AdvanceTrac problem,,yes,again....
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roncoinc
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Ok,,but neither match the numbers on mine.
Google results show it my unit number is for 2003 to 2006 with advance track.
so confusion reigns .
4W4Z-2C219-CA is called for by the place with my ser#
so is what i have in the car 4wt-2c219-cb the wrong one ??
roncoinc
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" The one possible exception (maybe) is if someone replaced the AdvanceTrac ABS module with a non-AdvanceTrac ABS module. The module is at the front right of the engine bay. "
I take it THAT was the reason for checking the module to make sure it was for a car with AT,and it is,,so must be correct one..
I take it THAT was the reason for checking the module to make sure it was for a car with AT,and it is,,so must be correct one..
roncoinc
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Ok,got code.
went to a friends garage,super nice reader,plugs it in car and goes inside to main screen to read unit by remote wireless.searched
C1998
module calibration not complete.
searched and found the service manual by Owlman.
" carry out the AT calibration per diagnostic tool instructions "
is what he used to read the codes the diagnostic tool ??
or is it another tool i could find nothing about ??
tnx.
went to a friends garage,super nice reader,plugs it in car and goes inside to main screen to read unit by remote wireless.searched
C1998
module calibration not complete.
searched and found the service manual by Owlman.
" carry out the AT calibration per diagnostic tool instructions "
is what he used to read the codes the diagnostic tool ??
or is it another tool i could find nothing about ??
tnx.
roncoinc
Well-Known LVC Member
Ok,,,,,,,,,,,all i know is a snap on,cost him $1800 if price makes a diff.
What would he need to know that would say his tool can do it ?
Before i talk to him would like to be able to say " Rich,can your tool do such and such and that also ? "
roncoinc
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Also,he cleared the codes with his scanner but immediately the AT light flashed back on.
does that mean that code wasn't cleared ??
does that mean that code wasn't cleared ??
moe42171
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A shot in the dark here but you said it was in an front end accident at one time. I purchased my 06LS from someone who fixes wrecked cars. Mine was in a front end wreck. Not long after purchasing it, the AdvanceTrac light came on pretty much every time. I took it to a guy a lot of the body shops around town use that is cheaper than the dealer and he got nowhere. He wanted to blame it on the yaw sensor if I remember correctly. I ended up taking it to the Lincoln dealership and the guy there said it had to do with the accident. I think he said it had a harness installed that wasn't identical to the original. He laid down a new wire and it went away. It still does come in occasionally (probably 10 percent of the time) but I am guessing that has to do with something else (steering angle, wheel sensor or whatever) because it was in 100 percent of the time before hand. I am not worrying about it until it comes in closer to 100 percent of the time. Doubt it is the same deal but just throwing it out there.
joegr
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He has a code saying that it needs calibration. That won't be related to a harness. The Snap-on tool can almost certainly initiate the procedure. He will need the instructions for the factory calibration procedure.
roncoinc
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Joe,,thanks for the answer.
now,,I dont have the tool or know how to use it.
telling " the rest of the story " would be a help
like ,, WHERE to get the instructions for the factory calibration procedure !! ????????
would it be built into the tool ?
available from snap on for the tool ??
you are an invaluable resource but please realize not all of us know what you do and that is the reason we ask and partial answers are frustrating !! LOL !!!
PROGRESS is being made !!
It likely has to be a Ford specific reader/programmer to have the Ford calibration command built into it. Sounds automated...
from here (different car but essentially same system): http://www.justanswer.com/ford/0mfql-explain-control-trac-4x4-system-4wheel.html
ABS Module Calibration (ABS With Stability Assist)
If a new ABS module is installed, it must be configured first. The ABS module also needs to be recalibrated whenever a component specific to the stability assist system is disconnected or a new component is installed. For additional information regarding the DTCs that require the recalibration procedure, refer to the ABS Calibration List. If a DTC is logged for any component of the stability assist system, the DTC must be cleared before carrying out the recalibration procedure. The need to recalibrate the ABS module is also indicated by the active/fail lamp flashing. The lamp will flash after clearing the DTCs that are indicated on the ABS Calibration List. If a DTC is retrieved after recalibration, refer to the Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index. If installing a new stability assist module, the calibration procedures as well as the configuration procedure must be carried out. For additional information regarding the module configuration and calibration, follow the diagnostic tool directions for the calibration procedure.
When carrying out the lateral or longitudinal accelerometer, or yaw rate calibration using the diagnostic tool, the vehicle must be on a level surface, must not be moving and the ignition switch must be in the RUN position. When carrying out the steering wheel rotation sensor calibration on the diagnostic tool, the ignition switch must be in the RUN position with the engine running and the steering wheel must be rotated back and forth from lock position to lock position.
from here (different car but essentially same system): http://www.justanswer.com/ford/0mfql-explain-control-trac-4x4-system-4wheel.html
ABS Module Calibration (ABS With Stability Assist)
If a new ABS module is installed, it must be configured first. The ABS module also needs to be recalibrated whenever a component specific to the stability assist system is disconnected or a new component is installed. For additional information regarding the DTCs that require the recalibration procedure, refer to the ABS Calibration List. If a DTC is logged for any component of the stability assist system, the DTC must be cleared before carrying out the recalibration procedure. The need to recalibrate the ABS module is also indicated by the active/fail lamp flashing. The lamp will flash after clearing the DTCs that are indicated on the ABS Calibration List. If a DTC is retrieved after recalibration, refer to the Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index. If installing a new stability assist module, the calibration procedures as well as the configuration procedure must be carried out. For additional information regarding the module configuration and calibration, follow the diagnostic tool directions for the calibration procedure.
When carrying out the lateral or longitudinal accelerometer, or yaw rate calibration using the diagnostic tool, the vehicle must be on a level surface, must not be moving and the ignition switch must be in the RUN position. When carrying out the steering wheel rotation sensor calibration on the diagnostic tool, the ignition switch must be in the RUN position with the engine running and the steering wheel must be rotated back and forth from lock position to lock position.
roncoinc
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but,,but,,,but,,......
the computer would read that and throw the code and light immediately after engine starts and wheel not touched ??
i would think the steering wheel would need to be turned so that improper calibration could be sensed,, but i don't know so i ask
tnx
elephantrider
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just trying to get caught up. have you taken it to the dealer for recalibration yet ?
Maybe engine has to be on when codes are cleared so that there is no power cycle at engine start. The dealer would know all this. If that's not the case, there is still a bad sensor somewhere, or it is in fact the wrong module. What is the build date on your door hinge sticker as this makes a difference in the part number?
Vehicle Build Date between: 1/1/2003 and 9/11/2003 2C219
Vehicle Build Date between: 9/12/2003 and 10/17/2004 2C219
Sorry, I can't see full part numbers but any 2C219 seems to be the advancetrac version.
5W4Z-2C219-BA supposedly replaces 4W4Z-2C219-CA according to fordpartsgiant but I don't see that number elsewhere.
Vehicle Build Date between: 1/1/2003 and 9/11/2003 2C219
Vehicle Build Date between: 9/12/2003 and 10/17/2004 2C219
Sorry, I can't see full part numbers but any 2C219 seems to be the advancetrac version.
5W4Z-2C219-BA supposedly replaces 4W4Z-2C219-CA according to fordpartsgiant but I don't see that number elsewhere.
roncoinc
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No,,will be stopping by my friends with info garnered here and he is going to see if his tool will do it.
Tnx for the interest man....
may have to slide this one down the list,,got serious trunk water prob to research first.
roncoinc
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Now I'm thinking as soon as the car is running it sees the steering wheel is not aligned with the tires and away it goes !!
for that system to work properly i would think the reaction time would be darn quick !! ????
my feeling is calibration should do it.
if not then as you said sensor but i think i found the abs unit is the correct one.
took some searching on the interweb but i feel confident it is the correct one.
build date,,..23/12/2003
tnx for doing some research..
joegr
Dedicated LVC Member
but,,but,,,but,,......
the computer would read that and throw the code and light immediately after engine starts and wheel not touched ??
i would think the steering wheel would need to be turned so that improper calibration could be sensed,, but i don't know so i ask
tnx
No, it wouldn't. The module is saying that it hasn't been calibrated, not that the calibration is wrong. It would certainly know from first power up that it's not calibrated.
1LoudLS
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do you have a sunroof? if so check the drain tubes running down each side and make sure they are still plugged into where they need to be on the sides of the trunk.
roncoinc
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This car is gonna drive me crazy.
not only do i have water under the spare but also over against the drivers side fender down in there i can hardly slide my hand in !
Yeah, its a love/hate relationship. If you prefer occasionally fixing something and having it be good for a while, this probably inst the car you want on a daily basis. The trunk water issue is common but simple to fix; just check the plastic drain tubes from the moon roof like Loud said. They either popped out of where they're suppose to exit the interior of the trunk or they're blocked up with debris. However, I also had water get in mine when the weatherstripping glue around the trunk opening let go. Parking facing slightly down hill exacerbates the issue. Any dirt acts like a wick and gets the water to travel up over the metal lip, under the weatherstrip. I pulled the whole thing off carefully, wiped everything clean on the trunk and stripping itself and its been fine since.
1LoudLS
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well i would definitely check the drivers side first!
now if none of those are loose, then i would climb into the trunk with a flash light while somebody use a water hose to spray all over the trunk to see if you can find the leak. ive also seen the weather striping get torn or pulled loose from getting something weird sized or heavy out of the trunk causing the damage...
roncoinc
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Didn't get a chance yesterday to do anything about the water.
removal will be no fun,especially on the side at the rear fender
searching now on removing the black carpet/siding/trim/cardboard,,whatever it is
removal will be no fun,especially on the side at the rear fender
searching now on removing the black carpet/siding/trim/cardboard,,whatever it is
roncoinc
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I didn't climb in the trunk,,,i put back seats down and was somewhat comfortable looking in the trunk
i stripped everything out of the trunk,all the covers/liners.
after awhile nothing coming in simulating a rainfall.
next step was hurricane style !!
found water coming in out of hole #1
blocked off #2,,sealed #3,,blocked off #4.
gave full hose pressure for quit awhile and no water ! ??
will see after next rainstorm..
don't know what hole #2 is for but there are plenty more vent holes.
should i start a new thread and ask about this ?
i stripped everything out of the trunk,all the covers/liners.
after awhile nothing coming in simulating a rainfall.
next step was hurricane style !!
found water coming in out of hole #1
blocked off #2,,sealed #3,,blocked off #4.
gave full hose pressure for quit awhile and no water ! ??
will see after next rainstorm..
don't know what hole #2 is for but there are plenty more vent holes.
should i start a new thread and ask about this ?