I carelessly missed how you were moving the goal post here.
This isn't about whether Obama identifies himself as a text book RADICAL MARXIST now. I stated that earlier. I'm confident that his political views have become more sophisticated since then and it'd be a mistake to narrowly define him as such, though many of the core philosophies still remain.
And all this Reagan stuff is classic misdirection by Foxpaws.
She is NOW going to make this thread about Ronald Reagan and NOT about whether our current President was a RADICAL MARXIST while in college.
QUOTE=foxpaws;634460]He embraced parts of socialism Cal - New Deal and beyond when he was young ...[/quote]
The normal people who were duped into ignorantly supporting FDR during the 30s and 40s weren't all socialist. They were simply mislead. FDR won re-election 4 times, that wasn't because we were a socialist nation.
But it's interesting how you're identifying FDR and his policies as overtly socialist.
Reagan wasn't a political scientist. He wasn't a political activist in his early years. He grew up in an old Democrat family and then went into the entertainment industry. That was the culture he was in and he accepted it. Saying that he embraced socialism because of his support of FDR when he was in his 20s and 30s is like calling everyone who naively voted for Obama a Marxist.
But you're misdirection here is remarkable and profoundly dishonest and disgusting. Reagan was always anti-communist.
Trying to equate a man who casually identified himself as a Democrat 60 years ago to a someone who embraces radical Marxism.
So cal, obviously Reagan had very liberal, very socialist ideals when he was younger, ... He thought FDR solved the great depression...
You used the past tense there.
While Reagan may have mistaken believed something, when he actually became engaged in politics he learned otherwise. And he clearly abandoned the lies he'd been lead to believe early in his adult life. We can see the path that Regan took that resulted him in becoming the American icon that he is today.
He addressed the mistakes of his youth explicitly, identified it, and explained why it was wrong. He whole heartedly and intellectually REJECTED the politics of FDR, the Statist left, a articulately and eloquently advocated an embrace of free market principles and limited government.
When did Obama abandon Marxist philosophy?
When did Obama change? What happened? When did he discover that the communist/marxist types he'd been surrounding himself were liars. When he did speak out passionately in support of the constitution?
Again I ask, WHEN DID HE ABANDON THOSE PRINICPLES and CEASE TO SURROUND HIMSELF WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE ADVANCING SUCH AN AGENDA.
He hasn't.
You're interjection of Reagan into this discussion is insulting and predictable. Not only do you consistently attempt to simply change the subject and deflect the attention, you also make a parallel effort to make a "they did it too" argument to diminish the weight of the charge.
I don't think Obama was ever a Marxist... that is extremely radical, and very few people embrace the whole.
...usually idealistic, radical COLLEGE STUDENTS.
So to move from perhaps socialist 'lite' to liberal democrat isn't a huge move on the political spectrum...
I don't want to get into this game of which "ism" or "ist" best describes him. I do think it's interesting that you don't think there's much difference between a Democrat and a Socialist.
And I think it's amazing how intellectually dishonest you are here. Obama was born to communist parents. He was mentored by a communist activist. He was embraced by radical foreign elements after high school. He sought out radical marxist professors to surround himself with while in college. Afterwards, he worked for/with community organizations like ACORN that were founded by radical marxists like Wade Rathke from SDS. And when he went into politics, radical marxists (and former member of SDS and the Weather Underground) hosted coming out parties for him.
He's spoken at length about the failures of the constitution and the court to engage in redistributive justice. And he has radical communists in his administration.
it certainly isn't anywhere near the movement that Reagan undertook - from borderline socialist to conservative god...
Again, you're misrepresentation of Reagan disgusts me. Not because of the subject, just because you are so comfortable misrepresenting the truth in your disgusting effort to achieve a political end. Representing Reagan as a borderline socialist is ridiculous, and it also implies that he had a thoughtful and clearly articulated political view during his early career as an actor. He didn't.
But unlike Obama, I can tell you WHEN and WHY Reagan undertook the movement and political refinement. You can trace the evolution and he explicitly spoke out and articulately what the failures of the New Deal and his embrace of limited government.
Once again Cal - why can you believe Reagan could take such a huge leap, and yet Obama can't take a much smaller step?
Show me when Obama
changed.
Show me when he started publicly speaking about a love of limited government, an embrace of the constitution, and denouncing the radical leftist that he has surrounded himself with his entire life.
You can't.
