Ahmadinejad to visit Ground Zero?

[fossten]

U.S. May Escort Ahmadinejad to Ground Zero
Talks Underway After Iranian Requests a Visit

By SARAH GARLAND
Staff Reporter of the Sun
September 19, 2007 updated 9/20/07 1:21 am EDT

In a move that has stunned New York, the Bloomberg administration is in discussions to escort the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to ground zero during his visit to New York next week, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said today.

The Iranian mission to the U.N. made the request to the New York City Police Department and the Secret Service, which will jointly oversee security during the leader's two-day visit. Mr. Ahmadinejad is scheduled to arrive September 24 to speak to the U.N. General Assembly as the Security Council decides whether to increase sanctions against his country for its uranium enrichment program.

Mr. Kelly said the NYPD and Secret Service were in discussions with the Iranian Mission about the logistics for the possible visit, and whether it will take place at all. He said that for safety reasons related to ongoing construction at ground zero Mr. Ahmadinejad would not be allowed to descend into the pit.

"There has been some interest expressed in his visiting the area," Mr. Kelly said. "It's something that we are prepared to handle if in fact it does happen."

Mr. Kelly said Mr. Ahmadinejad had not indicated why he wants to visit the site of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

Several presidential candidates quickly condemned the proposed visit.
"It is an insult to the memories of those who died on 9/11 at the hands of terrorists, and those who have fought terrorism for years, to allow the president of the world's top state sponsor of terrorism to step foot at ground zero," a spokeswoman for Senator Thompson, Karen Hanretty, said. "Iran is responsible for supplying weapons and supporting extremist who are killing U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan to this very day."

A Republican candidate, Mitt Romney, called the plan "shockingly audacious."

"It's inconceivable that any consideration would be given to the idea of entertaining the leader of a state sponsor of terror at ground zero," Mr. Romney said in a statement. "This would deeply offend the sensibilities of Americans from all corners of our nation. Instead of entertaining Ahmadinejad, we should be indicting him."

A major American Jewish leader, Malcolm Hoenlein, said a visit by Mr. Ahmadinejad "would violate the sanctity of the sacred place and the memory of those who perished there."

Mr. Hoenlein, the vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, is a leading figure in organizing a protest against the Iranian leader Monday in front of the U.N.

He told The New York Sun that the Iranian president should be restricted to the immediate vicinity of the U.N. and should not be permitted to travel the full extent of the 25-mile radius that is normally allowed for foreign dignitaries attending meetings at the world body.

Iran has been called the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism" by the U.S. State Department.

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Aren't we still at war with this a$$hole? WTH is our government doing to us? This feels like a cave-in.

 

[MonsterMark]

Aren't we still at war with this a$$hole? WTH is our government doing to us? This feels like a cave-in.

Humm.

We know where he is gonna be and when he is gonna be there. Lot's of tall buildings with lots of dark windows.

 

[fossten]

Humm.

We know where he is gonna be and when he is gonna be there. Lot's of tall buildings with lots of dark windows.

And lots of Secret Service protecting his jihad a$$.

This is an absolute betrayal on the same level as the shamnesty bill.

 

[Calabrio]

Secret Service protects all foreign heads of state.
It's in our best interest to NOT have foreign leaders assassinated while on our soil. That's not a betrayal.

The mere fact that the festering wound, the liberal failure,that haven for tyrants and socialist dictators called the UN is still located in NY- that's a betrayal.

 

[Joeychgo]

Secret Service protects all foreign heads of state.
It's in our best interest to NOT have foreign leaders assassinated while on our soil. That's not a betrayal.

The mere fact that the festering wound, the liberal failure,that haven for tyrants and socialist dictators called the UN is still located in NY- that's a betrayal.

TO be accurate - the DSS, Diplomatic Security Service, protects foreign dignitaries. Its an arm of the State department.

And where would you like the UN to be located? We get home field advantage by having it here.

 

[Garbone]

TO be accurate - the DSS, Diplomatic Security Service, protects foreign dignitaries. Its an arm of the State department.

And where would you like the UN to be located? We get home field advantage by having it here.

That is one thing...to bad it come at such a cost...

 

[glanga]

I read that they aren't letting him go. Ground Zero is under construction and they don't want to give him a Photo Op. Ahmadinejad or however you spell it wanted to visit so he could "see terror first hand" so he claims. But as far as I read they officially declined to let him visit.

He can laugh on our soil all he wants. We'll probably invade his turf soon anyway in some way or another. Then we'll see who is laughing.

 

[MonsterMark]

It's in our best interest to NOT have foreign leaders assassinated while on our soil. That's not a betrayal.

Party pooper. What? So somebody graciously makes Ahmadinejad a permanent member of the Twin Tower victim's memorial and we allow al-qaeda take the credit. Problem solved.

 

[fossten]

Well, well, well...that wonderful edifice of higher learning, Columbia University, has invited I'maDinnerJacket to speak. Gee, I wonder if we can get "Don't tase me bro" boy to go stage a protest! Nah, he'll probably be applauding along with the rest of the brainwashed masses.

What a place of indoctrination that school must be.

 

[Joeychgo]

Just one thought.

What if on some level (I highly doubt it) this is his attempt to break the ice a little with the USA?


Let me pose one more question.

What could his going to the 9/11 site hurt?

Dont jump on me, I didnt say I was in favor of "I'maDinnerJacket" (I love that) going to the site, but just spit balling, what could it hurt?

 

[Calabrio]

TO be accurate - the DSS, Diplomatic Security Service, protects foreign dignitaries. Its an arm of the State department.

And where would you like the UN to be located? We get home field advantage by having it here.

No. The Secret Service is responsible for the protection of high profile dignitaries like that fidget terrorist. The DSS protects American embassies and diplomats.

And where would I like it located? This really falls into the "who gives a crap category." Can you explain what "advantage" we get by hosting that putrid den of vipers in New York?

 

[Calabrio]

Just one thought.
What if on some level (I highly doubt it) this is his attempt to break the ice a little with the USA?
Let me pose one more question.
What could his going to the 9/11 site hurt?
Dont jump on me, I didnt say I was in favor of "I'maDinnerJacket" (I love that) going to the site, but just spit balling, what could it hurt?

There's symbolizism. It's disrepectful of all those that died or have fallen in there. It's a photo op. It's a matter of principle.

I heard ex-Mayor Koch make an interesting suggestion. If he had insisted upon going there, a volunteer group of all Jewish NYPD officers should have provided the support.

 

[shagdrum]

If he is trying to make a jesture of good will here, then considering his background (and Iran's in general) this is about the dumbest one he can make. He would have to be really dumb, to consider this a good will jesture, and he isn't. He didn't get to where he is by being dumb. Crazy, yes, but dumb, no. He is purposely lookin to put egg on the face of the US here, and score political points in his own country.

 

[psungee]

I know my opinion (as a Canadian) may not be entirely welcome here but... we'll all survive if y' get mad at me over it.

It seems a bit odd to me if he, of all people, would be given such an opportunity to be ANY sort of tourist not to speak of visiting such sites when your government has made it so hard for your friends to the north to travel to visit - not to speak of the need for Americans to have paperwork (passports) to get back into their own country.

I can't help but continue to think that terrorism is taking a big win by making what was once a friendly border a tougher place to pass - so unlike what's happening on the other side of the pond.

While I, personally, don't have tons of respect for the UN, I still recognize its importance as an international institution ... and IMHO having it in the U.S. is a wonderful symbol of the potential for ongoing American greatness, justice and a sense of mercy (in spite of the obvious BS going on behind the so private walls of this internationally, publicly funded institution).

 

[Joeychgo]

Your comments are very welcome here. Hell, we let fossten post, why not you?

 

[shagdrum]

While I, personally, don't have tons of respect for the UN, I still recognize its importance as an international institution .

...must be more "enlightened" then me

What is so important about it?

I would say it is as worthless as the "League of Nations" before WW2.

 

[fossten]

Your comments are very welcome here. Hell, we let fossten post, why not you?

You have a heart as big as an armpit.

 

[psungee]

Well, it's a venue for people who "hate" each other to "talk" rather than fight. There are many arenas for enemies to battle - on each other's lands, on strangers' lands ... but to talk - when you're sufficiently angry that you can't see anything but red....

It's just a venue to communicate with something other than a fist.

Personally, I couldn't imagine having to fight everyone I don't care for. Even, sometimes, we find ourselves working with people with whom we wouldn't, otherwise, get along. Some would refer to such a situation as "being an adult"

 

[MonsterMark]

What if on some level (I highly doubt it) this is his attempt to break the ice a little with the USA?
........

What could his going to the 9/11 site hurt?

This is a perfect example of the long-term effects of suffering from BDS.

What could it hurt?

Why not just let the guy stand on the last fallen beam and let him do the Macarena?

I mean, why not let Pol-Pot host a benefit for the survivors he didn't kill.

Let Hitler take a picture at one of the concentration camps and then auction off the photo to a Jewish charity.

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I can't believe you really even asked the question, or that anybody in the United States actually even considered the 'proposal'.

Sure, let's give DinnerJacket one the greatest terrorist photo ops ever.

Let's let him sit there and smile smugly with his squinty little eyes.

Let's let him proclaim that you can cut the heart out of America and then go stand on it.

Let him proclaim to the muslim world to rise up against the great paper tiger.

Sure, let him parade around and make a joke of us.

The guy has no good intentions. He will wait until he gets the upper hand (nuclear) and then deal the blows to us and Israel.

The guy doesn't give a damn if he dies. He gets his virgins , and more importantly, infamy of being the hero to the muslim world.

This is why no Democrat can ever be trusted to command the Oval Office. The stakes are too great.

I can just see Hillary inviting the guy to stay in the Lincoln bedroom so we can work out our differences.

If you can't see the danger in a simple photo op, I can understand the BDS. We're just living in different worlds.:shifty:

I don't want the guy here. I don't want the U.N. here. 'F' the U.N. Move it to Somalia for all I care. At least there will be more parking spaces for New Yorkers. The guy needs to be stopped before he kills millions.

Ironically, he will be here and a Barret M107 .50 caliber round away from solving our problems. Instead, we'll spend a couple hundred billion a year or two from now to do the same thing.

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On a lighter note...
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[fossten]

Well, it's a venue for people who "hate" each other to "talk" rather than fight.

You mean talk openly while secretly making plans behind each other's back, like North Korea did, and France and Russia did with Saddam in the 90's?

There are many arenas for enemies to battle - on each other's lands, on strangers' lands ... but to talk - when you're sufficiently angry that you can't see anything but red....

What in the world are you talking about?

It's just a venue to communicate with something other than a fist.

You mean a venue to channel oil-for-food money into bribes for Security Council nations like France and Russia, so they can veto any action against Iraq?

Personally, I couldn't imagine having to fight everyone I don't care for. Even, sometimes, we find ourselves working with people with whom we wouldn't, otherwise, get along. Some would refer to such a situation as "being an adult"

If you were the most powerful dude on the block, and a bunch of anklebiting rabid dogs were hanging around with slavering jaws growling and snapping at your heels, you'd just let them bite you because you don't want to be seen as immature? What if they were eyeing your wife or kids? I can see it now: "Honey, let's just ignore them, or maybe we can kneel down and give them a doggie treat. When they see that we mean them no harm, their rabies won't cause them to bite us."

So was Ronald Reagan being an adult when he walked away from Reykjavik and spurned "talks" with the Soviets, and then later bankrupted them until they collapsed?

Was it mature for Madelyn Albright to TALK to the North Koreans while they laughed at her behind her back and continued to develop nukes?

Was it mature for Jimmuh Carter to TALK to the Israelis and convince them to give up even more land because that would GUARANTEE that they'd never get attacked by the Arabs again?

Would it have been mature for Bush 41 to have talked to Saddam back in 1991 after he invaded Kuwait? Yeah, Saddam might have had a chance to explain that the whole thing was a big misunderstanding and all his tanks just had bad brakes.

Is it mature for Bush and Rice to continue to talk to DinnerJacket even though he's openly DEFIED the UN resolutions TO DATE, and made a mockery of the US while still developing nukes?

I guess you'd say that the mature thing to do while our big cities are going up in smoke would be to sit down at the UN and talk about it, right? After all, what's a few cities compared to making nicenice and kissyface so the media won't whine about warmongering? Let's all just get along, the world ISN'T dangerous, and the United States is an evil country!
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[MonsterMark]

Did you play my link? I thought that was damn funny and very hick.

Doesn't anybody realize that DinnerJacket was involved in the Iran Hostage Crisis? Does anybody care?

8 good men died during Operation Eagle Claw trying to rescue those people.

Carter was (is) a wuss. Negotiations didn't bring about their release, the election of Ronald Reagan and his iron fist did.

Peace thru strength. Get It.

It is the only thing that is going to save this world. The U.N. will only serve to hasten this country's and the world's demise.

 

[psungee]

The guy doesn't give a damn if he dies. He gets his virgins , and more importantly, infamy of being the hero to the muslim world.

I tend (big surprise) to disagree. I believe he cares VERY much for his life, however, like most others of his ilk, he cares little if at all for the lives of those he would send to "explode themselves". It's never the terrorist leaders that go out and commit suicide - it's always the weak-minded followers who are manipulated into pursuing that unlimited number of virgins.

 

[fossten]

Did you play my link? I thought that was damn funny and very hick.

Doesn't anybody realize that DinnerJacket was involved in the Iran Hostage Crisis? Does anybody care?

8 good men died during Operation Eagle Claw trying to rescue those people.

Carter was (is) a wuss. Negotiations didn't bring about their release, the election of Ronald Reagan and his iron fist did.

Peace thru strength. Get It.

It is the only thing that is going to save this world. The U.N. will only serve to hasten this country's and the world's demise.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

- Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus

 

[Joeychgo]

This is a perfect example of the long-term effects of suffering from BDS.

Not at all. I said before, im not in favor of it, just exploring the issue. I think we should whack him while he's here.

 

[psungee]

Well, I expected to be mostly alone in my opinions
We don't actually know each other but let's say we were neighbours and we argued about absolutely everything from who has the nicer grass and car and home to who's daddy is bigger. It gets so bad that we come to blows and just CAN'T stand each other. Then we come to LVC and someone says, "look, both nice grass, cars and homes - just different ... and helps us to find a way to get along. Your argument might, reasonably, be “Yeah - but we’re capable of being reasonable people.” Well, you talk to people like that because you hope for a breakthrough - not because you expect one.

You mean talk openly while secretly making plans behind each other's back, like North Korea did, and France and Russia did with Saddam in the 90's? You mean a venue to channel oil-for-food money into bribes for Security Council nations like France and Russia, so they can veto any action against Iraq?

Let’s face it, in every government organization from Canada the United States and Israel to India, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan, etc. there is massive corruption. I’m not certain I understand why you would set a higher standard for the UN. As I clearly stated, I’m not a supporter per se but I still think it’s a necessary evil. Personally, before disbanding the UN I would want to disband the world court in The Hague ... or those “We need to judge the world (which is safe for us ‘cause we’re flippin’ perfect)” d1ckheads in Brussels.

France, Russia, England ... Iran (in “Persia” days) - virtually all countries have had, in the past, or currently have some degree of “imperial” aspirations. To me, France is one of the great nations for showing their frustration at their failed imperial past. In my opinion, this is manifested through routine acts of international treachery and self-service.

If you were the most powerful dude on the block, and a bunch of anklebiting rabid dogs were hanging around with slavering jaws growling and snapping at your heels, you'd just let them bite you because you don't want to be seen as immature? What if they were eyeing your wife or kids? I can see it now: "Honey, let's just ignore them, or maybe we can kneel down and give them a doggie treat. When they see that we mean them no harm, their rabies won't cause them to bite us."

To think I am suggesting acquiescing to terrorists or abusers is as silly as suggesting acquiescence to bullies. To close the door to “discussion” is, in my opinion, just as silly.

Was it mature for Madelyn Albright to TALK to the North Koreans while they laughed at her behind her back and continued to develop nukes?

Outside of my ability to comment - a) I know too little about her other than I never understood how/why she got the job and b) in my relatively limited knowledge of ongoing and historical American politics I was never actually aware of any accomplishments, on her part, in that position (other than getting the job).

Was it mature for Jimmuh Carter to TALK to the Israelis and convince them to give up even more land because that would GUARANTEE that they'd never get attacked by the Arabs again?

Would it have been mature for Bush 41 to have talked to Saddam back in 1991 after he invaded Kuwait? Yeah, Saddam might have had a chance to explain that the whole thing was a big misunderstanding and all his tanks just had bad brakes.

Mature - yes. Responsible - probably not. (BTW... WMD)

Is it mature for Bush and Rice to continue to talk to DinnerJacket even though he's openly DEFIED the UN resolutions TO DATE, and made a mockery of the US while still developing nukes?

I guess you'd say that the mature thing to do while our big cities are going up in smoke would be to sit down at the UN and talk about it, right? After all, what's a few cities compared to making nicenice and kissyface so the media won't whine about warmongering? Let's all just get along, the world ISN'T dangerous, and the United States is an evil country!
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If I ever suggested the US should roll over under attack or let it's guard down with an outspoken enemy - my mistake - I didn’t meant to. I’m more inclined, however, to think you’re interpolating.

Look, just because you “talk” to someone it doesn’t mean you “surrender” to them or let your guard down. Let me come back to and adjust, a little, my (rather lame) example of us as neighbours at odds. While fists fly, it would be useful to have the guy across the street trying to help us live together. It doesn’t mean that you won’t vandalize my car for having parked on your ugly brown grass - claiming that little patch as mine. We still fight and the guy across the street, who gets along with us but doesn’t particularly like either one of us, tries to find a way for us to live together (because “he” wants peace on his block).