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49 MILLION TO FIVE
June 3, 2009

In the wake of the shooting of late-term abortionist George Tiller, President Barack Obama sent out a welcome message that this nation would not tolerate attacks on pro-lifers or any other Americans because of their religion or beliefs.

Ha ha! Just kidding. That was the lead sentence -- with minor edits -- of a New York Times editorial warning about theoretical hate crimes against Muslims published eight months after 9/11. Can pro-lifers get a hate crimes bill passed and oceans of ink devoted to assuring Americans that "most pro-lifers are peaceful"?

For years, we've had to hear about the grave threat that Americans might overreact to a terrorist attack committed by 19 Muslims shouting "Allahu akbar" as they flew commercial jets into American skyscrapers. That would be the equivalent of 19 pro-lifers shouting "Abortion kills a beating heart!" as they gunned down thousands of innocent citizens in Wichita, Kan.

Why aren't liberals rushing to assure us this time that "most pro-lifers are peaceful"? Unlike Muslims, pro-lifers actually are peaceful.

According to recent polling, a majority of Americans oppose abortion -- which is consistent with liberals' hysterical refusal to allow us to vote on the subject. In a country with approximately 150 million pro-lifers, five abortionists have been killed since Roe v. Wade.

In that same 36 years, more than 49 million babies have been killed by abortionists. Let's recap that halftime score, sports fans: 49 million to five.

Meanwhile, fewer than 2 million Muslims live in America and, while Muslims are less murderous than abortionists, I'm fairly certain they've killed more than five people in the United States in the last 36 years. For some reason, the number "3,000" keeps popping into my head.

So in a country that is more than 50 percent pro-life -- and 80 percent opposed to the late-term abortions of the sort performed by Tiller -- only five abortionists have been killed. And in a country that is less than 0.5 percent Muslim, several dozen Muslims have killed thousands of Americans.

But the killing of about one abortionist per decade leads liberals to condemn the entire pro-life movement as "domestic terrorists." At least liberals have finally found some terrorists they'd like to send to Guantanamo.

Tiller bragged about performing 60,000 abortions, including abortions of viable babies, able to survive outside the mother's womb. He made millions of dollars performing late-term abortions so gruesome that only two other abortionists -- not a squeamish bunch -- in the entire country would perform them.

Kansas law allows late-term abortions only to save the mother's life or to prevent "irreversible physical damage" to the mother. But Tiller was more than happy to kill viable babies, provided the mothers: (1) forked over $5,000; and (2) mentioned "substantial and irreversible conditions," which, in Tiller's view, apparently included not being able to go to concerts or rodeos or being "temporarily depressed" on account of their pregnancies.

In return for blood money from Tiller's profitable abattoir, Democrats ran a political protection racket for the late-term abortionist.

In 1997, The Washington Post reported that Tiller attended one of Bill Clinton's White House coffees for major campaign contributors. In addition to a $25,000 donation to Clinton, Tiller wanted to thank him personally for 30 months of U.S. Marshals' protection paid for by the U.S. taxpayer.

Kansas Democrats who received hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars from Tiller repeatedly intervened to block any interference with Tiller's abortion mill.

Kathleen Sebelius, who was the governor of Kansas until Obama made her Health and Human Services Secretary, received hundreds of thousands of campaign dollars from Tiller. Sebelius vetoed one bill restricting late-term abortions and another one that would have required Tiller to turn over his records pertaining to "substantial and irreversible conditions" justifying his late-term abortions.

Kansas Attorney General Paul Morrison also got elected with the help of Tiller's blood money, replacing a Republican attorney general who was in the middle of an investigation of Tiller for various crimes including his failure to report statutory rapes, despite performing abortions on pregnant girls as young as 11.

But soon after Morrison replaced the Republican attorney general, the charges against Tiller were reduced and, in short order, he was acquitted of a few misdemeanors. In what is a not uncommon cost of doing business with Democrats, Morrison is now gone, having been forced to resign when his mistress charged him with sexual harassment and corruption.

Tiller was protected not only by a praetorian guard of elected Democrats, but also by the protective coloration of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America -- coincidentally, the same church belonged to by Tiller's fellow Wichita executioner, the BTK killer.

The official Web page of the ELCA instructs: "A developing life in the womb does not have an absolute right to be born." As long as we're deciding who does and doesn't have an "absolute right to be born," who's to say late-term abortionists have an "absolute right" to live?

I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists?

Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one.

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Closed Clinic Leaves Abortion Protesters at a Loss

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/us/08wichita.html?ref=global-home

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Steve Hebert/Atlas Press for The New York Times
The protests against Wichita's late-term abortion provider continued after Dr. George R. Tiller’s death, including at his funeral.

By MONICA DAVEY
Published: June 7, 2009
WICHITA, Kan. — For the first time in years, only a Wichita police car has been waiting outside the abortion clinic of Dr. George R. Tiller, who was shot to death a week ago. Gone are the trucks bearing enormous images of bloody fetuses, the signs offering the home addresses of clinic workers, the crowd of protesters yelling to women as they enter.

Over almost 20 years, a vocal, diverse constellation of anti-abortion forces has grown up in this conservative city with an intensity rarely seen elsewhere, converging around Dr. Tiller’s practice. With his death, its future suddenly seems uncertain, too.
This city of 358,000 people, once the focal point of protests because of four abortion clinics — most significantly Dr. Tiller’s, which provided rare late-term abortions — last week had no abortion facility open for business, no target in chief, no immediate reason for this network of anti-abortion forces to be based here.
“I don’t know what the future holds,” said Troy Newman, the president of Operation Rescue, one of the most well-known anti-abortion organizations. Seven years ago, Mr. Newman moved his organization’s national headquarters, its leaders and his family from Southern California to Wichita to focus a national spotlight on Dr. Tiller, whom he described as “the flagship” of the country’s abortion business.
“I think it’s too early to say what comes next,” he said.
Although Operation Rescue worked for years to close down Dr. Tiller’s clinic, his death was never the outcome Mr. Newman wished for, he said. Of the man charged with killing Dr. Tiller, he tearfully said, “This idiot did more to damage the pro-life movement than you can imagine.”
Wichita has five separate operations aimed at discouraging women from having abortions. One of them, the Choices Medical Clinic, opened next door to Dr. Tiller’s now-closed offices in 1999 — after spending six years fighting city zoning rulings.
The Choices sign, facing into Dr. Tiller’s lot, promises “Free 4-D Sonogram.” The group’s Web site helps explain its reason for being: “Our location next door to a nationally recognized late-term abortionist provides us with even greater opportunities to serve mothers and their families at this critical point in their lives.”
Marilyn Manweiler, the group’s director of volunteer services, said last week that she knew of no immediate plans to move Choices. “At this point, we are here,” Ms. Manweiler said.
Since what is known here as the “Summer of Mercy,” when thousands of people from around the country converged here in 1991, blocking clinics and being arrested, the city has been a hot spot for the nation’s abortion debate and for an ever-shifting array of organization names, leaders, protesters and preferred tactics.
“There’s so much disagreement,” said Mark S. Gietzen, president of the Kansas Coalition for Life. Mr. Gietzen spent his time last week juggling calls from volunteers who wondered what would come of their regular shifts outside Dr. Tiller’s clinic, where they planted rows of crosses each day and tried to talk to women going in.
“If you went to a meeting, sometimes you would think the enemy was other pro-life people, not abortion,” he said.
Not all anti-abortion advocates, he said, favored the bloody “truth truck” (“Abortion is an ObamaNation,” it reads) parked outside his house or agreed on what protesters should call out to women going inside the clinic (obscenity-filled insults or offers of help) and how loudly.
Even now, Mr. Gietzen said, they were not of one mind about statements many groups here have issued condemning the killing of Dr. Tiller. “You can’t be pro-life and go around killing people, but some people are really mad at me for saying that,” he said.
In Kansas, battles have been waged endlessly over matters of morality — alcohol, gambling, cigarettes, the teaching of evolution, abortion. And Wichita, once a town popular with cattle drovers on their way from East Texas and now a manufacturing center for aircraft makers, has a solidly conservative, religious grounding.

Dr. Tiller’s clinic, which drew patients from all over the country, seemed unlikely ever to have landed here. But Dr. Tiller, 67, was born here and took over his father’s medical clinic in 1970 after he died in a plane crash.

The clinic drew sometimes violent objections all along (including a firebombing in 1986) but the “Summer of Mercy” turned what had previously been a mostly small-scale skirmish into a national battle.
The founder of Operation Rescue, Randall Terry (who is in a legal dispute with Mr. Newman over the use of the group’s name), helped draw thousands here to highlight the issue of late-term abortions and to block the clinic entrance for weeks. More than 2,000 people were arrested, and the efforts culminated with a rally of tens of thousands in the Wichita State stadium.
Afterward, abortion opponents flocked to Wichita. Over the years, tactics shifted. When blocking clinic entrances became a federal crime in 1994, some tried pointing out Dr. Tiller’s employees outside their favorite restaurants and churches. They also searched his workers’ trash for information, and appeared at his home and church.
Later, they turned to the courts, gathering citizen petitions (allowed by an obscure, century-old Kansas law) that led to two grand jury investigations against Dr. Tiller, filing technical complaints against the clinic with state regulators and regularly pressing prosecutors to charge him with crimes.
Some opponents have come and gone; at least three main advocacy groups exist in Wichita now, and leaders of those say they know of others in the form of religious coalitions and pregnancy crisis advocates. (Abortion rights advocates say that they believe the numbers are exaggerated, and that some organizations really amount to a person or two.)
Dr. Tiller’s family has said it hopes his work can continue. But the clinic’s future is uncertain: there is no immediate plan to reopen it, the family said in a statement last week, and no patients are being given appointments.
“This will change things in the pro-life movement, of course,” said David Gittrich, development director of Kansans for Life, which has its state office in Wichita. “They’re not going to be able go out in front of Tiller’s now. But until abortion is illegal, unthinkable and unacceptable, there’s going to be plenty of things for pro-lifers to do.”
Still, even some anti-abortion advocates wondered whether donations and interest levels might drop without the tangible presence of Dr. Tiller and his patients. There was backlash to face, too, they said. Some callers have been blaming the groups for the killing, a notion their leaders said was inevitable but absurd.
Scott P. Roeder, a Kansas City man charged with murder in Dr. Tiller’s death, was not a member of Operation Rescue or a contributor to it, Mr. Newman said. But the authorities found a slip of paper with the organization’s name in Mr. Roeder’s car when he was arrested, as well as the name of one of its leaders and her telephone number. He had also met Mr. Newman at least once.
“I have been racking my brain to see if there was something I could have done,” Mr. Newman said of Mr. Roeder.
Dr. Tiller’s clinic was the one — the big one — Mr. Newman had always hoped to close. Still, he said, if it closed now it would be no victory for Operation Rescue.
“Good God, do not close this abortion clinic for this reason,” he said. “Every kook in the world will get some notion.”
Mr. Newman and other anti-abortion leaders here say the timing could not have been worse. They believe, they say, that Dr. Tiller’s clinic would have finally been closed down by state regulators in a matter of months. This year, the State Board of Healing Arts had announced it was investigating a complaint against the clinic.
Despite the family announcement about the clinic’s uncertain future, some here seem convinced that it will secretly reopen on Monday. On Sunday, Mr. Gietzen said some of his more than 600 trained volunteers already were organized in shifts for a new week, in case visiting doctors were flown in.
“If it happened,” he said, “we’re going to act like the Minutemen and be there.”
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A good story needs a good villain for drama.
Science has provided a partial answer with the use of methotrexate and mifisterone in the privacy of the home.
No clinic, no protesters.
 
04SCTLS, the picture you have attached to this article is misleading. It is a picture of the Phelps crew based here in Topeka, Kansas. Protesting at funerals is the MO of Phelps and his crew (the shirts, signs and people, which I often see protesting here in Topeka, also give away who thes protesters are). Phelps group is not representative of anyone but Phelps group. Your picture is, by implication, equating him with most abortion protestors, which is dishonest and deceitful. Unless the picture (or article) labels those protesters as who they truly are (and, as far as I can tell, it doesn't), it is aimed at deceiving and smearing by perpetuating false information. I knew this was gonna happen after Tiller's death.

Your article is a hit piece on pro-choice people, nothing more.

If you wanna run on with dishonest equating then it should be pointed out that Fred Phelps supported Al Gore for president (even hosting a fundraiser for him) as well as running in Kansas Democrat Party primaries multiply times even receiving 31% of the vote in the 1992 Dem primary for US senator. By the logic of your article, you have to conclude that these protesters are Democrats.
 
So, what does that say?
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This was the picture in the NYT article.
I suppose it says the NYT wants to use the most inflamatory picture to accompany the story.
 
04SCTLS said:
This was the picture in the NYT article.
I suppose it says the NYT wants to use the most inflamatory picture to accompany the story.
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They are trying to smear pro-lifers when these protesters were one specific group and not representative of most pro-lifers or pro-life protesters, as the article is implying.
 
FUK Rev. Phelps, he protested at my friends Funeral across from Ft. Campbell, he only did it while we were deployed. It's amazing how he claims to be a man of god, but thanks god for dead soldiers. Thats one life I wouldn't mind doing life in prison for.
 
The Doc got whacked by an extremist so they're showing the kind of people capable of that.
 
No matter what 'fractious' group the photo represents, the "God sent the shooter" sign is rather interesting. The slogan has been referred to elsewhere recently, with regards to the baptist minister who was shot to death in his Illinois church. I believe his name was Winters, the one who used his bible to try to stop the bullets. There were fundamentalists who questioned the minister's values, and stated that "God had sent the shooter" because Winters had provoked God's wrath...
 
lincolnx2 said:
FUK Rev. Phelps, he protested at my friends Funeral across from Ft. Campbell, he only did it while we were deployed. It's amazing how he claims to be a man of god, but thanks god for dead soldiers. Thats one life I wouldn't mind doing life in prison for.
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Phelps is a narcissist who has built a cult around himself to fuel his narcissism.
 
04SCTLS said:
The Doc got whacked by an extremist so they're showing the kind of people capable of that.
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...by making false generalizations and equating things dishonestly. You are missing that point. This article is a great example of media bias, but says nothing about the average pro-life advocate/protester. However they are trying to say that it does.
 
foxpaws said:
No matter what 'fractious' group the photo represents, the "God sent the shooter" sign is rather interesting. The slogan has been referred to elsewhere recently, with regards to the baptist minister who was shot to death in his Illinois church. I believe his name was Winters, the one who used his bible to try to stop the bullets. There were fundamentalists who questioned the minister's values, and stated that "God had sent the shooter" because Winters had provoked God's wrath...
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That group was probably Phelps as well; they get around. They go where ever they can to get attention and protesting funerals is something I have only ever heard of them doing. Illinois isn't too far to travel either for them. Do you have a link to the story to verify weather or not it is Phelps?

Phelps has been used in the past by the MSM to trash people with a certain point of view by trying to imply that they are in general very extreme when it is simply Phelps being extreme. Most any Kansan (and definitely any Topekan) could have predicted that Phelps would be used to smear pro-lifers after Tiller was murdered because he would be at the funeral protesting.
 
Black87LSC said:
Ann Coulter rocks :Beer
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Indeed. Isn't it clever how she equates performing abortions with the shooting of abortionists? Spoon-feeds that sweet logic right into the mouths of hungy conservatives who swallow it hook, line and sinker. One thing she convieniently omits to mention though, shooting of abortionists is a federal crime, peforming abortions is legal. But then again, conservatives aren't known for letting the law stand in the way of their religious beliefs.
 
shagdrum said:
Phelps is a narcissist who has built a cult around himself to fuel his narcissism.
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But why hurt people who are grieving, I know I can be cold hearted at times, but I will never attack a person who just lost someone. I drove through Topeka, KS and if I would have remembered he were there, I would have stopped by and paid his building a visit.
 
lincolnx2 said:
But why hurt people who are grieving, I know I can be cold hearted at times, but I will never attack a person who just lost someone. I drove through Topeka, KS and if I would have remembered he were there, I would have stopped by and paid his building a visit.
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I am not defending Phelps in any way. He is a despicable excuse for a human being and when he passes away, this world will be a better place for it.

Phelps protests funerals precisely because it is so absurdly wrong to do; it gets him attention and national exposure. Then, local governments try to pass laws prohibiting him from protesting and he can sue under both the free speech clause and the free exercise clauses of the 1st amendment. It is really quite an ingenious scam he has going. If you look at his past, he was basically disbarred because of his abusive narcissism.

My point is that he and his clan are not representative of pro-life advocates/protesters, and to imply that they are is dishonest.
 
shagdrum said:
I am not defending Phelps in any way. He is a despicable excuse for a human being and when he passes away, this world will be a better place for it.

Phelps protests funerals precisely because it is so absurdly wrong to do; it gets him attention and national exposure. Then, local governments try to pass laws prohibiting him from protesting and he can sue under both the free speech clause and the free exercise clauses of the 1st amendment. It is really quite an ingenious scam he has going. If you look at his past, he was basically disbarred because of his abusive narcissism.

My point is that he and his clan are not representative of pro-life advocates/protesters, and to imply that they are is dishonest.
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+1. If you read some of his blogs online it is amazing not many people are onto it by now. He makes references to South Park as if that will boast his credibility. Complete and utter moron.
 
shagdrum said:
I am not defending Phelps in any way. He is a despicable excuse for a human being and when he passes away, this world will be a better place for it.

Phelps protests funerals precisely because it is so absurdly wrong to do; it gets him attention and national exposure. Then, local governments try to pass laws prohibiting him from protesting and he can sue under both the free speech clause and the free exercise clauses of the 1st amendment. It is really quite an ingenious scam he has going. If you look at his past, he was basically disbarred because of his abusive narcissism.

My point is that he and his clan are not representative of pro-life advocates/protesters, and to imply that they are is dishonest.
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Damn Shag, We finally agree on something.
 
shagdrum said:
That group was probably Phelps as well; they get around. They go where ever they can to get attention and protesting funerals is something I have only ever heard of them doing. Illinois isn't too far to travel either for them. Do you have a link to the story to verify weather or not it is Phelps?
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It might have ties with Phelps, I wouldn't know - my cousin who lives in Kansas emailed it to me, but without links... However it was from the Westboro Baptist Church. Does he have ties to that church?
 
foxpaws said:
It might have ties with Phelps, I wouldn't know - my cousin who lives in Kansas emailed it to me, but without links... However it was from the Westboro Baptist Church. Does he have ties to that church?
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The church is made up of Phelps' family, that's about it. And they're almost ALL lawyers. It's more of a cabal than a church.
 
Yep. The "Church" is more of a compound. I have actually worked with one Phelps' kids. Very smart and very professional. If it wasn't for his last name, you wouldn't know that he was part of the clan.
 
lincolnx2 said:
So people actually believe in what thisguy has to say.
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Not really, his church consists almost entirely of members of his family.
The fact all of us know about him speaks to two things-
1- how aggressive and effective he is at promoting himself and his clan.
2- how eager the media is to hold him up and use his clan to misrepresent causes they don't agree with.
 
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