Alveda King speaks on who her uncle Martin Luther King Jr. would support.

[foxpaws]

I think that provides a good representation of where she came from, for whatever it's worth.
If you chose to believe that she didn't know her Uncle, or more importantly, didn't understand what he stood for, or that her father had no relationship with her. that's up to you. They didn't pass out attendence sheets during the civil rights movement. And they usually didn't put teenage girls in the picture with MLK. So, you'll basically have to decide for yourself- she's a liar or she's not.

She knew her uncle - yes, how well - certainly speculation. From everything I have read he barely knew his own children, and was away from home far more that at home.

And why would he object to a non-partisan rally about Restoring Honor, about Faith, Hope, and Charity and equal justice, and where a seven figure donation will be made to the Special Operations Warrior Fund?

I don't think he would object - I just don't think he would be there. Alveda states in the first pp that he would chose to be there. I think his choice would be Detroit, and not DC. He had close union ties, the UAW was a sponsor of the original march, Jesse worked closely with King, MLK actually gave the "I have a dream" speech first in Detroit - or most of it. The original March in Detroit happened before the original DC march and was sort of the kick-off event. I think that the Detroit march would be closer to MLKs vision than Beck's in DC. But that is speculation on my part - just as Alveda's is. Perhaps mine is based a bit more in reality than hers - but still, total speculation.

And you have accused me of 'pre-writing' the event - where exactly did you get your information that there will be a 7-figure donation made to SOWF?

I agree. We have Alveda Kings perspective. We have yours.
I'm personally not interested in either.

So, Cal - and I am really interested in this - why did you post the article - bait?

But her involvement does contradict the claim that the event is racist.
It's not an insult to King.
And the orchestrated attacks on the 8-28 event and those associated with it by the statists like you are disgusting and disingenuous.

I think having the event held on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on the exact date of King's "I have a dream" speech, should be an event that commemorates him. You have stated, and the Restore Honor people have also stated that it won't. The event isn't and won't be racist - they will bend over backwards to make sure that it isn't, but it is a famous day in history, and at the exact location that one of the most famous speeches in American history was made. To not have some of it be about MLK is wrong.

You're getting angry and frustrated and it's evident in your posting. That's not good, you know the "rules."
Has anyone else noticed the change in foxpaw's tone lately?
Why is that?

"Rules" I thought I only played by Alinsky's rules - right?

I think frustration is the tone you detect, I rarely get angry. And I can trace it to one thread.

 

[foxpaws]

Sounds fictional to me - or perhaps he'd like to visit us and validate his 'creds.' I won't hold my breath - I wouldn't be surprised if you sockpuppeted just to bolster yet another of your phony narratives. You probably don't really live in CO either.

Got me - I live in Wonderland foss... and he is the Jabberwocky, and I dress up like Alice

Scott Brown, Chris Christie, Sharron Angle, Marco Rubio, and many others say "HI!"

10 years foss - 10 years, where will they be?

Your faux 'kind words' fall flat. You'd like nothing better than for your wishful thinking in your quote at the top of this post to come true. You're a phony.

Nope - I hope they get lots of money for a worthy cause. I wish people would just donate directly - but, if it takes a rally to get money to the cause, then I hope they reap the benefits.

 

[shagdrum]

I think frustration is the tone you detect, I rarely get angry. And I can trace it to one thread.

Or, more accurately, you rarely show anger. However, you have taken to character assassination on this forum of people you were at one point on friendlier terms with.

You create and perpetuate false narratives to ostracize, subtly bait and generally approach anyone calling out your lies, misdirections and distortions in a manner dripping with snark.

 

[fossten]

10 years foss - 10 years, where will they be?

You always frame things with the political mindset. You continue to pound the square peg of the Tea Parties, which are pure grassroots organizations made up of people who are fed up with government overtaxation and overspending, into the round hole of party politics as usual.

You just don't get it.

It's not about forming a third party - it's about reforming government. I'd say they've been very effective given the results of the elections so far, and given your apoplectic reaction to everything they do.

And fox, since you're editing your post - is it Wonderland or OZ? You can't decide where you live now?

And since you brought up dressing like Alice...

Let me just say that she fills out the dress more than you.

 

[foxpaws]

Or, more accurately, you rarely show anger. However, you have taken to character assassination on this forum of people you were at one point on friendlier terms with.

You create and perpetuate false narratives to ostracize, subtly bait and generally approach anyone calling out your lies, misdirections and distortions in a manner dripping with snark.

Your honor I rest my case... the case of tit for tat. One can only take so much 'assassination' before they bite back. Oddly shag - you eventually found my bite back point. Took months and months of you hurling insults like water balloons at me, but, eventually I bit.

snark, snark - or in your case I should say bark, bark.

 

[fossten]

Your honor I rest my case... the case of tit for tat. One can only take so much 'assassination' before they bite back. Oddly shag - you eventually found my bite back point. Took months and months of you hurling insults like water balloons at me, but, eventually I bit.

snark, snark - or in your case I should say bark, bark.

6. Foxpaws happily plays victim and continues to deflect...

 

[foxpaws]

You always frame things with the political mindset.

Yes I do - because eventually it will framed within a political mindset - read much history Foss? Perhaps you should learn from it... How many grassroots movements have come and gone - dozens and dozens... this one is no different...

And fox, since you're editing your post - is it Wonderland or OZ? You can't decide where you live now?

I decided on wonderland - Alice has better a better costume than Dorothy. Plus, there is the whole Kansas thing - sorry shag...

 

[fossten]

Yes I do - because eventually it will framed within a political mindset - read much history Foss? Perhaps you should learn from it... How many grassroots movements have come and gone - dozens and dozens... this one is no different...

You keep protesting such, and yet you have a seizure every time they hit the news or something gets posted here. Methinketh the snark doth protest too much.

And yes, I read a lot of history - enough to know that you statists are bent on destruction of liberty and freedom, and that you hate the Tea Parties for a reason.

 

[Calabrio]

It's interesting to have watched the evolution of the attacks on this event, foxpaws has expressed most of them here.

Initially it started off with the "outrage" that the cost of the event was going to be nothing more than an elaborate scheme to launch a book. (Remember that, fowpaws? I do.)

And then it was that this is a giant scam to raise money, but there isn't going to be an event because they haven't gotten the permit. The parks department doesn't formally issue the permit until the week before the event- and it was issued.

Then it was the outrage over the 8-28 date and the association with the "I Have a Dream" Speech.

As mentioned before, this is ultimately just a historic coincidence. The original idea was to hold the event on 9-12, but that falls on a Sunday. It would be distasteful and inappropriate to hold the event on 9-11. 8-28 just happened to be the most convenient when considering their schedules and the availability of the mall, and it provided the opportunity for families to bring their kids to the event. When I was in school in the North East, we didn't start classes until around Labor Day.

When I hear about the "I have a Dream" speech, I don't think "8/28". The date isn't part of the memory. I'm confident most people don't know the date or associate the day with anything. I don't.

And then we had the faux outrage that the fundraiser's cost would be covered by the donations. As someone who claims to be closely involved with charity, fowpaws knows full well that it is almost universal that the money generated at a fundraiser is first used to pay the cost and then the balance goes to the cause, yet she launched the attack anyway. This is why a poorly conceptualized or organized fundraiser will cost the charity money.

Beck spared SOWF the liability, promising to cover the cost of the event if the fundraising proved unsuccessful. He personally took on the liability. Fortunately for everybody, that wasn't the case. It look like the SOWF will be receiving a 7 figure check. You asked why I say this? Because the break even point was announced weeks ago.

Ultimately, because of the raw hate and intolerance of the political far left, they've been very reluctant to release the names of any participants at the event for fear of intimidation. ABC News pulled their charity auction for SOWF after being blasted by Mother Jones.

And note her tone lately.
She's really lashing out. Where's the "gosh-shucks" belittling she loved to use before?

The real question is why is the radical left so mobilized against Beck's little event? If he's so absurd or "stupid," why is he such a target? Why does Media Matters devote countless pages everyday essentially lying about his message? Why is the White House administration actively attacking him. From the White House advisors who are leading 4 boycotts against him, to the cabinet member who'll be attending a "counter protest" on the same day... by the way, if the event is called "Restoring Honor" and emphasizing faith, hope, and charity- what is a counter protest embracing?

Foxpaws even made the time to stop by here and echo the attacks by Sojourners marxist Jim Wallace (another Obama advisor). She's an excellent little propagandist.
And I say that only because I'm confident she knows the truth, but that she justifies the smears, the lies, and the propaganda because it's in the pursuit of her political end goal.

 

[shagdrum]

Your honor I rest my case... the case of tit for tat. One can only take so much 'assassination' before they bite back. Oddly shag - you eventually found my bite back point. Took months and months of you hurling insults like water balloons at me, but, eventually I bit.

Is that the best you can offer; that the character assassination you engage in is justified? You do realize that you are admitting that you engage in character assassination of individuals on this forum.

How about this; stop engaging in lies, distortions and misdirection and simply approach these discussions honestly? If you could do that, you would have a lot to offer.

 

[shagdrum]

And I say that only because I'm confident she knows the truth, but that she justifies the smears, the lies, and the propaganda because it's in the pursuit of her political end goal.

The only principle observed by demagogues and propagandists is the principle of expediency.

 

[Calabrio]

To not have some of it be about MLK is wrong

Who said that his unifying message wasn't going to be embraced?
We're sitting here having a discussion about his niece being involved at the event, about MLKs pursuit of equal justice and non-violent protest, of a color blind society and the powerful themes of the "I Have a Dream" speech. About living a principled life with faith and hope and how the event will also be about individual liberty and freedom.

With nothing more to say, with no more defensible attacks, you just fall back on the "it's disrespectful to MLK" talking point that has been thoroughly discredited.

 

[fossten]

Note the contradiction.

I think frustration is the tone you detect, I rarely get angry. And I can trace it to one thread.

Oddly shag - you eventually found my bite back point. Took months and months of you hurling insults like water balloons at me, but, eventually I bit.

snark, snark - or in your case I should say bark, bark.

 

[fossten]

Is that the best you can offer; that the character assassination you engage in is justified? You do realize that you are admitting that you engage in character assassination of individuals on this forum.

How about this; stop engaging in lies, distortions and misdirection and simply approach these discussions honestly? If you could do that, you would have a lot to offer.

She's all "wee wee'd up", that's for sure.

 

[foxpaws]

It's interesting to have watched the evolution of the attacks on this event, foxpaws has expressed most of them here.

Initially it started off with the "outrage" that the cost of the event was going to be nothing more than an elaborate scheme to launch a book. (Remember that, fowpaws? I do.)

And then it was that this is a giant scam to raise money, but there isn't going to be an event because they haven't gotten the permit. The parks department doesn't formally issue the permit until the week before the event- and it was issued.

Then it was the outrage over the 8-28 date and the association with the "I Have a Dream" Speech.

Oddly enough Cal - it took the lefts outrage for the organizers to put things 'right'. It wasn't until after the left mentioned those problems, that things got changed.

It became a pattern - first Beck announced a book - the left pointed out that it seemed odd the rally would be promoting a book, and not Restoring Honor, the book idea was dropped. Then the whole fund raising thing - then Beck promised to foot the costs if they weren't met and has been holding little auctions on his site to promote the charity - after it was brought to the attention of the public by the 'left'. The MLK tie in - Beck seemed to be clueless, but after it was brought to his attention by the left, then wow - lets get Alveda to talk about her uncle, and how MLK would have just loved to have come.

It is a pattern, the left notices something askew - mentions it -or even splashes it all over everything so someone might pay some attention - and then, quietly at Beck headquarters, things get changed.

As mentioned before, this is ultimately just a historic coincidence. The original idea was to hold the event on 9-12, but that falls on a Sunday.

You don't have it the day before - or 2 days before or the day after - why 2 weeks before - and it isn't because of the whole school thing - Beck has kids, he knows schools starts in August - it has for a couple of decades Cal - there won't be any kids at the event unless they are pulled out of school.

When I hear about the "I have a Dream" speech, I don't think "8/28". The date isn't part of the memory. I'm confident most people don't know the date or associate the day with anything. I don't.

Well you should - you should watch the march - how hot it was, the dog days of august - after a summer of marches and events it was the 'grand' event of the civil rights movement. You should know when it happened Cal - ignorance isn't a great excuse. And for someone like Beck, who is supposedly this great history buff, and is all about MLK, embracing his vision, his ideals, perhaps knowing the date of his most famous speech, probably one of the most famous speeches in American history, wouldn't be too much to ask.

And then we had the faux outrage that the fundraiser's cost would be covered by the donations. As someone who claims to be closely involved with charity, fowpaws knows full well that it is almost universal that the money generated at a fundraiser is first used to pay the cost and then the balance goes to the cause, yet she launched the attack anyway. This is why a poorly conceptualized or organized fundraiser will cost the charity money.

Depends on the fundraiser - I have been to many where 100% of the funds raised went to the charity. I have been to many where a set percentage went - and many where almost none went because of the whole 'pay for the event first' clause. The question I brought to the table was that people needed to know that their money wasn't going to go to the charity until after the costs of the rally were met. Many people don't know that, nor do they read the fine print.

Beck spared SOWF the liability, promising to cover the cost of the event if the fundraising proved unsuccessful. He personally took on the liability. Fortunately for everybody, that wasn't the case. It look like the SOWF will be receiving a 7 figure check. You asked why I say this? Because the break even point was announced weeks ago.

was it - where?

And note her tone lately.
She's really lashing out. Where's the "gosh-shucks" belittling she loved to use before?

Gosh, shucks Cal - maybe I just got tired of being called this - and you did call me this before you so righteously edited your post - well, you didn't edit mine - you forgot.

And the orchestrated attacks on the 8-28 event and those associated with it by the statists like you are disgusting and disingenuous.

Your true colors show all the time Cal - what you type pre edit says volumes... what you edit says even more -

And I say that only because I'm confident she knows the truth, but that she justifies the smears, the lies, and the propaganda because it's in the pursuit of her political end goal.

What truth do I know Cal - that MLK would have attended this rally? What is my political end goal? Since I am disgusting and disingenuous how would you have any idea, how do you get into the mind of someone who is so awful.

 

[Calabrio]

Oddly enough Cal - it took the lefts outrage for the organizers to put things 'right'. It wasn't until after the left mentioned those problems, that things got changed.

No, you're chronology of events is completely wrong, you're lying about the characterization and intention of the criticism, and your charge is without merit. But it's a nice revisionist attempt.

What truth do I know Cal - that MLK would have attended this rally?

Of course not, at best we can only speculate on that subject.
It's even more difficult to determine considering you don't know they are planning to do at the event. A curious fact considering the intensity of the counter protests- what are they counter protesting?

What do you find so offensive. Or are you just blindly attacking anything that you think we'll result in less statism?

What is my political end goal?

Perhaps you should be honest about it and spare me the trouble of having analyze it?

Since I am disgusting and disingenuous how would you have any idea, how do you get into the mind of someone who is so awful.

You're right, it is difficult because, as you acknowledge here, I certainly can't take what you say at face value.

But let's not let foxpaws pull this subject into the weeds. That's her MO.
Her point is without merit, so now she'll seize the opportunity to pull it completely off topic and we'll spend four pages argue some ridiculous, unimportant minutia.

 

[foxpaws]

No, you're chronology of events is completely wrong and your charge is without merit. But it's a nice revisionist attempt.

No, it actually isn't - but why should you bring in the truth at this point cal...

You're right, it is difficult because, as you acknowledge here, I certainly can't take what you say at face value.

And why should I take what you say at face value...

Why did you edit what you called me Cal? Would you answer that?

 

[foxpaws]

But let's not let foxpaws pull this subject into the weeds. That's her MO.
Her point is without merit, so now she'll seize the opportunity to pull it completely off topic and we'll spend four pages argue some ridiculous, unimportant minutia.

My point is without merit - my point? My point all along has been that Alveda doesn't speak for her uncle - something you at one point conceded... But, no, the right here has to drag this all over the place - bringing up crap, just because you know I was right, and you can't admit it.

 

[shagdrum]

You are consistent, foxy, I will give you that. Anything to subvert the truth and to subvert productive discourse.

 

[Calabrio]

You are consistent, foxy, I will give you that. Anything to subvert the truth and to subvert productive discourse.

She's a pro.

 

[fossten]

Gosh, shucks Cal - maybe I just got tired of being called this - and you did call me this before you so righteously edited your post - well, you didn't edit mine - you forgot.



Your true colors show all the time Cal - what you type pre edit says volumes... what you edit says even more -

What colors are those? That Cal doesn't like liars?

You're quite the professional demagogue, fox.

I read your link, and I didn't see where Cal called you anything. But even if he did - you're outraged that he may have thought better of it and deleted it? Either he's wrong for typing it or wrong for deleting it - you can't have it both ways.

It's not the first time somebody's done that.

I still haven't seen the proof of your claim, and now you're trolling, hijacking the thread to make it all about you.

But at least you're back to the rules, eh fox?

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.