Are you ready to defend your home and family..

[cammerfe]

Hey Dude---
I was sorta kidding, but I guess you really do need to learn to communicate. When you choose to quote me, you suggest, to anyone trying to follow what you are offering, that you mean to apply what you are saying to the quotation you've chosen. I think one learns such things in the third grade. You must have stayed home that day. Or else you just get in too much of a hurry to push the 'post' button. Take time to read through what you've put on the screen.
KS

 

[TheDude]

Hey Dude---
I was sorta kidding, but I guess you really do need to learn to communicate. When you choose to quote me, you suggest, to anyone trying to follow what you are offering, that you mean to apply what you are saying to the quotation you've chosen. I think one learns such things in the third grade. You must have stayed home that day. Or else you just get in too much of a hurry to push the 'post' button. Take time to read through what you've put on the screen.
KS

You're rambling now and not really making sense. Are you saying that hitting the "quote" button so 'your' response is directed exactly at a certain post is like 3rd grade?

 

[cammerfe]

It's not rambling. But you need to get beyond 'Dick & Jane' in comprehension.

You chose to cut & paste a quotation from me and then somehow pass it off when I object to your characterization attached by you to my words.

LEARN TO READ!!!

KS

 

[TheDude]

It's not rambling. But you need to get beyond 'Dick & Jane' in comprehension.

You chose to cut & paste a quotation from me and then somehow pass it off when I object to your characterization attached by you to my words.

LEARN TO READ!!!

KS

Now you're just confused.

The only thing I "cut and pasted" from you was in regards to owning a gun and it being better to have and never need, which I agreed with you on.

Please do point out (post #) where you think I quoted and wronged you.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

NRA's claim that "Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment…Ban use of firearms for home defense." is PANTS ON FIRE WRONG.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/709/

NRA's claim that "Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' The Second Amendment….Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." is FALSE.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/711/

Look at 'yall "clinging to your guns and religion". :bowrofl: PROOF that the 9/11 terrorists have won by leveraging the GOP into scaring you from your own fellow countrymen by perpetuating a constant state of FEAR. PARANOID? Sad, really. God help us all.

 

[Calabrio]

Johnny, you're just a fountain of dishonest spin.
At best, during his campaign, Obama has engaged ina deceptive little dance of double speak to straddle both sides of the issue. He does this even better than Clinton did.

He says that individuals have the right, but local government can limit it; never providing any specifics. He was on both sides of the DC gun ban. It's completely consistent and reasonable to conclude that had he not been running for national office, he would have been firmly in support of the DC gun ban.

The only argument that Obama "supports' 2nd Amendment rights are based on the fact he hasn't done much to limit them yet.... Truth is, that's because he hasn't done much of anything about anything yet in his career either.

 

[ford nut]

NRA's claim that "Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment…Ban use of firearms for home defense." is PANTS ON FIRE WRONG.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/709/

NRA's claim that "Obama's Ten Point Plan to 'Change' The Second Amendment….Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." is FALSE.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/711/

Look at 'yall "clinging to your guns and religion". :bowrofl: PROOF that the 9/11 terrorists have won by leveraging the GOP into scaring you from your own fellow countrymen by perpetuating a constant state of FEAR. PARANOID? Sad, really. God help us all.

I wish god would help you stay on topic

 

[fossten]

Nobody gives a crap about Johnny's stupid site, anyway. You can't use a stupid website to predict what somebody will do in the future. But you can use the somebody's past actions and statements.

I will be right about this, and I will say I told you so.

Clinton wasn't nearly as liberal as Obama, and Clinton gave us the 1994 AWB.

 

[cammerfe]

Nobody gives a crap about Johnny's stupid site, anyway. You can't use a stupid website to predict what somebody will do in the future. But you can use the somebody's past actions and statements.

I will be right about this, and I will say I told you so.

Clinton wasn't nearly as liberal as Obama, and Clinton gave us the 1994 AWB.

+1
KS

 

[RRocket]

Clinton wasn't nearly as liberal as Obama, and Clinton gave us the 1994 AWB.

And how has that law been detrimental to the USA in general??

IMO the introduction of both Patriot Acts by Bush is far worse for the country than the AWB.



But for real...how has the AWB impacted the USA in a negative manner?

 

[fossten]

And how has that law been detrimental to the USA in general??

IMO the introduction of both Patriot Acts by Bush is far worse for the country than the AWB.



But for real...how has the AWB impacted the USA in a negative manner?

You've GOT to be kidding. There isn't enough space in this forum for me to answer that. How about gun prices? How about the backlash, namely the almost immediate loss of the House and Senate just 2 years later? How about thousands of gun dealers going out of business during its 10 year span? How about the fact that gun violence did not decrease at all during this span?

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater … confidence than an armed man." –Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764).

Gary Kleck, in Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control (Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York 1997), summarizes the findings of forty-seven such studies, indicating that less than 2% of crime guns were assault weapons (the median was about 1.8%). According to Bureau of Justice Statistics, (Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1993, May 1996) offenders were armed with a firearm in 10% of all violent crimes. That would mean less than .20% (one-fifth of one percent or 1 in 500) of violent crime offenders used an assault weapon (1.8% X 10% = .18%).

A genuine assault weapon, as opposed to a legal definition, is a hand-held, selective fire weapon, which means it's capable of firing in either an automatic or a semiautomatic mode depending on the position of a selector switch. These kinds of weapons are heavily regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and are further regulated in some states. (See machine guns.)

However, current "assault weapon" legislation defines certain semi-automatic weapons as "assault weapons." A semi-automatic weapon is one that fires a round with each pull of the trigger, versus an automatic weapon which continues to shoot until the trigger is released or the ammunition supply is exhausted. These kinds of "assault weapons" are sometimes referred to as military-style semi-automatic weapons.

An example of assault weapon legislation is the Federal 1994 Crime Bill. The bill in part outlaws new civilian manufacture of certain semi-automatic assault weapons. It also prohibits new civilian manufacture of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" declared certain weapons as assault weapons, and states a semi-automatic rifle is an assault weapon if it can accept a detachable magazine and has two or more of the following:

A folding or telescoping stock
A pistol grip
A bayonet mount
A flash suppressor, or threads to attach one
A grenade launcher.

So in effect, the AWB banned weapons that merely looked like assault weapons. It was symbolic, but a step in the direction of more gun control.
For more links, click here.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

You've GOT to be kidding. There isn't enough space in this forum for me to answer that. How about gun prices? How about the backlash, namely the almost immediate loss of the House and Senate just 2 years later? How about thousands of gun dealers going out of business during its 10 year span? How about the fact that gun violence did not decrease at all during this span?

So you are arguing losing control of the House and Senate to Republican control is a BAD thing. Thanks, GOT IT! :bowrofl:

 

[fossten]

Blow it out your ass, Johnny. Nobody thinks you have two brain cells to rub together here. You are the master of the deliberately obtuse.

Obama: All your gun are belong to us.