BuSh family is full of a s s-clowns

I guess you could call that a nice plausible expalanation for behavior and all that but I decided to explore the dark side of this event and as one can see, there may be more than meets the eye. Maybe not, but maybe so.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
To borrow a worn-out phrase: You right-winged whackos lost this one, get over it.

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Her neck injuries were the result of her fall when she collapsed, NOT from any alleged "choking" by her husband.

Mr. Shaivo's claim to Terri's wish to NOT be kept alive under those circumstances were substantiated by testimony by TWO other indviduals, ONE OF WHICH was Terri's BEST FRIEND.

Mr. Shaivo's initial desire to obtain $$ from the lawsuit settlement was to pursue treatment that, at the time, seemed promising. They had YET to try everything possible to help her recover. To insinuate that he SHOULD HAVE given up on her THEN while condemning him on "giving up on her" NOW is, quite typically of RWWs, HYPOCRITICAL.

Attempting to confuse Terri's situation with the euthinasia issue, is again typically of RWWs, hypocritical. The conservative grand-standers (Jeb and GW Bush, DeLay, Frist, et al) only attempted to undermine the decision of Terry's FAMILY (i.e., her HUSBAND, NOT her parents) by bringing that decision to the court and NOT leaving that decision to the FAMILY. So much for the conservative's consistancy on their stance on the "sanctity of marriage".
And btw, I refuted everything you just posted already. I know you can type, the question remains, can you r...?
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MonsterMark said:
And btw, I refuted everything you just posted already. I know you can type, the question remains, can you r...?
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Oh I can read alright, can you UNDERSTAND? Every item of your "refute" has been "refuted" years ago. If there is a statute of limitations on this, it has long since expired. WHY is this being re-hashed NOW 15 years after the "fact"??? The only possible explanation is Jeb's hope of garnering support from RWW's for his run at the presidency. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the backfire.

The sad truth is GW, Jeb, Frist, DeLay and all the other RWWs are an embarrassment to the conservative party. Keep up the good work and you'll push the rest of us in the middle further towards the left.
 
Where's The Apology?
Bending the Facts on Schiavo

By E. J. Dionne Jr.

Friday, June 17, 2005; Page A31

We are entitled to our moral, ethical and philosophical commitments. We are not entitled to our own facts.

So why is this basic rule of argument often ignored by politicians whose certainty about their righteousness convinces them that they can say absolutely anything to further their causes?

The autopsy in the Terri Schiavo case provides a rare moment of political accountability. We should not "move on," as Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist suggested. No, we cannot move on until those politicians who felt entitled to make up facts and toss around unwarranted conclusions about Schiavo's condition take responsibility for what they said -- and apologize.

Nothing in the autopsy report prevents those who opposed removing Schiavo's feeding tube from continuing to insist they were right. It's legitimate and honorable to argue on philosophical grounds that every medical decision in a tragic circumstance such as Schiavo's should be made on the side of keeping the sick person alive.

But those who supported an extraordinary use of federal power to force their own conclusion against the judgment of state courts knew that philosophical arguments would not be enough.

Most Americans were uneasy about compelling Schiavo's husband, Michael, to keep his wife alive if -- as the state courts had concluded and as the autopsy confirmed on Wednesday -- she had suffered irreversible brain damage and was incapable of recovering.

So the big-government conservatives had to invent a story. They had to insist that they knew, just knew , more about Terri Schiavo's condition than the doctors on the scene. They had to question Michael Schiavo's motives and imply that he wanted to, well, get rid of her.

"As I understand it," Frist said on the Senate floor, "Terri's husband will not divorce Terri and will not allow her parents to take care of her. Terri's husband, who I have not met, does have a girlfriend he lives with and they have children of their own." No accusation here, just a brisk walk through innuendo city.

Dr. Frist, as he likes to be known, didn't just make his case as a pro-lifer. He invoked his expertise as a member of the medical profession. "I close this evening speaking more as a physician than as a U.S. senator," Frist said during the March 17 debate on the bill forcing a federal review of the case.

Proffering references to medical textbooks and journals, Frist led his colleagues through to his conclusion. He argued that "a decision had been made to starve to death a woman based on a clinical exam that took place over a very short period of time by a neurologist who was called in to make the diagnosis rather than over a longer period of time." Dr. Frist, in other words, was offering a second opinion.

In an appearance yesterday on ABC's "Good Morning America," Frist insisted: "I raised the question, 'Is she in a persistent vegetative state or not?' I never made the diagnosis, never said that she was not."

Well, that depends on the meaning of "diagnosis." In the midst of his impressively detailed medical review, Frist declared flatly: "Terri's brother told me Terri laughs, smiles, and tries to speak. That doesn't sound like a woman in a persistent vegetative state."

So, Frist wanted to be seen as having the medical expertise to support his conclusion when doing so was convenient -- and now wants us to think he did nothing of the sort.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay didn't pretend to be a doctor, just expert enough to know what was wrong with the news reports.

"Mrs. Schiavo's condition, I believe, has been at times misrepresented by the media," DeLay said on March 20. "Terri Schiavo is not brain-dead; she talks and she laughs, and she expresses happiness and discomfort. Terri Schiavo is not on life-support."

You wonder: Will DeLay now say to the media that he's sorry? Will he acknowledge that, in the Schiavo case, he honestly didn't know what he was talking about?

Right-to-life politicians have done terrible damage to a serious cause. They claimed to know what they did not, and could not, know. They were willing to imply, without proof, terrible things about a husband who was getting in their way. Instead of making the hard and morally challenging case for keeping Terri Schiavo on life support, they spun an emotional narrative that they thought would play well on cable TV and talk radio.

No, we should not move on. We should remember that some politicians will say whatever is necessary to advance their immediate purposes. Apologies, anyone?
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
But those who supported an extraordinary use of federal power to force their own conclusion against the judgment of state courts knew that philosophical arguments would not be enough.
Yes, there we go. Proof that Libs want to legislate from the bench. After 40 years of loading up the judical system with libbies, this branch of government seems to be their last stronghold. Should be an interesting fight.

The way she was killed was horrific. Why not just give her a shot and end it quickly. Why the pain and agony of 13 days? Oh, her brain was so much jello that she couldn't 'feel' the pain. Well, I can guarantee you that almost every cell in her body shot off a signal saying PAIN PAIN PAIN.

And the behavior of the husband went out of bounds as far as attempting to put her in a PVS. That is a fact. It was the only way he was gonna be able to pull the tube. In addition, there was no corroborating evidence to suggest Mr. Schaivo knew of his wife's death intentions. He admitted in court testimony that the subject never came up. And the girlfriend story was also refuted.

Face it. The money train dried up. Fully half of the award money for her care and treatment went to his attornies. Once that money was gone, Schaivo changed his tune and sought to end her life any which way he could. Denying all care and treatment for her. This is not to say that any of it would have made a difference. We'll never know will we?

As for his attorney, I heard that piece-of-work lawyer on the radio once and he makes Dr. Death Jack Kevorkian look like a saint.
 
MonsterMark said:
Yes, there we go. Proof that Libs want to legislate from the bench.

You are so full of :bsflag: Have you forgotten that were it was the Shindlers and the self-rightous RWWs that kept this dragging through the courts for years?? Liberals and Mr. Schaivo had nothing to do with it.
 
"BuSh family is full of a s s-clowns"

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. If this is a new buzz-word insult, I'm afraid it's not going to last long. And I'll spare everyone the need to explain to me that to find out what it is, I'll just look in the mirror.
 

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