ATF seizes airsoft guns

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I have a couple I bought in Korea. They look exactly like the real thing, only the weigh less. I never though I could turn them into machine guns. I'll have to google that mod later. They need to ban pencils also. I seen a movie where a guy get stabbed in the neck and dies. Some how you can mod a #2 into a stabbing weapon.
 
Seems those airsoft guns are missing just a sear trip hole. Put in an real 16 hammer in there, and you could potentially have an actual weapon, since it would seem it already has the trigger and selector on them.

Sure, you won't be able to put 15,000 rounds through them, but I'll bet you can run a a few clips (or mags, for those of you who want to argue semantics), before they give up the ghost or blowing up in your face.

Why you'd want to do that, I don't know, since converting a real civilian M16 into a full auto really isn't that hard with the proper lathe.
 
topher5150 said:
The ATF seized $12,000 worth of airsoft guns, stating that they didn't have the orange tip on the end of the barrel, and "With minimal work it could be converted to a machine gun." Is the ATF really this stupid.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...ng-local-business/vUVs2QUCAUuZWeRrqgIQaA.cspx

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/k...-was-it-justified/o95XLGPuqEaEHV30WwlAMQ.cspx
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It's not stupidity. It's ruthless thuggery. The ATF has no publishable procedures that lay out the process by which they determine whether or not something is a 'machine gun' or not. They simply go into their little lab and do some tests and come out and decide whether or not you're going to prison. Then you have to exhaust all your savings in defending yourself in court while they have a virtually limitless budget with which to attack you.

They've actually called a piece of rubber a 'machine gun' just so they could prosecute somebody. You have ten 'machine gun' pieces of rubber, that's ten counts, each worth ten years in the clink. There are thousands of American citizens in prison right now due to paperwork violations of gun laws that the ATF aggressively pursued.

And if it looks like you're going to win in court, they've been instructed in training to lie on the stand in order to convict you.
 
Frogman said:
Seems those airsoft guns are missing just a sear trip hole. Put in an real 16 hammer in there, and you could potentially have an actual weapon, since it would seem it already has the trigger and selector on them.

Sure, you won't be able to put 15,000 rounds through them, but I'll bet you can run a a few clips (or mags, for those of you who want to argue semantics), before they give up the ghost or blowing up in your face.

Why you'd want to do that, I don't know, since converting a real civilian M16 into a full auto really isn't that hard with the proper lathe.
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according to the second link he was saying the trigger is nothing more than an electric switch hooked to a battery that operates a motor that flings the bb's. and the guts are nothing but pot aluminum. to convert it wouldn't you have to the entire barrel, a trigger mechanism, receiver mechanism, gas tube. and that is if the plastic can handle that much pressure
 
topher5150 said:
according to the second link he was saying the trigger is nothing more than an electric switch hooked to a battery that operates a motor that flings the bb's. and the guts are nothing but pot aluminum. to convert it wouldn't you have to the entire barrel, a trigger mechanism, receiver mechanism, gas tube. and that is if the plastic can handle that much pressure
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I wasn't aware that airsoft guns were even regulated by the NFA. Technically they're not even considered 'guns.'

When did this happen?
 
I wouldn't think they would be classified as firearms, but I think at least BB guns. Pretty much the same thing isn't it
 
I'm aware of a situation where a guy was seen, by a nervous little old lady, carrying a perfectly legal AR-15 from his truck to his apartment. Half a dozen car-loads of ATF showed up and made a big fuss. When it was determined that he had a legal rifle, they 'discovered' that he had a partial can of paint thinner and some rags from some work he'd done, and since he had an empty six-pack of Coke in the kitchen he had everything necessary to convict him of having 'Molotov Cocktails'. He WAS convicted and did time.
KS
 
lays state that anything that can "fling" or "fire" an object is considered a weapon or gun...even a slignshot and super soaker are in the same batch of law. I had to read these laws up when getting my PIC certification and getting my membership for INTERLAKE SPORTING ASSOCIATION that's the closest and most freed outdoor range in seattle-eastside area. In fact all other outdoor rangees you are LIMITED to ONE bullet per clip.....that's it....
 
And WADES in bellevue can sue you or revoke your membership if you collect any brass that is dropped. That's also why they made a ban on any steel or aluminum ammo casings...yet they sell them......odd enough
 
fossten said:
I wasn't aware that airsoft guns were even regulated by the NFA. Technically they're not even considered 'guns.'
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Why does that matter? They're in the Department of the Treasury, just like the IRS, so they get to make up the rules as they're playing the game.
 
since he had an empty six-pack of Coke in the kitchen he had everything necessary to convict him of having 'Molotov Cocktails'. He WAS convicted and did time.
KS[/QUOTE]

now was that a six pack of cans or plastic bottles
 
PetesSweets86 said:
lays state that anything that can "fling" or "fire" an object is considered a weapon or gun
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That may be true in Washington state, but ATF is "bound" (and I use that term very loosely) not by state laws but by Federal law, primarily the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA34) and the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA68). BB guns are not firearms under Federal law (with one exception; Daisy once made a rifle that use compressed air to ignite a powder charge); in fact, blackpowder rifles and pistols are generally not considered firearms under Federal law, which is why you can still, in free states, order them without going through an FFL holder.
 
SoonerLS said:
That may be true in Washington state, but ATF is "bound" (and I use that term very loosely) not by state laws but by Federal law, primarily the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA34) and the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA68). BB guns are not firearms under Federal law (with one exception; Daisy once made a rifle that use compressed air to ignite a powder charge); in fact, blackpowder rifles and pistols are generally not considered firearms under Federal law, which is why you can still, in free states, order them without going through an FFL holder.
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I just know you can be sued and arrested by anyone you point and shoot even a slingshot at. Apparently when they made the new WA gun laws it was made so loosely that anything that throws (like a nerf gun) or shoots (even a bb or pellet gun) is considered a firearm and can be tried as such in court
 
Laws are made to punish the civilized. Criminals won't obey the law anyway.
 
Firearm defined by the state of Michigan

8.3t “Firearm” defined.
Sec. 3t. The word “firearm”, except as otherwise specifically defined in the statutes, shall be construed to include any
weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by using explosives, gas or air as a means of propulsion, except
any smooth bore rifle or handgun designed and manufactured exclusively for propelling BB’s not exceeding .177 calibre by
means of spring, gas or air.
History: Add. 1959, Act 189, Imd. Eff. July 22, 1959.
 
Smooth bore is a muzzle loader. A felon can legally own a muzzle loader even.
 
You can purchase a C&R license from the ATF and buy antique guns without going through a dealer.

I have one.

Mosin Nagants are quite cheap these days. They're veritable cannons.
 
fossten said:
You can purchase a C&R license from the ATF and buy antique guns without going through a dealer.

I have one.

Mosin Nagants are quite cheap these days. They're veritable cannons.
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i never got a license to buy my guns, i got them at a gun show, is that somehow different
 
topher5150 said:
i never got a license to buy my guns, i got them at a gun show, is that somehow different
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Yes, you can buy Curios and Relics (Pre 1950) guns straight from the mfr. or wholesaler without doing a purchase form. Guns like Mosins, Enfields, and SKS are considered C&R.

BTW, Enfields are badass guns. I'm lefthanded so I don't use them. They're bolt action.
 
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