British schoolchildren told to write "Allah is God"
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fossten
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Legal immigrants are always welcome here!
Well, you're off to a good start by owning a Lincoln. Just stay on this site and fix it yourself when it breaks, and you'll save a ton of money.
Ahh...Wrong! Any god that promises 70-whatever virgins for murdering innocent people has nothing to do with God of the Bible.
Allah is not God of the Bible. Apparently, you're the one who should start with the Bible.
marcuseightus
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Ahh...Wrong! Any god that promises 70-whatever virgins for murdering innocent people has nothing to do with God of the Bible.
Don't be so quick to tell people their wrong, When your quote of the seventy virgins is not quite accurate, I never knew the word "whatever" was in there!
The moment you say "whatever" your saying "I'M NOT SURE"! And if your not sure, "YOU DON'T KNOW"! The word allah is in the bible, Not in todays version.
When it was translated from the original hebrew and Greece there were several words for God, For simplicity sake they used one name "GOD"!
Just as there were several words for love in the original text, Love of family has a different meaning than the love of sex. but they all were translated with the word "LOVE"!
The name "ALLAH" AL- which mean "add to" plus ELOAH which is Hebrew for GOD.
So you see MUSLIMS do warship the same GOD as Christians and Jews!
fossten
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That is incorrect. If you have ever read the Bible, you would know that there are several different words in the English version used for God, including Lord, Jehovah, LORD, GOD, and God. The differences of capitalization have significance, as each one represents a different name for God. You really should do your research before commenting.
That is a very weak argument, which uses supposition based on poor knowledge of the Bible. "AL" is an Arabic term which you are splicing with a shoddy misrepresentation of the actual word "Elohim" which is Hebrew for God.
Furthermore, there are at least a half dozen examples I can think of off the top of my head where the God of the Bible CANNOT POSSIBLY BE the same God as Allah.
1. The teaching of Mohammed's writings to the children in Islamist countries is similar to "brainwashing" wherein they chant over and over the same indoctrinations. For example, a signal is sounded five times a day for the children to fall on their faces before Allah. This indoctrination continues on into adulthood. Also, the children are taught, among other things, that Israel and the United States are hated "infidels" and that to kill them is pleasing to Allah and an honorable thing to do. Among the Islamic nations war has almost always been a way of life.
God clearly stated in the Bible regarding the Jews that they are HIS people, and He would bless those that bless them and curse those that curse them. Islam teaches that Jews are apes and pigs and should be slaughtered as such.
On the other hand, the teachings of Jesus Christ are based on love for God, for ones neighbors, for self, and even for ones enemies. Children are taught the love of God via the example of His Only Begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. The free will of the individual is respected even in children. They are taught the way of love and its blessings and the way of hate and selfishness and its consequences, hoping that when the child becomes mature, he or she will "choose" the way of love for their lives. The teachings of the Bible leaves the option of war open, but to be used only for self-defense.
2. Muslim teachings stress that the average person CANNOT know if they have eternal life. The Bible, however, teaches that a person CAN know for sure if they have eternal life.
3. Islam promises an eternal life filled with fornication and homosexuality, and as a general practice encourages such behavior. Mohammed was known for his debauchery. The Bible unequivocally teaches such behavior is sin.
4. Islam teaches that Allah is pleased when muslims strike off the heads of unbelievers, whereas Jesus Christ teaches that Christians are to "teach all nations, baptizing them" rather than killing them. In addition, Jesus taught that we are to love our enemies and pray for them and not to recompense evil for evil.
5. Islam degrades women and children, oppressing the former while sacrificing the younger. Jesus taught men to love their wives as their own bodies. Muslims gladly send their children to suicide bomb Jews and other enemies, whereas Jesus taught that if anyone harmed a child, it would be better for him if "a millstone were hung about his neck and he were cast into the depths of the sea."
6. Allah is the god of submission, whereas the God of the Bible is the God of free will.
marcuseightus
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:gr_hail: OH FORGIVE OH LORD GOD FOSSTEN OF LVC, FOR HAVING AN OPINION OTHER THAN YOURS....PLEASE DON'T PUNISH ME AND CAST ME INTO "LINCOLNS OF DISTINCTION!"
Your full of surprizes not only can you shot them ,But you can pray for their souls as you do it!
fossten
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This comment:
Plus this comment:
Equals a sarcastic hypocrite. If you want to debate the issue, go for it. But your whiny little sarcastic hyperbole doesn't get you to first base. All it does is make you look more childish than usual.
Plus this comment:
:gr_hail: OH FORGIVE OH LORD GOD FOSSTEN OF LVC, FOR HAVING AN OPINION OTHER THAN YOURS....PLEASE DON'T PUNISH ME AND CAST ME INTO "LINCOLNS OF DISTINCTION!"
Your full of surprizes not only can you shot them ,But you can pray for their souls as you do it!
Equals a sarcastic hypocrite. If you want to debate the issue, go for it. But your whiny little sarcastic hyperbole doesn't get you to first base. All it does is make you look more childish than usual.
marcuseightus
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WOW! You got angry..I guess there's more to you than just that kitty..your quite a tigger!..To bad you can't take what you dish out!..You once told me that when I was here longer that I would see how sarcastic you are!..So let me see, It's OK for you to be sacastic but no one else! Know you hert my feelings. I had a nice birthday present picked out for you ,but know I'm taking it back to the store or I'll put the blower in my lincoln!
P.S. Don't debate me on biblical history, Because you'd loose! Maybe not in your eyes, But in reality!
fossten
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Is this whole "forum thing" new to you? You seem to jump to conclusions easily, and you also seem excited to get anyone to respond to you. You really have zero idea whether or not I got angry. I'm sure you'd like to think so. If you're going to make an argument, (I say for the second time now) do so. Otherwise quit your blathering.WOW! You got angry..I guess there's more to you than just that kitty..your quite a tigger!..To bad you can't take what you dish out!..You once told me that when I was here longer that I would see how sarcastic you are!..So let me see, It's OK for you to be sacastic but no one else! Know you hert my feelings. I had a nice birthday present picked out for you ,but know I'm taking it back to the store or I'll put the blower in my lincoln!
What a silly statement. How would my "loss" be meaningful if I wasn't aware of it? In other words, if you fail to show me how I'm incorrect, (by the way in this thread you have definitely failed to do so) how do you manage to claim a victory "in reality"? You can rant all day long if you want, but if I'm unconvinced or present sufficient evidence to the contrary then you have not succeeded in "winning" anything.P.S. Don't debate me on biblical history, Because you'd loose! Maybe not in your eyes, But in reality!
But rest assured, if we disagree on Biblical subjects, I will use scripture to back up my statements. I'm not sure you can do that consistently, since you aren't even aware of the different names of God in the Bible.
Run along now, I hear your mommy calling.
marcuseightus
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You are good ! My mommy was calling, among your many other attributes your also a median!! WOW! a political scholar, a bible professor and now a median!..How would your loss be meaningful if you weren't aware of it? da!
How can you be aware of being wrong if you don't think you are! And no matter how I prove to you your wrong, You will never admit it, because you
are "dogatically right" and there is no room for debate!
TheDude
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So, is there going to be a biblical-showdown, or are you two going to nancy around whole waving your dicks at each other?
fossten
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Three for three, eh? :shifty:
Sometimes I wonder if posting on this forum makes me look like less of a Christian.
Sometimes I have to go away for a while and confess all the sins of cursing people out :soapbox: on this forum. Then the :gr_devil: entices me back and I start posting again. It's a see-saw struggle.What utter nonsense. You sound like a typical Lib that can't debate facts, instead resorts to meaningless arguments. I frankly can care less how many virgins a terrorist thinks he gets for blowing up innocent people. My "70-whatever" was meant to be sarcastic.
"Allah was the pagan moon god of Mohammed's Quresh tribe. The God of the Bible forbids idolatry." God of the Bible would never take on the name of a pagan god. Moreover, the Bible and Qur'an see God as totally opposite. For example, the Qur’an states that God is so exalted that he would never lower himself to have a personal relationship with humans. The Bible, however, (both Old and New Testaments) describe God as loving and wanting to have a personal relationship with humans. This is why he sent Jesus, the Messiah. So, please don't even begin to claim that Allah is God of the Bible.
You know Bible history like Al Gore invented the Internet.
MERIJONS97LSC
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First of all I'd like to say you are RIGHT! The word allah Is in the original scriptures of the BIBLE! As a matter of fact it appears about 30 times in the Hebrew text and over 200 time in the Greek text!
HOWEVER! As far as being the name for GOD You are WRONG!
It was used for words such as "OAK" In HEBREW to words like "SAVE" and "BUT" in GREEK! But in none of the 300 uses does it discribe "THE CREATOR GOD THE FATHER" Of the BIBLE.
With the word allah be use so many ways in the old texts I can see how someone can be "LOST IN TRANSLATION"
Now with this out of the way! Lets get back to the original post, the IDIOT TEACHER over stepping her AUTHORITY!
JohnnyBz00LS
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Oh lord, what's next? Fossten lobbying for taking "GOD" out of the Pledge of Allegiance?
fossten
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Interesting. You are the only person alive who claims to have read the original scriptures of the Bible. Why, you must put Methuselah to shame. Just how old are you, anyway? And what kind of paper preservative did you use to keep the pages from crumbling? After all, America itself is less than 300 years old and even we have to keep the Declaration of Independence under glass and only let it see light for scheduled times of the day so it won't corrode more than it already has. You should sell your technology to the Smithsonian Institute; I'll bet you could buy a fleet of Lincolns for what you'd get in royalties.
Your argument about the uses of the word God in the Bible is useless because you can't articulate it in an understandable fashion. Is English your second language? Oh, what was I thinking; it must be your third, since OBVIOUSLY Hebrew and Greek are number one and number two, right?
So let me ask you a question: Do you read the Septuagint or do you read the Masoretic text on those ultra-rare occasions when you supposedly read the Bible?
MERIJONS97LSC
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Why so hostel and sarcastic? I do know how to read! This information is avalible to anyone. Just go to your public library, You would be surpised how much information is there. I didn't understand when you said "Your argument about the uses of the word god in the bible is useless because you can't articulate it in any understandable fashion". I mentioned GOD twice, To say "allah is not the GOD of the BIBLE"
and " THE CREATOR GOD THE FATHER". What so hard to unerstand about the way I used the name GOD?
I never had the opportunity to read the MASORA or the SEPTUAGINT. I'm sure if I were around when the 70 Jewish scribes wrote it(SEPTUAGENT), I would have like to!
I never once said that I personally read the original scriptures, much of which was written on stone tablets, and handed down through word of mouth. and I find that to be amazing, considering the dead sea scrolls were only discovered recently and the interpretation is almost 100% accurate!
English is my first language. But I understand a little Portugese,Spanish,Polish and a very little Hebrew and Greek. I really have to rely on English translations.
I know from reading other posts in the forum, That you like a good argument, As for me I'm not much for debating.
So I tried to share a little of what I read and learned, ALL I can say is take it or leave it, It really doesn't profit me any, wether you do or you don't.