a Dyno tune. The car will definitely drive better, look better, and best of all stop better.

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Roadboss said:
Try this approach. J mod tranny, trac lok, new 4.10 or 4.30 Gears, new drive shaft, new Coba hubs all around, new calipers (painted multi piston), new rotors, new Wheels and tires (Cobra or other style). If there is still any money left get a Dyno tune. The car will definitely drive better, look better, and best of all stop better.
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And that's why you show off your blower! :p
 
It makes me laugh when people on this board defend a bad/wrong position until the death, simply because of their pride, and not because they have a real grasp of what is going on.


There is no way you can build a 600 rwhp modular for $5000. Period.

Moreover, it would be difficult to build a 600 rwhp anything for that amount of money unless it already came with most of the parts to do it. (e.g. '03/'04 Cobra)

Paul.
 
Doc said:
What would you do motor wise if you had 4-5 thousand to spend on your motor? Would you buy a new motor, turbo, or supercharge? Lets not turn this into a typical LVC knock down drag out fight about who is right or wrong.:mad: I just am curious and have the funds to do this.:D Happy Holidays to all!!! Doc
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Unless some of you have failed remedial reading class, let's get back to the subject at hand. Read above. That is exactly what Doc asked. He has 4-5 thousand to spend on a motor. He wants to know if he should build up the motor by itself or add a power-adder. Pretty simple question if you ask me.

He didn't ask if he should do this with the tranny or do that with the rear end. You can put a blower on it and run it until things blow up and then deal with it if you like.

The guy just wants to remove his speed limiter and make some occasional high speed passes. (Hope he lives out in the desert and has the best tires money can buy).

He never said anything about a 600 rwhp car so let's get on subject. Either you have some advice on how he should spend his $5000 to get the most bang for the buck or you don't.

Sheesh!
 
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