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Another Bogus Report Card for U.S. Medical Care
By John Stossel
Wednesday, August 29, 2007

In May, the Commonwealth Fund issued its latest comparison of the U.S. medical system with five other wealthy nations' systems: Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand and Great Britain.

Predictably, the study begins: "Despite having the most costly health system in the world, the United States consistently underperforms."

I was immediately suspicious, considering the loaded study by the World Health Organization seven years ago. (I wrote about it last week.)

My suspicion was justified. It turns out the new study is almost as biased as the WHO's. The authors write, "The U.S. is the only country in the study without universal health insurance coverage, partly accounting for its poor performance on access, equity, and health outcomes."

I see. America "underperforms" because we don't have enough government intervention.

But while the U.S. lost points for not having national health insurance, the authors added, "f insured, patients in the U.S. have rapid access to specialized health care services."

That's an understatement. Insured Americans have almost immediate access to cutting-edge procedures performed by some of the best-trained doctors. It's why our outcomes for such diseases as prostate and breast cancer are markedly better than in Canada's and Britain's socialized systems. The Commonwealth Fund doesn't mention that.

The United States is the center of medical innovation for the world. When internists ranked the world's top 10 medical innovations, eight were developed thanks to American innovations. The Commonwealth Fund ignores all that and focuses almost exclusively on the problems of our uninsured population.

As I've noted previously, the problem of the 45 million uninsured is exaggerated. The statistics represent a snapshot, and many uninsured people are reinsured in less than a year. The same people are not uninsured year in and year out.

The Commonwealth Fund study divides "quality" into right (effective) care, safe care, coordinated care and patient-centered care. The U.S. placed fifth or sixth in the last three.

But where did the U.S. place in "right care"?

First.

"Right care" is the most important criterion because it includes things like how often women have mammograms and whether diabetics get proper treatment.

The Commonwealth Fund ranked the U.S. last in "equity": "Americans with below-average incomes were much more likely than their counterparts in other countries to report not visiting a physician when sick, not getting a recommended test, treatment or follow-up care ... because of costs."

But how much of that is due to the government's increasing the cost of care and insurance through mandates, a tax code that encourages reliance on expensive insurance and bureaucratic red tape?

The Commonwealth Fund's study has other problems. It was based on telephone interviews with patients and doctors. So it grades nations on people's perceptions without controlling for their expectations. Yet patients who live in a country with long waits for medical care and bureaucratic inefficiency may have low expectations.

More ridiculous is the arbitrary way the Commonwealth Fund assigns weight to each of its measures. The proportion of patients who say they got infected at a hospital counts about the same in the "quality" measure as the proportion of doctors who use automated computer systems to remind them to tell patients their test results. Those things aren't equal in my book.

The study's authors also consider having high administrative costs and spending the largest share of GDP on health care worse than having the highest share of patients who wait four months or more for surgery. This seems designed to make the U.S. look bad.

Finally, the study penalizes nations for having large numbers of patients who spent more than $1,000 on medical care out of pocket, as if third-party payment is somehow superior.

Michael Cannon, the Cato Institute's director of health policy studies, summed up what's wrong with the study: "The report does nothing more than reveal which nation does the worst job of satisfying the subjective preferences of the people who conducted this study."

Fans of the Canadian system should note that Canada ranked fifth out of six and did worse than the U.S. in many ways.

Are you listening, Michael Moore?

John Stossel is an award-winning news correspondent and author of Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity: Get Out the Shovel--Why Everything You Know is Wrong.
 
I dont know exactly what to make of this political football.

But, there are a few things I have experienced that makes me thing our Health care system is some big issues.

For one. I noticed something interesting when my wife left her job a few years back.

When the cobra papers came in, they wanted around $600 a month for her health insurance to be continued. Yet, I was able to insure her privately for about $160 a month. The plans were pretty similar as far as coverages go. So why the disparity?

Not to leave the doctors out. I had another eye opening experience. I had tendonitis in my elbow. I went to a Dr and was exampined and given a shot of cortizone. The whole visit lasted about 20 minutes. When I got the bill, I was shocked. The bill broke down like this:
  • $15 for the medication
  • $100 for the office visit
  • $180 for the Dr to give the injection.
$180 to stick the needle in? That took all of about 1 minute. Maybe 2. More time was spent with the paperwork. Can you imagine hiring a plumber and he charges you $100 for his time to install a faucet and another $180 to turn the water valve?

Once more, the Insurance company said I had to pay it because it was considered part of my deductible as a - get this - surgical procedure.

I dont know how we compare against other countries and I dont really care. But the idea that our Health care industry is based on our capitalist principals is hogwash. If your hurt, you go to the closest hospital. If your not insured, you pay much more. Twice as much as an insurance company would for the same treatment. There isnt any comparitive shopping, nor any benefit to doing so if you have insurance. Your usually stuck with the insurance company your employer provides, and the medical practitioners they contract with, unless your willing to pay through the nose yourself.

I dont care what happens in Canada, I just know, what we have isnt working as well as it could and should. I suspect that we could do alot to fix the system with a few regulations.

For example, require hospitals and doctors to have 1 price, regardless of insurance or private pay. A visit to a Doctor should cost the same for the insured as the uninsured.

Doctors and hospitals should be one some kind of fee schedule and maybe a rating system. Some kind of fee averaging rating or something, indicating how expensive the Dr is overall so you can compare one doctor's prices to another.

Just a few thoughts randomly tossed out there.
 
I dont know exactly what to make of this political football.

But, there are a few things I have experienced that makes me thing our Health care system is some big issues.

For one. I noticed something interesting when my wife left her job a few years back.

When the cobra papers came in, they wanted around $600 a month for her health insurance to be continued. Yet, I was able to insure her privately for about $160 a month. The plans were pretty similar as far as coverages go. So why the disparity?

Not to leave the doctors out. I had another eye opening experience. I had tendonitis in my elbow. I went to a Dr and was exampined and given a shot of cortizone. The whole visit lasted about 20 minutes. When I got the bill, I was shocked. The bill broke down like this:
  • $15 for the medication
  • $100 for the office visit
  • $180 for the Dr to give the injection.
$180 to stick the needle in? That took all of about 1 minute. Maybe 2. More time was spent with the paperwork. Can you imagine hiring a plumber and he charges you $100 for his time to install a faucet and another $180 to turn the water valve?

Once more, the Insurance company said I had to pay it because it was considered part of my deductible as a - get this - surgical procedure.

I dont know how we compare against other countries and I dont really care. But the idea that our Health care industry is based on our capitalist principals is hogwash. If your hurt, you go to the closest hospital. If your not insured, you pay much more. Twice as much as an insurance company would for the same treatment. There isnt any comparitive shopping, nor any benefit to doing so if you have insurance. Your usually stuck with the insurance company your employer provides, and the medical practitioners they contract with, unless your willing to pay through the nose yourself.

I dont care what happens in Canada, I just know, what we have isnt working as well as it could and should. I suspect that we could do alot to fix the system with a few regulations.

For example, require hospitals and doctors to have 1 price, regardless of insurance or private pay. A visit to a Doctor should cost the same for the insured as the uninsured.

Doctors and hospitals should be one some kind of fee schedule and maybe a rating system. Some kind of fee averaging rating or something, indicating how expensive the Dr is overall so you can compare one doctor's prices to another.

Just a few thoughts randomly tossed out there.
Joey,

You're complaining largely about the costs of healthcare in this country. That isn't in dispute. But you are failing to recognize the reasons behind the cost of healthcare.

1. Malpractice actions - these are the biggest offender, forcing healthcare costs through the roof. Lawyers like John Edwards have enriched themselves off the pocketbooks of insurance companies who have to pay up every time some doctor misses a diagnosis that caused Aunt Maude's dysentery to act up. Who do you think pays for that? Follow the trail - malpractice insurance companies raise premiums, doctor has to pay those, doctor raises prices, you pay more. Doctors also are being forced to practice defensive medicine to protect themselves from lawsuits, which means more tests and multiple diagnoses and prognoses for you every time you visit. They must cover every possibility in order to avoid being sued. This drives costs up as well.

2. People don't have to go see a doctor for minor things. But many people visit the emergency room for a splinter or a piece of chalk in their eye or something. What do you think it's going to cost?

3. I, too, had tendinitis, back in 1999. In both elbows. I knew what it was and rather than opting for the cortizone shot, I treated myself by wearing an elbow sleeve and by ceasing the activity that caused it. Finally went away after about a year.

4. Fee schedules? What you're advocating is socialistic healthcare, just like Hillary wants. What you don't realize is that the unintended consequences of this will result in very poor quality of healthcare in this country. You have to ask yourself - is it better to have low cost healthcare, or good healthcare? You can't have both. That is a fact. If you depress the market, there will be less of an incentive for more young, bright people to enter the healthcare profession, which means eventually you will be treated by some yahoo who might really screw you up.

5. Any time you want to save money on a doctor visit, go to your local free clinic. Observe the quality of the care you receive there, and WATCH OUT for the cockroaches skittering across the floor!

6. COBRA is designed as an incentive to find new employment or to purchase your own plan. I'm glad you found a cheaper alternative, but think about it - it's a market issue that the government should stay out of. Governments are not good at "helping" markets. They are better at hurting them.
 
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problem area. Tesla walked up to a wall of boilerplate and made a
small X in chalk on one of the plates. Ford was thrilled, and told him
to send an invoice.

The bill arrived, for $10,000. Ford asked for a breakdown. Tesla sent
another invoice, indicating a $1 charge for marking the wall with an
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[*]$15 for the medication
[*]$100 for the office visit
[*]$180 for the Dr to give the injection

So you bought the good doctor a nice chrome wheel. What's so bad about that.

Heck, I had a $800 bill to have a mole removed that took literally 12 seconds. Of course I had to sit in a cold dank room for an hour for the 'doctor' to show up and perform his $800 procedure. To be fair, they did do a biopsy but that added another $400.:eek:
 
The entire point of the article has been lost here.

The issue isn't whether health care is expensive. It is. You're dealing with high end technology. High over head. People who have to get expensive schooling and training for nearly a decade. And then you have the legal problems and market factors entering into the price.

But Stossel is taking direct issue with the way that these "quality" surveys are determined. They repeatedly say that the U.S. system doesn't "perform," but then use a completely biased and ridiculous way of making this judgment.

"The U.S. is the only country in the study without universal health insurance coverage, partly accounting for its poor performance on access, equity, and health outcomes."

So, if the government ensures everyone gets the same level of inferior care, or if everyone has to wait four months for routine surgery, according to these surveys, the system performs better than ours according to these reports..
 
The entire point of the article has been lost here.

The issue isn't whether health care is expensive. It is. You're dealing with high end technology. High over head. People who have to get expensive schooling and training for nearly a decade. And then you have the legal problems and market factors entering into the price.

But Stossel is taking direct issue with the way that these "quality" surveys are determined. They repeatedly say that the U.S. system doesn't "perform," but then use a completely biased and ridiculous way of making this judgment.

"The U.S. is the only country in the study without universal health insurance coverage, partly accounting for its poor performance on access, equity, and health outcomes."

So, if the government ensures everyone gets the same level of inferior care, or if everyone has to wait four months for routine surgery, according to these surveys, the system performs better than ours according to these reports..

I did not lose the point of this thread, I was merely correcting some misconceptions.

You do make a good point here. Look at our wealthy economy. We eat, drink, drive, live in, and entertain ourselves how we want, when we want, and for as much as we want to spend. Why should our healthcare be any different? It's the best in the world, so why should we complain about the cost?

Hell, everybody in this forum drives either a Caddy or a Lincoln. Those cars are not cheap. Even if you bought it used for a pittance, I guarantee you've shelled out a few thou fixing it. I know I have. So why should I complain about the cost when I want the ability to accelerate effortlessly through traffic and punch buttons on a computer while I sit in the cockpit of my Mark? Same goes for the rest of you. If you're so cheap, go buy a used Civic and quitcher bitchin. See the obvious parallels to healthcare?
 
I have to go on a side track, sorry...

1. Malpractice actions - these are the biggest offender, forcing healthcare costs through the roof. Lawyers like John Edwards have enriched themselves off the pocketbooks of insurance companies who have to pay up every time some doctor misses a diagnosis that caused Aunt Maude's dysentery to act up. Who do you think pays for that? Follow the trail - malpractice insurance companies raise premiums, doctor has to pay those, doctor raises prices, you pay more. Doctors also are being forced to practice defensive medicine to protect themselves from lawsuits, which means more tests and multiple diagnoses and prognoses for you every time you visit. They must cover every possibility in order to avoid being sued. This drives costs up as well.
This is the biggest myth of all, and just burns my britches every time it mentioned. Give me an example of a state that enacted tort "reform" where insurance rates went down. You can't. Even the insurance companies openly admit that tort reform will have little or no effect on malpractice insurance rates.
 
I have to go on a side track, sorry...

This is the biggest myth of all, and just burns my britches every time it mentioned. Give me an example of a state that enacted tort "reform" where insurance rates went down. You can't. Even the insurance companies openly admit that tort reform will have little or no effect on malpractice insurance rates.

Uh...

That's baloney. You know zip about this subject. I personally view the documentation of three dozen healthcare providers per day and I can tell you that their malpractice insurance rates are COMPLETELY dependent on how often they and/or their colleagues in their specialty get sued. Malpractice insurance rates can climb into the six figures annually. So...

Wrong again.
 
Uh...

That's baloney. You know zip about this subject. I personally view the documentation of three dozen healthcare providers per day and I can tell you that their malpractice insurance rates are COMPLETELY dependent on how often they and/or their colleagues in their specialty get sued. Malpractice insurance rates can climb into the six figures annually. So...

Wrong again.

I have close friends who are doctors that confirm to me what Fossten says as well. Those high rates and liabilities also are discouraging some doctors going into the high risk/specializations.
 
:bsflag:

http://www.centerjd.org/private/mythbuster/MB_medical_malpractice.htm

FACT: Limiting a patient's right to sue will do nothing to control insurance rates. A 1999 Center for Justice & Democracy study, Premium Deceit; The Failure of "Tort Reform" to Cut Insurance Prices, co-written by J. Robert Hunter, was the first-ever exhaustive look at the impact of tort restrictions on state-by-state insurance costs over the last 14 years. According to Hunter, "Despite years of claims by insurance companies that rates would go down following enactment of tort reform, we found that tort law limits enacted since the mid-1980s have not lowered insurance rates in the ensuing years. States with little or no tort law restrictions have experienced approximately the same changes in insurance rates as those states that have enacted severe restrictions on victims' rights." Following the release of Premium Deceit, spokespeople for the American Tort Reform Association (ATRA) agreed. Both ATRA's president and general counsel said in published statements that lawmakers who enact restrictions on consumers' legal rights should not expect insurance rates to drop.

*owned*
 
Uh...

That's baloney. You know zip about this subject. I personally view the documentation of three dozen healthcare providers per day and I can tell you that their malpractice insurance rates are COMPLETELY dependent on how often they and/or their colleagues in their specialty get sued. Malpractice insurance rates can climb into the six figures annually. So...

Wrong again.
Of course doctors in "high-risk" specialties are going to pay higher premiums. Tort "reform" isn't going to change that. The real issue, which you have failed to address, is whether capping claims has any effect whatsoever on insurance rates. Based on those states that have enacted tort reform, there is none. Rates have continued to skyrocket. In fact, some insurance companies have found that their liability has increased with award caps because litigants go straight for the maximum award, where they didn't before.

No one is arguing that malpractice insurance rates are astronomical. The question is what's causing them to rise, and what to do about it.

Many states have enacted tort reform, so we have some real-world examples of how well it works. Show me ONE example where rates declined or levelled off due to such "reforms".
 
More fodder......

http://www.insurance-reform.org/StableLosses2007.pdf

Conclusion
Like earlier Stable Losses/Unstable Rates studies, this updated version analyzes what medical malpractice insurers have taken in and what they’ve paid out over the last 30 years, including during this decade when doctors were hit with skyrocketing medical malpractice insurance rates.

Its findings are startling. While insurer payouts per doctor directly track the rate of medical inflation, medical insurance premiums do not. Rather, they rise and fall in relationship to the state of the economy. This has been true for the last three decades and true for the last few years. Not only was there no “explosion” in lawsuits, jury awards or any tort system costs to justify the astronomical premium increases that doctors have been charged in recent years. These rate increases were rather driven by the economic cycle of the insurance industry, driven by declining interest rates and investments.
 
3. I, too, had tendinitis, back in 1999. In both elbows. I knew what it was and rather than opting for the cortizone shot, I treated myself by wearing an elbow sleeve and by ceasing the activity that caused it. Finally went away after about a year.

Trust me, ask Jibit. I avoided going to the doctor, tried the sleeves, etc. It was so bad I could almost not lift a cup of coffee. Thats when I went.


4. Fee schedules? What you're advocating is socialistic healthcare, just like Hillary wants. What you don't realize is that the unintended consequences of this will result in very poor quality of healthcare in this country.

I might not have explained my thought well. I want to have a way to compare Dr A's fees to Dr B's fees. I dont want to dictate their fees, just have a way to compare costs before I choose a Doctor. In a free market, comparing fees is one way of choosing service.

6. COBRA is designed as an incentive to find new employment or to purchase your own plan. I'm glad you found a cheaper alternative,

On this one, your wrong. The idea of COBRA was so that you could maintain health insurance inbetween jobs.

The part that bothered me about the COBRA thing was this. Accirding to the Dept of Labor "Qualified individuals may be required to pay the entire premium for coverage up to 102 percent of the cost to the plan." -- Why can I get private insurance for $160 and employers are paying $600+ ? The 2 plans were comparable, so the variance doesnt make any sense to me. Healthcare is a major issue in our economy, so its something I wonder about.

it's a market issue that the government should stay out of. Governments are not good at "helping" markets. They are better at hurting them.

Ah - thats where things get wierd. Healthcare shouldnt be a "Market", moreover, the end user, the consumer, is usually not the driving force. Its a game played by the healthcare providers and the insurance companies. Think about it, what role do you play in that "Market" that resembles a real free market?
 
Of course doctors in "high-risk" specialties are going to pay higher premiums. Tort "reform" isn't going to change that. The real issue, which you have failed to address, is whether capping claims has any effect whatsoever on insurance rates. Based on those states that have enacted tort reform, there is none. Rates have continued to skyrocket. In fact, some insurance companies have found that their liability has increased with award caps because litigants go straight for the maximum award, where they didn't before.

No one is arguing that malpractice insurance rates are astronomical. The question is what's causing them to rise, and what to do about it.

Many states have enacted tort reform, so we have some real-world examples of how well it works. Show me ONE example where rates declined or levelled off due to such "reforms".

First of all, stop attributing the tort reform canard to me as I didn't bring it up. You did. You've made your point, but it is actually only tangentially relevant to my point about malpractice claims. Maybe you ought to point the finger at insurance companies instead of siding with the Shrillarites advocating socialization.

Second, show me ONE example of a country with a socialized healthcare system with a quality of care that rivals ours and I'll cede you a point. Until then...:rolleyes:
 
I would hope everyone realizes on average about 50% of a doctors income goes to malpractice insurance.
 
I would hope everyone realizes on average about 50% of a doctors income goes to malpractice insurance.

More complete :bsflag:

http://www.azinjurycenter.com/CM/Custom/TOCTheTruthAbout.asp

4. Medical malpractice premiums have not increased rapidly over the last several years. "In fact, when adjusted for inflation, malpractice premiums dropped by nearly a third from 1991 to 2000. It would take a hike of 50 percent to bring rates back to their 1991 level. Insurer pricing practices, under-pricing in a soft insurance market followed by sharp increases as the market becomes more competitive - are the key culprit in the severe rate increases that are now occurring."

According to the 2000 Statistical Abstract of the United States, page 125, the Average Physician Salary has increased from $112,200 in 1985 to $199,600 in 1997. Average Malpractice Premiums increased from $10,500 to $14,200 in this same period of time. Thus, the percent of doctor's salary for malpractice premiums decreased from 9.4% to 7.1%.

According to the Health Care Financing Administration, doctor's salaries went up 41.7% from 1988 to 1998 while medical malpractice costs only went up 5.7% during this same period of time. Health care costs went up 74.7%.
 
First of all, stop attributing the tort reform canard to me as I didn't bring it up. You did.

WRONG, from the 3rd post in this thread.........

fossten said:
1. Malpractice actions - these are the biggest offender, forcing healthcare costs through the roof. Lawyers like John Edwards have enriched themselves off the pocketbooks of insurance companies who have to pay up every time some doctor misses a diagnosis that caused Aunt Maude's dysentery to act up. Who do you think pays for that? Follow the trail - malpractice insurance companies raise premiums, doctor has to pay those, doctor raises prices, you pay more. Doctors also are being forced to practice defensive medicine to protect themselves from lawsuits, which means more tests and multiple diagnoses and prognoses for you every time you visit. They must cover every possibility in order to avoid being sued. This drives costs up as well.
 
More complete :bsflag:

Yeah, "B.S." straight from the doctors mouth.

I got my info straight from doctors in my family.

I would trust this, as opposed to a law office that wants to color things in there best interest (against tort reform)

average salary of $199,000?! You do realize how meaningless that is. The few highly specialized doctors who make millons bump up the average for the rest. It's like saying the average income in the US is $125,000. Because we have a few very extremely rich people (like Bill Gates) that average (spread around) is going to jump up.
 
Yeah, "B.S." straight from the doctors mouth.

I got my info straight from doctors in my family.

I would trust this, as opposed to a law office that wants to color things in there best interest (against tort reform)

average salary of $199,000?! You do realize how meaningless that is. The few highly specialized doctors who make millons bump up the average for the rest. It's like saying the average income in the US is $125,000. Because we have a few very extremely rich people (like Bill Gates) that average (spread around) is going to jump up.

Lest I remind you that YOU are the one who stated.........

shagdrum said:
I would hope everyone realizes on average about 50% of a doctors income goes to malpractice insurance.

If you got your numbers from your family member(s), then you are un-qualified to speak about "averages".

*owned*
 
Second, show me ONE example of a country with a socialized healthcare system with a quality of care that rivals ours and I'll cede you a point. Until then...:rolleyes:

So your saying that we are not able to give high quality health care and universal health care coverage at the same time?
 
So your saying that we are not able to give high quality health care and universal health care coverage at the same time?
That is correct. Look at our universal education system, our universal failed "war on poverty" welfare system, and our POS federal tax system. Every time government gets involved it reduces quality to the lowest common denominator.
 
Just an example that I heard the other day. My sister's bf and I were talking about Canada, and we got to healthcare. He told me that someone he knew had been living in Canada, and went to the doctor to get some help w/ an issue he was having. Doctor told him he had herpes. So, he starts being treated for herpes however he can, and ceases his sex life. It never really gets better and after a while of not getting help from his Canadian doctor, he went to a doctor in the US. The new doctor immediately knew it wasn't herpes, but was in fact crotch rot. Low and behold, soon after, it was fixed.
 
Let's all be realistic. Our healthcare system is a nightmare, and there's no evidence that it's getting better. This article pretty well sums up my thoughts:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/hmo/procon/patients.html

From the last paragraph:

Our civilization holds that some aspects of life should be off-limits to the market. Government, the police and fire departments, and the military should not be for sale; nor should profits be made selling sexual intimacy, or children for adoption. Our constitution recognizes a compelling public interest in religious free speech, and in unfettered discourse on public policy. Here, commercial interests have no standing. They should have none in medicine.

For the record, I'm against the government directly handling health care, if for no reason other than the fact that I don't trust them with my personal information. On the other hand, I think the government has an obligation to ensure that everyone is covered and given equal treatment, with profit not being a factor. A person's life should not rest on decisions by the "bean counters" in the accounting department, but by his doctor (novel idea huh?). It's disgusting and morally reprehensible that people die every day or suffer life-long debilitating illnesses in the richest nation in the world because it would put a dent in the bottom line. As the paragraph above states, the free market has its place and works wonderfully. But not in healthcare. After all, I can decide whether I want to spend my cash on that new plasma TV or car, but when it comes to my health and my family's health what choices do I really have? If I can afford it, I take it, period. If I can't afford it, I live with the risk that I'm one accident or illness away from either death or financial ruin. This is not the free market in action. It's a protection racket.

The inefficiencies built into the for-profit insurance industry end up wasting billions of dollars. The reams of paperwork (different for each company) that must be filled out by you and your doctors. The thousands of people each company hires to look over your files and decide whether they will pay for treatment or not. And the hundred other factors that add costs to the process outside of the costs of actual treatment.

So, while I don't trust the government to handle our healthcare directly, I do believe they have a role in reforming a system which has become corrupt and bloated, simply because no one else can or will do it. That means regulation, and possibly a change to a non-profit system. I know these words strike fear and loathing into the hearts of die-hard disciples of free-market capitalism, but the free-market is not the answer to all things. It certainly is not working in the case of health care.
 
Stossel PWNS Michael Moore!

This is long, but worth it.

ABC’s John Stossel Provides a Welcome Change to Usual Health Care Spin
By Scott Whitlock | September 14, 2007 - 13:40 ET

On Friday’s "Good Morning America," token conservative reporter John Stossel told portly filmmaker Michael Moore, "Forgive me. More of us look like you" and that obesity explains why Canadians live longer than Americans, not universal health care. Stossel appeared on the morning show to promote his program debunking the myth of "free," government-run health care. His "20/20" special, which will air September 14 on ABC, includes a quarrel with the left-wing director.


Stossel’s appearance on GMA, and his conservative take, also strongly contrasts with the morning show’s own coverage of government controlled health care. In June, Moore appeared on the program to promote "Sicko," his movie bashing the United States system of private care. Back then, GMA co-host Chris Cuomo mildly questioned the filmmaker’s trip to Cuba to lavish praise on the communist country’s health system. After the director noisily objected to this offense, Cuomo backed down, saying, "Look, I like the stunt."

Another example that demonstrates the difference between Stossel’s take and the usual liberal spin provided by "Good Morning America" is the case of Karen Jepp. The "20/20" host explained, "Government rationing in Canada is why, when Karen Jepp was about to give birth to quadruplets last month, she was told all the neo-natal units she could go to in Canada were too crowded. She flew to Montana to have the babies." And yet, as noted on NewsBusters, GMA covered this exact story in August and the show's hosts never managed to explain why the Canadian hospitals were too crowded.

ABC and "20/20" should certainly be applauded for airing a non-liberal take on universal health care. In the special, Stossel will make points rarely heard on network television, such as noting that Canadians wait an average of 17 weeks for treatment, that one town in that country has "a lottery just to get an appointment with a family doctor." However, it would also be nice if John Stossel wasn’t such a lonely voice in providing a different perspective on this (and other subjects).

Perhaps conservatives shouldn’t be too optimistic about such a change. On Friday, Cuomo teased the contrarian segment by wondering, "Is free health care really the best health care?" As John Stossel will demonstrate on Friday night, calling it "free" health care, doesn’t make it so.

Stossel’s "20/20" special will air on ABC at 10pm on Friday, September 14.

A transcript of the September 14 segment, which aired at 8:43am, follows:

Chris Cuomo: "Now, when we come back, this is a very interesting question for us to look at. This doctor, when you go to see your doctor, what can happen in a country with free health care other than everyone being frozen in time. Like what you’re seeing right now. [Footage of people waiting in long lines to see a doctor.] Why are these people waiting in line? Is free health care really the best health care?"

8:43am

ABC Graphic: "Does Free Health Care Really Work? John Stossel Investigates"

Diane Sawyer: "As we know, it's one of the single most important decisions Americans have to make: What should the health care in this country be? Can it be made better? Is government health care the answer? ‘20/20's’ John Stossel has been asking that question and a lot more in tonight’s special hour ‘Whose Body is it Anyway? Sick in America.’ John looked at other countries' health care systems to see if they have better ideas. And he’s here to tell us some of what he found. John?"

John Stossel: "And a lot of Americans say government care is the answer, that health care in countries like France, Germany, Britain, Canada is great because it's free. Government pays and no one has to worry because free is great, right? But not so fast. It's why the British National Health Service made news by promising it would reduce wait times for hospital care to fewer than 18 weeks. But that's still more than four months. [Video of people waiting in line.] These people are waiting for a dentist appointment. Waits are so long, some people do it themselves. [Picture of a man with a missing tooth.] He used super glue. People pull their own teeth. Dental tools? Pliers and vodka. Government rationing in Canada is why, when Karen Jepp was about to give birth to quadruplets last month she was told all the neo-natal units she could go to in Canada were too crowded. She flew to Montana to have the babies."

David Gratzer (author, "The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care"): "People line up for care. Some of them die. That's what happens."

Stossel: "Canadian doctor David Gratzer, author of "The Cure," thought the Canadian system was great until he started treating patients."

Gratzer: "The more time I spent in the Canadian system, the more time I came across people waiting for radiation therapy, waiting for the knee replacement so they could finally walk up to the second floor of their house."

Stossel: "People wait in line?"

Gratzer: "You want to see your neurologist because of your stress headache? No problem. You just have to wait six months. You want an MRI? No problem! Free as the air! You just got to wait six months."

Stossel: "But fans of Canada's system, like Michael Moore, point to the fact that Canadians live longer. Isn't that proof that the Canadian system is better, even if they have to wait in line?"

Michael Moore: "That's the line where they live three years longer than we do. That's the line I want to be in."

Stossel: "But Canadians live longer because of things unrelated to health care. Americans are three times as likely to die in car accidents and ten times as likely to be murdered. Take those factors into account, not to mention obesity, and Americans live longer than Canadians. In America, we kill each other more often. We shoot each other. We have more car accidents. Forgive me. More of us look like you."

Moore: "Me, yeah."

Stossel: "That's the reason they're living longer in Canada."

Moore: "I will say, in part, it's because they never have to worry about paying to go see the doctor."

Stossel: "They may not worry about paying to see a doctor, but they do have to wait on average 17 weeks to see a specialist. We found one town in Canada where they have a lottery just to get an appointment with a family doctor. But you can be seen within 24 hours if you meow or woof, because if you're a dog or cat, vet care is privately run."

Sawyer: "Privately run. All right. It is so hard to get perspective on this! Thank heaven you’re doing it. And it is tonight you can see all of it. ‘Whose body is it anyway? Sick in America,’ a special edition of ABC's ‘20/20' tonight at 10:00, 9:00 central. Good to see you, John."

It's only hard to get perspective on this because of lib wackos like you, Diane.
 

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