Abstinence only sex ed works says...the Washington Post?!

fossten said:
Interesting. I considered using my own anecdotal evidence in this discussion, but I thought better of it due to the overwhelming probability that it would be met with immaturity and derision.

I see that my instincts were solid. :rolleyes:
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Some people had it rough and/or awkward as teenagers.
I was one of them.
By his tone, shag seemed to almost say his sex ed experience was unpleasant or even damaging by saying he was "subjected"
That would fit in with his opinion that sex ed is at best worthless and probably toxic.
The medium is the message.

You appear to be responding for shag to my tongue and cheek comments in this thread which is fine :p
I was just making a joke based on "subjected" which I pointed out.

All his anecdote was was an admission he took a sex ed course without any elaboration.
With you're comment beyond your qualifier you're basically saying the same thing.
If you fear you're more thin skinned on this personal topic than shag I promise I won't make any jokes if your anecdote will add to the discussion.
Since we're talking about teenagers I was remembering how we used to cut each other up back then when we were witty sophomores.
 
shagdrum said:
Do you think that personal experience should be of primary importance when forming an opinion about a national issue? That it should trump empirical fact?
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There's things we learn from books and blogs and school and there's things we learn in life.
Both are important factors when forming an opinion.

I'm not saying one trumps the other but without life experience it can be a
"what are you going to believe me or your own eyes" analogy.

As an off topic example foss feels the government is purpously enslaving him and has all kinds of facts to back that up but I don't see it that way.
So there's the believing my own eyes thing.

You love the words empirical fact.
It makes things that you find to support your opinion that more unchallengible to you.
 
04SCTLS said:
All his anecdote was was an admission he took a sex ed course without any elaboration.
With you're comment beyond your qualifier you're basically saying the same thing.
If you fear you're more thin skinned on this personal topic than shag I promise I won't make any jokes if your anecdote will add to the discussion.
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Actually, you're making an unwarranted assumption, once again showing your immaturity. Either that, or you're trying to goad me into telling my story. I'll give you a hint - I had no sex ed in school and successfully practiced abstinence throughout high school. I learned biology in 10th grade which included anatomy and the necessary functions, but I wasn't forced to watch porn videos and demonstrate rolling a condom over a banana.

I agree with Shag's use of the word 'subjected.' Sex ed in public school is mandatory and forced on children at too early an age for their level of maturity.
 
fossten said:
Actually, you're making an unwarranted assumption, once again showing your immaturity. Either that, or you're trying to goad me into telling my story. I'll give you a hint - I had no sex ed in school and successfully practiced abstinence throughout high school. I learned biology in 10th grade which included anatomy and the necessary functions, but I wasn't forced to watch porn videos and demonstrate rolling a condom over a banana.

I agree with Shag's use of the word 'subjected.' Sex ed in public school is mandatory and forced on children at too early an age for their level of maturity.
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Maybe it was the joys of growing up in the city of Philadelphia but we had Sex ed for the first time in 8th grade. Mind you one of the girls in my grade was pregnant before the year was over. To be completely honest sure I lost my virginity before I really understood the consequences but so did a few other kids. By the end of High School most of my grade was sexually active we were very open with one another swapping stories and such.

My point is maybe some places like my inner city school needed sexual education, we also needed alcohol and for some drug education all of which we received and used. Also for clarification I'm not talking about hoodlums or drop outs, the majority of us had jobs throughout high school and now attend various colleges.
 
abstinence sux!

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04SCTLS said:
There's things we learn from books and blogs and school and there's things we learn in life.
Both are important factors when forming an opinion.
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But when it comes to social trends on a national level which one is more relevant in reasonably inferring the truth?

As an off topic example foss feels the government is purpously enslaving him and has all kinds of facts to back that up but I don't see it that way.
So there's the believing my own eyes thing.
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Again, considering the broad scope of the issue, is your personal experience alone more relevant then empirical data across the nation in reasonably inferring the truth?

You love the words empirical fact.
It makes things that you find to support your opinion that more unchallengeable to you.
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You assume I am cherry picking?
 
04SCTLS said:
By his tone, shag seemed to almost say his sex ed experience was unpleasant or even damaging by saying he was "subjected"
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Nothing overly unpleasant or damaging about it. It seemed like a welcome distraction from school work at the time. Though it would get kinda boring...
 
Sex ed in public school is mandatory and forced on children at too early an age for their level of maturity
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it's mandatory there? my daughter just went through it earlier this year.
it needed a parents signature to take the course.
most kids have the main idea figured out by grade 6 here. pretty tough to explain away what the animals are doing in the barns and fields.
it was a part of health class when i was in grd8, but i don't remember permission at that time. may have been mandatory then(probably could have opted out with parents note)
there were a few girls and guys doing it already. it's about time to know something by then or before already.

anyways, my daughter was taught about protection, but was told of abstinence as well. i felt comfortable with the subject matter as taught.
 
hrmwrm said:
it's mandatory there? my daughter just went through it earlier this year.
it needed a parents signature to take the course.
most kids have the main idea figured out by grade 6 here. pretty tough to explain away what the animals are doing in the barns and fields.
it was a part of health class when i was in grd8, but i don't remember permission at that time. may have been mandatory then(probably could have opted out with parents note)
there were a few girls and guys doing it already. it's about time to know something by then or before already.

anyways, my daughter was taught about protection, but was told of abstinence as well. i felt comfortable with the subject matter as taught.
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Of course you would think we're no different from animals in the barns and fields. I suppose you think your daughter should be shagging with the best of them whenever she feels like it.

But then again, she's just a random composition of molecules anyway, so her life doesn't even matter does it? :rolleyes:
 
she's just a random composition of molecules anyway
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the composition isn't quite random but based on the fractal geometry of the Mandelbrot set which was discovered in 1980 by jewish mathematician Benoit Mandelbrot.
It has been called a fire of Prometheus, the thumbprint of God and the greatest discovery in mathematics of the 20th century.
The geometry of nature, the heavens and all living things.

This Arthur C Clark video Colors of Infinity is a fascinating look at fractals and their meaning

YouTube- Arthur Clarke - Fractals - The Colors Of Infinity 1 of 6

http://www.downloadfreedesktopwallp...wallpaper-fractal-art-cammi-angel-picture.jpg

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fossten said:
Of course you would think we're no different from animals in the barns and fields. I suppose you think your daughter should be shagging with the best of them whenever she feels like it.

But then again, she's just a random composition of molecules anyway, so her life doesn't even matter does it? :rolleyes:
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oh, i forgot. hiumans are immaculate conception, just animals f*ck.
a$$hole.
 
04SCTLS said:
the composition isn't quite random but based on the fractal geometry of the Mandelbrot set which was discovered in 1980 by jewish mathematician Benoit Mandelbrot.
It has been called a fire of Prometheus, the thumbprint of God and the greatest discovery in mathematics of the 20th century.
The geometry of nature, the heavens and all living things.

This Arthur C Clark video Colors of Infinity is a fascinating look at fractals and their meaning

YouTube- Arthur Clarke - Fractals - The Colors Of Infinity 1 of 6

http://www.downloadfreedesktopwallp...wallpaper-fractal-art-cammi-angel-picture.jpg
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nebulaS are a prime example of the colors of infinity, i just love colors/art :-D
 
fossten in action

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nice dance

link doesn't work with url wrapped around it. c/p to a new window/tab.
of course change xx to tt.
 
Of course you would think we're no different from animals in the barns and fields. I suppose you think your daughter should be shagging with the best of them whenever she feels like it.
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not a strawman arguement. it's my reply to you for this.
you make it sound like we reproduce differently than anything else in this world. i live in a farming community, and many kids know what's what by the time the sex education class comes around. i don't know what your classes are like there, but there is nothing taught wrong here.

as for your comment about my 13year old daughter, that's pretty low even for you.
i'd expect more maturity out of a man who's almost 40 years old.
hence my last word. but then, they're a dime a dozen.
she's an honours student 7 years running, and not about to f*ck up her future.
 
hrmwrm said:
it's mandatory there? my daughter just went through it earlier this year.
it needed a parents signature to take the course.
most kids have the main idea figured out by grade 6 here. pretty tough to explain away what the animals are doing in the barns and fields.
it was a part of health class when i was in grd8, but i don't remember permission at that time. may have been mandatory then(probably could have opted out with parents note)
there were a few girls and guys doing it already. it's about time to know something by then or before already.

anyways, my daughter was taught about protection, but was told of abstinence as well. i felt comfortable with the subject matter as taught.
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The entire tone of your post appears to be, "Ah well, they're doing it anyway, might as well sign the papers. Nothing to do about it, I mean, hey, the kids (my daughter) see animals screwing in the barns and fields, so there's nothing I can do to stop them. Might as well join the program."

You sounded like you were just throwing up your hands instead of fighting for your daughter's chastity. If that's not what you meant, by all means clarify. Otherwise, it looked to me like you didn't give a crap. Hence the 'random molecules' comment.

A teenage pregnancy can really "f*ck up a future" in case you didn't know.
 
wasn't anything like that. merely pointing out that my daughter just went through the class recently.

You sounded like you were just throwing up your hands instead of fighting for your daughter's chastity.
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i think you just made the point without realizing it.
the sex ed was to teach her what it is and isn't, and what precautions should be taken.
the morality imposed should be something she gains from within family.
what she learns from a sex ed class is going to be better than leaving it up to hearsay from friends/aquaintances.
waiting/abstinence should be taught at home. it probably won't be learned from any other avenues

i think your just used to being in conflict with me and view all my posts with the same trepidation. it wasn't what i meant.
merely pointing out that more kids in rural areas usually have an earlier understanding of nature. can be tough to miss.

i don't expect her to necessarily be a virgin bride either.
i believe in teaching the proper responsibility and morals and proper decision making.
 
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