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Abortion distortion

By Christine M. Flowers
Philadelphia Daily News

I DIDN'T kill George Tiller.

Neither did Bill O'Reilly, Randall Terry, Pope Benedict or the little old lady praying the rosary outside Planned Parenthood.

So to all of the pro-choice advocates and their sympathizers in the media, drop the collective guilt trip, OK? Because the myth that the pro-life movement bears any responsibility for Tiller's death is on par with the fairy tale that most abortions are performed to protect a woman's health.

Just because I abhorred Tiller's chosen medical specialty, which resulted in the termination of close to 60,000 pregnancies over his three-decade career, doesn't mean I sought his demise in any way. Of course, you'd never know that from the way the press and assorted interest groups have reacted.

The manipulation began the minute the news came out of Kansas. First was the nomenclature - the conspicuous absence of the word "abortionist." Tiller was described as an "abortion provider" (when he wasn't being canonized as a martyr). When is the last time a dentist was described as a "root-canal provider?" Or a cosmetic surgeon described as a "breast-enhancement provider"? Or a shrink as a "peace of mind provider"?

Apparently, "abortionist" still conjures up unsavory images of back alleys and bloody hangers, so the powers that be decided to sanitize the whole issue and present Tiller as the Albert Schweitzer of the (another great euphemism) "reproductive-health" movement.

Which brings me to the next bit of manipulation. Ignoring the fact that Tiller made a more than healthy living plying his trade, women's-rights activists waxed poetic about his "heroic" work on behalf of the most vulnerable.

They portrayed his now-defunct clinic, one of only three in the country providing partial-birth abortions, as a stop on the underground railroad for victims of reproductive oppression.

But this "hero" made a very healthy living answering his calling. And while his murder and the fact that the cowardly act was committed in the house of God are both true tragedies, it's dishonest to try to paint Tiller as heroic, especially to those who believe that this physician violated the most basic tenets of the Hippocratic oath.

But - and it's an extremely important "but" - that doesn't mean we wanted him dead.

Which brings me to the next bit of hypocrisy in the Tiller saga. The man who murdered Tiller, Scott Roeder, is a criminal. He is to my mind an evil man. Every pro-lifer I know feels exactly the same way.

We may not have liked what Tiller did, but we absolutely didn't want to see him dead. Roeder was not one of us. He was a psychopath, a man whose demented mind led him to commit a crime that is, essentially, the antithesis of what the pro-life movement represents.

But that's not the way it's being played on the editorial pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post and our sister paper here in Philadelphia. Somehow, Tiller's blood is on the hands of all of us who ever wore a rose in our lapel, protested in front of an abortion clinic, criticized Roe v. Wade or sent money to crisis pregnancy centers.

WHICH IS really interesting because those same opinion pages loudly lamented any demonization of Muslim-Americans after 9/11. They were appalled that a whole group of people could be blamed for the criminal acts of 19 men. They took great pains to call Islam a religion of peace and distinguish it from the violence of extremists.

And they condemned guilt-by-association.

They've even downplayed the fact that the killer of a soldier outside of an army recruitment center was a Muslim convert who spent time in that favorite vacation destination for budding terrorists: Yemen.


But when it comes to the pro-life movement, there isn't the same attention to detail.

Sure, they threw us a bone and acknowledged that Operation Rescue denounced "vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place." But the consensus was that if pro-lifers had just used nicer language when describing Tiller, he'd still be alive today. Guess there's no difference to them whether we're holding rosaries, or guns.
 
i give money to mom to be help centers and am a pro choicer and totally agree with you the pro lifers didnt say pull the trigger he did it on his own and people need to understand that just cause his views differed from tillers didnt make it a action of the pro life movement just ment the guy was loose upstairs
 
While the foregoing sentiments are probably true it's my opinion the actions of the right to life movement, like many other movements, create an atmosphere that encourages those prone to excessive behavior.

I'm pretty sure Hitler didn't personally kill a single jew. Yet he was what we call an enabler today, as many other mass killers were, creating an environment where the populations fears, prejudices, and self interest could run unchecked.

The defense against such enablers lays in a belief and pursuit of justice, the morals found in the religions such people shun, and standing up, not just for yourself, but all of those being targeted least you become the next victim.
 
I'm pretty sure Hitler didn't personally kill a single jew. Yet he was what we call an enabler today, as many other mass killers were, creating an environment where the populations fears, prejudices, and self interest could run unchecked.

Hitler did more then "enable", he directly encouraged and called for their extermination. His actions did directly lead to the slaughter of the Jews. He may not be the best example to use.
 
While the foregoing sentiments are probably true it's my opinion the actions of the right to life movement, like many other movements, create an atmosphere that encourages those prone to excessive behavior.

I'm pretty sure Hitler didn't personally kill a single jew. Yet he was what we call an enabler today, as many other mass killers were, creating an environment where the populations fears, prejudices, and self interest could run unchecked.

The defense against such enablers lays in a belief and pursuit of justice, the morals found in the religions such people shun, and standing up, not just for yourself, but all of those being targeted least you become the next victim.
According to your logic, the New York Times editorial writers, every lefty pundit on TV, and all Democratic Congresspeople who attacked Bush on the war and said we were losing and needed to quit are responsible for every soldier's death on the battlefield.

They created an environment where jihadists are encouraged to kill Americans.

And you really need to study up on Hitler before citing him as an example.
 
Yes, his actions did. Did He? Did Herr Hitler take one jew and kill him/her with his own hands?

And yes those who didn't support the war did help prolong it resulting in higher casualties among soldiers, insurgents, and civilians, in my opinion.
 
Yes, his actions did. Did He? Did Herr Hitler take one jew and kill him/her with his own hands?
It's irrelevant, considering he gave the orders.

You're really wasting your time trying to defend Hitler to prove some nebulous, oblique point.
 
It's not irrelevant to recognize that the atrocities occuring around the world are often done by ordinary people when they see they will not be punished for their actions, perhaps even praised!

In no way am I attempting to defend Hitler, members of the SS, or the prison guards who returned to their everyday lives after the war ended.
 
It's not irrelevant to recognize that the atrocities occuring around the world are often done by ordinary people when they see they will not be punished for their actions, perhaps even praised!
Straw man argument. Please show me all the people praising the Tiller killer. Also, show me how he isn't being punished. I'll hold my breath while I wait.

In the meantime, show me how many abortion doctors have ever been punished for all the babies they murdered.
 
Yes, his actions did. Did He? Did Herr Hitler take one jew and kill him/her with his own hands?

Hitler has blood on his hands. He was the one to call for and put policies in place that were aimed at the extermination of the Jewish race. He called for as much in Mein Kampf. He did much more then simply "enable". He "enacted".
 
Straw man argument. Please show me all the people praising the Tiller killer. Also, show me how he isn't being punished. I'll hold my breath while I wait.

In the meantime, show me how many abortion doctors have ever been punished for all the babies they murdered.

This is like shooting fish in a barrel, boring.

Here foss, I've clipped these off your "favorite links" list:

www.armyofgod.com
www.stormfront.org

Last I checked, abortion is LEGAL in the USA. The only "punishment" that COULD occur would be from freedom hating domestic terrorists like yourself:

Murders
In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least nine people, including five doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[4]

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of the year before. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings, received a death sentence, and was executed September 3, 2003.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,[5] was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.[6]
 
But that's not the way it's being played on the editorial pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post and our sister paper here in Philadelphia. Somehow, Tiller's blood is on the hands of all of us who ever wore a rose in our lapel, protested in front of an abortion clinic, criticized Roe v. Wade or sent money to crisis pregnancy centers.

WHICH IS really interesting because those same opinion pages loudly lamented any demonization of Muslim-Americans after 9/11. They were appalled that a whole group of people could be blamed for the criminal acts of 19 men. They took great pains to call Islam a religion of peace and distinguish it from the violence of extremists.
...while knee jerk right-wingers took the opposite tack, portraying all Muslims as radical extremists out to destroy western civilization, calling for the killing of their leaders (Coulter) or the nuking of Mecca (Savage), mocking the phrase "religion of peace" (nearly everybody), accusing a certain middle eastern cable news network of propaganda meant to incite hatred (hmm...), etc.

I'm only making the point because the author of the article brought it up and you highlighted it. Nevertheless, despite the claims of the article, I don't know anybody who believes that mainstream conservatives are responsible for Tiller's death. That's just bunk. But the constant victim mentality and paranoia that people like O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, and others perpetuate adds fuel to the rage and hatred in those people who are already off their rocker. Want proof? Here's the letter written by Jim David Adkisson, who killed 2 and wounded 6 at the Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee on July 27, 2008. Books by O'Reilly, Hannity, and Savage were all found in his home, and the letter says he wanted to kill "the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book", along with every Democrat in Congress.

Except for the parts about literally killing liberals, Adkisson's letter sounds awfully similar to what I see posted here on a regular basis.

Then there's Foss and Bryan fantasizing about the coming "civil war". And need I remind you of this despicable and offensive signature pic that was being used by someone here up until about a week ago?

liberals.jpg


Did you change that pic on your own volition Foss, or were you told to?

O'Reilly, Hannity, et al., and all those who constantly preach "personal responsibility", need to consider the immense responsibility they have. Yes, we have a First Amendment. But as they say, you can't yell FIRE! in a crowded theater. There are laws against inciting violence. None of them are guilty of that, as I said. But let's be realistic: Invoking fear and anger is an effective tool to gain power. Or in this case, ratings.

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...while knee jerk right-wingers took the opposite tack, portraying all Muslims as radical extremists out to destroy western civilization, calling for the killing of their leaders (Coulter) or the nuking of Mecca (Savage), mocking the phrase "religion of peace" (nearly everybody), accusing a certain middle eastern cable news network of propaganda meant to incite hatred (hmm...), etc.

I'm only making the point because the author of the article brought it up and you highlighted it. Nevertheless, despite the claims of the article, I don't know anybody who believes that mainstream conservatives are responsible for Tiller's death. That's just bunk. But the constant victim mentality and paranoia that people like O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, and others perpetuate adds fuel to the rage and hatred in those people who are already off their rocker. Want proof? Here's the letter written by Jim David Adkisson, who killed 2 and wounded 6 at the Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee on July 27, 2008. Books by O'Reilly, Hannity, and Savage were all found in his home, and the letter says he wanted to kill "the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book", along with every Democrat in Congress.

Except for the parts about literally killing liberals, Adkisson's letter sounds awfully similar to what I see posted here on a regular basis.

Then there's Foss and Bryan fantasizing about the coming "civil war". And need I remind you of this despicable and offensive signature pic that was being used by someone here up until about a week ago?

liberals.jpg


Did you change that pic on your own volition Foss, or were you told to?

O'Reilly, Hannity, et al., and all those who constantly preach "personal responsibility", need to consider the immense responsibility they have. Yes, we have a First Amendment. But as they say, you can't yell FIRE! in a crowded theater. There are laws against inciting violence. None of them are guilty of that, as I said. But let's be realistic: Invoking fear and anger is an effective tool to gain power. Or in this case, ratings.

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Quite a rant. Too bad it contradicts itself. First you [incorrectly] say you don't know anybody who blames conservatives (argument from ignorance), and then you fairly blame conservatives yourself.

Just because you don't personally know anybody who is blaming conservatives for Tiller's death doesn't mean anything. Maybe if you did a little research before popping off half cocked, you wouldn't look so foolish.

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Ah yes, from Frank Rich of the New York Times:

June 14, 2009
Op-Ed Columnist
The Obama Haters’ Silent Enablers

By FRANK RICH

WHEN a Fox News anchor, reacting to his own network’s surging e-mail traffic, warns urgently on-camera of a rise in hate-filled, “amped up” Americans who are “taking the extra step and getting the gun out,” maybe we should listen. He has better sources in that underground than most.

The anchor was Shepard Smith, speaking after Wednesday’s mayhem at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. Unlike the bloviators at his network and elsewhere on cable, Smith is famous for his highly caffeinated news-reading, not any political agenda. But very occasionally — notably during Hurricane Katrina — he hits the Howard Beale mad-as-hell wall. Joining those at Fox who routinely disregard the network’s “We report, you decide” mantra, he both reported and decided, loudly.

What he reported was this: his e-mail from viewers had “become more and more frightening” in recent months, dating back to the election season. From Wednesday alone, he “could read a hundred” messages spewing “hate that’s not based in fact,” much of it about Barack Obama and some of it sharing the museum gunman’s canard that the president was not a naturally born citizen. These are Americans “out there in a scary place,” Smith said.

Then he brought up another recent gunman: “If you’re one who believes that abortion is murder, at what point do you go out and kill someone who’s performing abortions?” An answer, he said, was provided by Dr. George Tiller’s killer. He went on: “If you are one who believes these sorts of things about the president of the United States ...” He left the rest of that chilling sentence unsaid.

These are extraordinary words to hear on Fox. The network’s highest-rated star, Bill O’Reilly, had assailed Tiller, calling him “Tiller the baby killer” and likening him to the Nazis, on 29 of his shows before the doctor was murdered at his church in Kansas. O’Reilly was unrepentant, stating that only “pro-abortion zealots and Fox News haters” would link him to the crime. But now another Fox star, while stopping short of blaming O’Reilly, was breaching his network’s brand of political correctness: he tied the far-right loners who had gotten their guns out in Wichita and Washington to the mounting fury of Obama haters.

What is this fury about? In his scant 145 days in office, the new president has not remotely matched the Bush record in deficit creation. Nor has he repealed the right to bear arms or exacerbated the wars he inherited. He has tried more than his predecessor ever did to reach across the aisle. But none of that seems to matter. A sizable minority of Americans is irrationally fearful of the fast-moving generational, cultural and racial turnover Obama embodies — indeed, of the 21st century itself. That minority is now getting angrier in inverse relationship to his popularity with the vast majority of the country. Change can be frightening and traumatic, especially if it’s not change you can believe in.

We don’t know whether the tiny subset of domestic terrorists in this crowd is egged on by political or media demagogues — though we do tend to assume that foreign jihadists respond like Pavlov’s dogs to the words of their most fanatical leaders and polemicists. But well before the latest murderers struck — well before another “antigovernment” Obama hater went on a cop-killing rampage in Pittsburgh in April — there have been indications that this rage could spiral out of control.

This was evident during the campaign, when hotheads greeted Obama’s name with “Treason!” and “Terrorist!” at G.O.P. rallies. At first the McCain-Palin campaign fed the anger with accusations that Obama was “palling around with terrorists.” But later John McCain thought better of it and defended his opponent’s honor to a town-hall participant who vented her fears of the Democrats’ “Arab” candidate. Although two neo-Nazi skinheads were arrested in an assassination plot against Obama two weeks before Election Day, the fever broke after McCain exercised leadership.

That honeymoon, if it was one, is over. Conservatives have legitimate ideological beefs with Obama, rightly expressed in sharp language. But the invective in some quarters has unmistakably amped up. The writer Camille Paglia, a political independent and confessed talk-radio fan, detected a shift toward paranoia in the air waves by mid-May. When “the tone darkens toward a rhetoric of purgation and annihilation,” she observed in Salon, “there is reason for alarm.” She cited a “joke” repeated by a Rush Limbaugh fill-in host, a talk-radio jock from Dallas of all places, about how “any U.S. soldier” who found himself with only two bullets in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden would use both shots to assassinate Pelosi and then strangle Reid and bin Laden.

This homicide-saturated vituperation is endemic among mini-Limbaughs. Glenn Beck has dipped into O’Reilly’s Holocaust analogies to liken Obama’s policy on stem-cell research to the eugenics that led to “the final solution” and the quest for “a master race.” After James von Brunn’s rampage at the Holocaust museum, Beck rushed onto Fox News to describe the Obama-hating killer as a “lone gunman nutjob.” Yet in the same show Beck also said von Brunn was a symptom that “the pot in America is boiling,” as if Beck himself were not the boiling pot cheering the kettle on.

But hyperbole from the usual suspects in the entertainment arena of TV and radio is not the whole story. What’s startling is the spillover of this poison into the conservative political establishment. Saul Anuzis, a former Michigan G.O.P. chairman who ran for the party’s national chairmanship this year, seriously suggested in April that Republicans should stop calling Obama a socialist because “it no longer has the negative connotation it had 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago.” Anuzis pushed “fascism” instead, because “everybody still thinks that’s a bad thing.” He didn’t seem to grasp that “fascism” is nonsensical as a description of the Obama administration or that there might be a risk in slurring a president with a word that most find “bad” because it evokes a mass-murderer like Hitler.

The Anuzis “fascism” solution to the Obama problem has caught fire. The president’s nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court and his speech in Cairo have only exacerbated the ugliness. The venomous personal attacks on Sotomayor have little to do with the 3,000-plus cases she’s adjudicated in nearly 17 years on the bench or her thoughts about the judgment of “a wise Latina woman.” She has been tarred as a member of “the Latino KKK” (by the former Republican presidential candidate Tom Tancredo), as well as a racist and a David Duke (by Limbaugh), and portrayed, in a bizarre two-for-one ethnic caricature, as a slant-eyed Asian on the cover of National Review. Uniting all these insults is an aggrieved note of white victimization only a shade less explicit than that in von Brunn’s white supremacist screeds.

Obama’s Cairo address, meanwhile, prompted over-the-top accusations reminiscent of those campaign rally cries of “Treason!” It was a prominent former Reagan defense official, Frank Gaffney, not some fringe crackpot, who accused Obama in The Washington Times of engaging “in the most consequential bait-and-switch since Adolf Hitler duped Neville Chamberlain.” He claimed that the president — a lifelong Christian — “may still be” a Muslim and is aligned with “the dangerous global movement known as the Muslim Brotherhood.” Gaffney linked Obama by innuendo with Islamic “charities” that “have been convicted of providing material support for terrorism.”

If this isn’t a handy rationalization for another lone nutjob to take the law into his own hands against a supposed terrorism supporter, what is? Any such nutjob can easily grab a weapon. Gun enthusiasts have been on a shopping spree since the election, with some areas of our country reporting percentage sales increases in the mid-to-high double digits, recession be damned.

The question, Shepard Smith said on Fox last week, is “if there is really a way to put a hold on” those who might run amok. We’re not about to repeal the First or Second Amendments. Hard-core haters resolutely dismiss any “mainstream media” debunking of their conspiracy theories. The only voices that might penetrate their alternative reality — I emphasize might — belong to conservative leaders with the guts and clout to step up as McCain did last fall. Where are they? The genteel public debate in right-leaning intellectual circles about the conservative movement’s future will be buried by history if these insistent alarms are met with silence.

It’s typical of this dereliction of responsibility that when the Department of Homeland Security released a plausible (and, tragically, prescient) report about far-right domestic terrorism two months ago, the conservative response was to trash it as “the height of insult,” in the words of the G.O.P. chairman Michael Steele. But as Smith also said last week, Homeland Security was “warning us for a reason.”

No matter. Last week it was business as usual, as Republican leaders nattered ad infinitum over the juvenile rivalry of Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich at the party’s big Washington fund-raiser. Few if any mentioned, let alone questioned, the ominous script delivered by the actor Jon Voight with the G.O.P. imprimatur at that same event. Voight’s devout wish was to “bring an end to this false prophet Obama.”

This kind of rhetoric, with its pseudo-Scriptural call to action, is toxic. It is getting louder each day of the Obama presidency. No one, not even Fox News viewers, can say they weren’t warned.
 
And let's not forget the famous movie Death of a President.

Here's one of the comments in IMDB:

If only this movie were true
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That's all I have to say about it. At least then, there'd be some justice in the world. I wouldn't do that personally of course, but I and many other Democrats wouldn't exactly "miss" George W. if you know what I mean!
 
...while knee jerk right-wingers took the opposite tack, portraying all Muslims as radical extremists out to destroy western civilization, calling for the killing of their leaders (Coulter) or the nuking of Mecca (Savage), mocking the phrase "religion of peace" (nearly everybody), accusing a certain middle eastern cable news network of propaganda meant to incite hatred (hmm...), etc.

I'm only making the point because the author of the article brought it up and you highlighted it. Nevertheless, despite the claims of the article, I don't know anybody who believes that mainstream conservatives are responsible for Tiller's death. That's just bunk. But the constant victim mentality and paranoia that people like O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, and others perpetuate adds fuel to the rage and hatred in those people who are already off their rocker. Want proof? Here's the letter written by Jim David Adkisson, who killed 2 and wounded 6 at the Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee on July 27, 2008. Books by O'Reilly, Hannity, and Savage were all found in his home, and the letter says he wanted to kill "the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book", along with every Democrat in Congress.

Except for the parts about literally killing liberals, Adkisson's letter sounds awfully similar to what I see posted here on a regular basis.

Then there's Foss and Bryan fantasizing about the coming "civil war". And need I remind you of this despicable and offensive signature pic that was being used by someone here up until about a week ago?

Did you change that pic on your own volition Foss, or were you told to?

O'Reilly, Hannity, et al., and all those who constantly preach "personal responsibility", need to consider the immense responsibility they have. Yes, we have a First Amendment. But as they say, you can't yell FIRE! in a crowded theater. There are laws against inciting violence. None of them are guilty of that, as I said. But let's be realistic: Invoking fear and anger is an effective tool to gain power. Or in this case, ratings.

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Trying to label opposing viewpoints as “extremist” and using that to prevent counter speech is by its very definition “Fascism”.
 
Trying to label opposing viewpoints as “extremist” and using that to prevent counter speech is by its very definition “Fascism”.

Actually, I would simply call Marcus' post here (post #12 of this thread) another in his long line of ignorant, irrational, childish outbursts. But this one was also more long winded then normal for him so it is also a fallacious argumentum verbosium according to the standard he laid out in post #47 of the thread at this link.:rolleyes:

Marcus has made himself a great example of the typical liberal tactic of attacking and attempting to demonize those he disagrees with instead of engaging in any honest debate. You cannot debate with someone functioning on childish schoolyard logic. ;)
 
Trying to label opposing viewpoints as “extremist” and using that to prevent counter speech is by its very definition “Fascism”.

Yeah, YOU would know since you've used that exact tactic numerous times over the years.
 
Marcus has made himself a great example of the typical liberal tactic of attacking and attempting to demonize those he disagrees with instead of engaging in any honest debate. You cannot debate with someone functioning on childish schoolyard logic. ;)

Said the kettle to the pot.
 
And with this conveniently timed refocus on the abortion issue... the attention of the community and "chattering class" is switched and a defensive position is taken.

Rather than addressing the losses of liberty, the dismantling of the free markets, and the fascist government/corporate/progressive alliances, the opponents of such will be arguing that pro-lifers don't condone murder, that the media is displaying it's double standard, and restating that they have no association with the Nazi shooter...

The argument has been frame and those that love liberty are put in a defensive position.
 
Hitler has blood on his hands. He was the one to call for and put policies in place that were aimed at the extermination of the Jewish race. He called for as much in Mein Kampf. He did much more then simply "enable". He "enacted".

I'm not denying this, but as I said before he was not the one who actually imprisoned and killed these people.
 
Straw man argument. Please show me all the people praising the Tiller killer. Also, show me how he isn't being punished. I'll hold my breath while I wait.

In the meantime, show me how many abortion doctors have ever been punished for all the babies they murdered.

Would the Tiller killer have acted without the highly promoted actions of the pro-life/right to life movements? That's the question.

The lack of punishment of abortionist goes to show how our present society is enabling such activities which include aspects of stem cell research and euthanasia as well as the marginalizing of religion.
 

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