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.This was foretold in 1963, and you look at much of todays culture and you find that many of these things are happening, we need to do a complete 360 with this country and turn it around to the great country it used to be. Some one dug this up and posted it on facebook so I thought it was important to share

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963



Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
 
Oooh, let's have another red scare. Maybe we can have communist witch-hunts and everything.


I'm gonna be honest with you. This looks pretty retarded. I really hate seeing people driven by fear and hysteria.
 
On The Money

Oooh, let's have another red scare. Maybe we can have communist witch-hunts and everything.


I'm gonna be honest with you. This looks pretty retarded. I really hate seeing people driven by fear and hysteria.

What's wrong, find? Did some of that get you in the ribs?

KS
 
Oooh, let's have another red scare. Maybe we can have communist witch-hunts and everything.


I'm gonna be honest with you. This looks pretty retarded. I really hate seeing people driven by fear and hysteria.

I am gonna be honest with you, this post of yours contributes absolutely nothing to the debate and in fact discourages honest discourse.
 
I am gonna be honest with you, this post of yours contributes absolutely nothing to the debate and in fact discourages honest discourse.

Neither does fearmongering. Kinda what my point was.... I thought you guys were accusing everyone of being socialists. When did you guys switch to communism, I didn't get the memo?
 
What's wrong, find? Did some of that get you in the ribs?

KS

No...... just kinda made me want to watch Dr Strangelove for some reason.


Or better still, Real Men.... you know, with John Ritter and Jim Belushi.
 
Oooh, let's have another red scare. Maybe we can have communist witch-hunts and everything.


I'm gonna be honest with you. This looks pretty retarded. I really hate seeing people driven by fear and hysteria.
Alinsky rule #5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

Ah, the naysayer speaks again. I can predict what your post says before you say it now:

"This is retarded. You people hate Obama and are fearmongers."

That's all you ever contribute anymore. So much for discussing the topic on the merits - something you are apparently incapable of doing - you're just blatantly trolling.

So it's either communists or socialists? False choice - FAIL.

Also, gotta love the 'you guys' phraseology - hater.
 
So, Find, do you think the concerns about the Communists have always been ridiculous and without warrant?
 
So, Find, do you think the concerns about the Communists have always been ridiculous and without warrant?

So far I haven't seen communists overthrow our government, nor do I ever foresee that as happening. Articles like this only serve as negative propaganda to create fear, and to delegitimize the opinions of a group or people. This is akin to the use, and overuse of Nazi or Hitler references to attack a point of view. Freedom of speech and freedom of thought is one of this countries founding principles. A government that represents the people is as well. Our country is made great by the great differences between all people and what they think. People have the right to think and believe in whatever they want. Besides, much of what is stated in that article are only determined subjectively, and only run counter to conservative views. Self-serving rhetoric.

That being said, for the most part, concerns about Communists have been ridiculous and overblown.

Is it your position that people should be punished for having different views on government than your own? Where does that end? Should we also punish people with different religious views while we are at it? Heck, we could start by locking up devil worshippers, and slowly work our way up to Jehova's Witnesses and Jews. Just do me a favor and work the Mormans in some time too, they wont stop coming to my house.

Do you believe the US was fully justified and acted righteously during the time of the communist "witch-hunts" prior to and following World War II?
 
Alinsky rule #5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

..... Pot, meet kettle.

Ah, the naysayer speaks again. I can predict what your post says before you say it now:

"This is retarded. You people hate Obama and are fearmongers."

Since when is this about Obama?

That's all you ever contribute anymore. So much for discussing the topic on the merits - something you are apparently incapable of doing - you're just blatantly trolling.

Great mischaracterization there.

So it's either communists or socialists? False choice - FAIL.

When did I provide that false choice. I just said that I thought that it was the general consensus of the right on this forum that DC was full of socialists. When did they become Communists?

Also, gotta love the 'you guys' phraseology - hater.

Were you offended by calling a group of guys, you guys? Is there some reason I should not have included Shag, cammerfe, and topher in a group of people who like to constantly call liberal politicians Socialists, and then addressed them as if they were a group? Or are you just trying to build a mountain out of a mole-hill.
 
Hey - do you guys know any history - Skousen was a John Bircher - who thought that Eisenhower was a communist agent... You might want to temper his fears with that in mind.

And remember - these are Skousen ideas of what the communist party wants - it is his interpretation

I really like...
Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

If you have never seen this... you have no idea of how moving a 'shapeless awkward and meaningless form' can be -
vietnam-memorial-soldier.jpg
 
A couple of my favorites.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

If I get bored later, I'll dig up shag and Cal's discussions on how anti-discrimination laws or hate-crime legislation violate their civil rights.

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

If you do not believe Jesus Christ is your personal lord and savior and that there can only be one true and correct religion and god, you are a communist.
 
So, the Vietnam Memorial is awkward and meaningless to you?

Interesting...

No- according to Skousen art that is "shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms" is communist - however certainly in the case of the Vietnam War Memorial - basically a shapeless awkward form - where the form is basically meaningless - it is everything but communist - it is a moving, amazing piece of art - that is a perfect example which contradicts his idea that a piece that follows his criteria for communist art would be bad. According to him - the Vietnam war memorial should be decried as communist... it completely follows what he believed that communists would be doing regarding public art.

It is a great example to show that Skousen doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about.

The Vietnam War Memorial is the single most amazing piece of sculpture on the Mall. However, it certainly wasn't without its critics as well....
 
No- according to Skousen art that is "shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms" is communist - however certainly in the case of the Vietnam War Memorial - basically a shapeless awkward form - where the form is basically meaningless - it is everything but communist - it is a moving, amazing piece of art - that is a perfect example which contradicts his idea that a piece that follows his criteria for communist art would be bad. According to him - the Vietnam war memorial should be decried as communist... it completely follows what he believed that communists would be doing regarding public art.

It is a great example to show that Skousen doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about.

The Vietnam War Memorial is the single most amazing piece of sculpture on the Mall. However, it certainly wasn't without its critics as well....
Skousen has defined the VWM as communist, specifically? Or are you just interpreting and categorizing on your own? You're saying that the shapeless form makes it meaningless? I'm having a hard time following your twisted logic. It appears you're trying to stretch the definition to include the VWM. But it won't fly, since you can't verify that Skousen meant what you are currently saying.

So, I heard you right the first time - the Vietnam Memorial in your eyes is shapeless, awkward, and meaningless.

Got it.
 
Skousen has defined the VWM as communist, specifically? Or are you just interpreting and categorizing on your own?

So, I heard you right the first time - the Vietnam Memorial in your eyes is shapeless, awkward, and meaningless.

Got it.

Thanks for showing your true colors foss - by leaving out...

it is a moving, amazing piece of art

The Vietnam War Memorial is the single most amazing piece of sculpture on the Mall.

Foss, your posts are the very best way to show how the right twists and changes things and removes things out of context to create a 'right wing truth', that is in actuality an outright lie... Thank you for following right wing hate 'form' which is actually quite 'meaningless' as well.

It is a meaningless form - the two large walls of granite have no meaning to the form, for instance - unlike the forms in the Iwo Jima Memorial - a literal depiction of an event - the Vietnam War Memorial is abstract - where the meaning of the piece is independent from the 'form'.

Although - why in the world I am discussing abstract art with you, Foss is beyond me - you being the most literal man in America.
 
Thanks for showing your true colors foss - by leaving out...
it is a moving, amazing piece of art

The Vietnam War Memorial is the single most amazing piece of sculpture on the Mall.
Foss, your posts are the very best way to show how the right twists and changes things and removes things out of context to create a 'right wing truth', that is in actuality an outright lie... Thank you for following right wing hate 'form' which is actually quite 'meaningless' as well.

It is a meaningless form - the two large walls of granite have no meaning to the form, for instance - unlike the forms in the Iwo Jima Memorial - a literal depiction of an event - the Vietnam War Memorial is abstract - where the meaning of the piece is independent from the 'form'.

Although - why in the world I am discussing abstract art with you, Foss is beyond me - you being the most literal man in America.
Oh - look who's trying to belittle now? Claiming you know more about abstract art than me - pure Alinsky.

It's a memorial, fox...but then again, I'd expect a lying, propagandizing, Marxist, hippie, America-hater to try to misrepresent what a war memorial really means. :rolleyes:

Tell me, did you ever march in protest against the Vietnam War? Did you ever spit on or name call returning vets?

Fox, show me where Skousen said or meant "meaningless form." Clearly that's what YOU meant - but show me where he said that. I'll wait.
 
Our country is made great by the great differences between all people and what they think.

And yet you actively work to delegitimize any view that disagrees with yours by writing it off as "propaganda" even when facts and empirical studies are cited.
The first is the "vast right-wing conspiracy," a narrative made famous by Hillary Rodham Clinton but hardly limited to her. This vision maintains that conservatives win elections and policy debates not because they triumph in the open battle of ideas but because they deploy brilliant and sinister campaign tactics. A dense network of professional political strategists such as Karl Rove, think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation and industry groups allegedly manipulate information and mislead the public...

This liberal vision emphasizes the dissemination of ideologically driven views from sympathetic media such as the Fox News Channel...

It follows that the thinkers, politicians and citizens who advance conservative ideas must be dupes, quacks or hired guns selling stories they know to be a sham. In this spirit, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman regularly dismisses conservative arguments not simply as incorrect, but as lies. Writing last summer, Krugman pondered the duplicity he found evident in 35 years' worth of Wall Street Journal editorial writers: "What do these people really believe? I mean, they're not stupid -- life would be a lot easier if they were. So they know they're not telling the truth. But they obviously believe that their dishonesty serves a higher truth. . . . The question is, what is that higher truth?"

In Krugman's world, there is no need to take seriously the arguments of "these people" -- only to plumb the depths of their errors and imagine hidden motives.
 
So, now you're claiming that the VWM is abstract art? :bowrofl:

Fox, show me where Skousen said or meant "meaningless form." Clearly that's what YOU meant - but show me where he said that. I'll wait.

From the above list by Skousen...

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."​

In the Vietnam War Memorial the 'form' of the two walls has no meaning - therefore its form is meaningless - it is the content that has meaning...

This Memorial falls in line with how Skousen views a communist approach to art - meaningless form.

Once again Foss - take a lot of abstract art classes? It is abstract, it is art - therefore...

However - let's just look at your little 'taking out of context' stuff - by only quoting bits and pieces of my replies - you create a false truth - you wanted people to think that I personally thought that the Vietnam war memorial was 'meaningless', where if you take my post in whole, it paints a far different picture.

I am glad to see you are goosestepping in line with one of the right's favorite modus operandi foss....
 
Once again Foss - take a lot of abstract art classes? It is abstract, it is art - therefore...
Saul Alinsky Rule #3. "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
 
Foss, your posts are the very best way to show how the right twists and changes things and removes things out of context to create a 'right wing truth', that is in actuality an outright lie...

The first is the "vast right-wing conspiracy,"... This vision maintains that conservatives win elections and policy debates not because they triumph in the open battle of ideas but because they deploy brilliant and sinister campaign tactics...

This liberal vision emphasizes the dissemination of ideologically driven views from sympathetic media such as the Fox News Channel. For example, Chris Mooney's book "The Republican War on Science" argues that policy debates in the scientific arena are distorted by conservatives who disregard evidence and reflect the biases of industry-backed Republican politicians or of evangelicals aimlessly shielding the world from modernity. In this interpretation, conservative arguments are invariably false and deployed only cynically...

It follows that the thinkers, politicians and citizens who advance conservative ideas must be dupes, quacks or hired guns selling stories they know to be a sham. In this spirit, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman regularly dismisses conservative arguments not simply as incorrect, but as lies. Writing last summer, Krugman pondered the duplicity he found evident in 35 years' worth of Wall Street Journal editorial writers: "What do these people really believe? I mean, they're not stupid -- life would be a lot easier if they were. So they know they're not telling the truth. But they obviously believe that their dishonesty serves a higher truth. . . . The question is, what is that higher truth?"

...

But, if conservative leaders are crass manipulators, then the rank-and-file Americans who support them must be manipulated at best, or stupid at worst. This is the second variety of liberal condescension, exemplified in Thomas Frank's best-selling 2004 book, "What's the Matter With Kansas?" Frank argued that working-class voters were so distracted by issues such as abortion that they were induced into voting against their own economic interests. Then-Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, later chairman of the Democratic National Committee, echoed that theme in his 2004 presidential run, when he said Republicans had succeeded in getting Southern whites to focus on "guns, God and gays" instead of economic redistribution.

And speaking to a roomful of Democratic donors in 2008, then-presidential candidate Obama offered a similar (and infamous) analysis when he suggested that residents of Rust Belt towns "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations" about job losses. When his comments became public, Obama backed away from their tenor but insisted that "I said something that everybody knows is true."

In this view, we should pay attention to conservative voters' underlying problems but disregard the policy demands they voice; these are illusory, devoid of reason or evidence. This form of liberal condescension implies that conservative masses are in the grip of false consciousness. When they express their views at town hall meetings or "tea party" gatherings, it might be politically prudent for liberals to hear them out, but there is no reason to actually listen.

Thank you for following right wing hate 'form' which is actually quite 'meaningless' as well.
Finally, liberals condescend to the rest of us when they say conservatives are driven purely by emotion and anxiety -- including fear of change -- whereas liberals have the harder task of appealing to evidence and logic. Former vice president Al Gore made this case in his 2007 book, "The Assault on Reason," in which he expressed fear that American politics was under siege from a coalition of religious fundamentalists, foreign policy extremists and industry groups opposed to "any reasoning process that threatens their economic goals." This right-wing politics involves a gradual "abandonment of concern for reason or evidence" and relies on propaganda to maintain public support, he wrote.

Prominent liberal academics also propagate these beliefs. George Lakoff, a linguist at the University of California at Berkeley and a consultant to Democratic candidates, says flatly that liberals, unlike conservatives, "still believe in Enlightenment reason," while Drew Westen, an Emory University psychologist and Democratic consultant, argues that the GOP has done a better job of mastering the emotional side of campaigns because Democrats, alas, are just too intellectual. "They like to read and think," Westen wrote. "They thrive on policy debates, arguments, statistics, and getting the facts right."

...

These four liberal narratives not only justify the dismissal of conservative thinking as biased or irrelevant -- they insist on it. By no means do all liberals adhere to them, but they are mainstream in left-of-center thinking. Indeed, when the president met with House Republicans in Baltimore recently, he assured them that he considers their ideas, but he then rejected their motives in virtually the same breath.

...

To many liberals, this worldview may be appealing, but it severely limits our national conversation on critical policy issues.
 
Oh - look who's trying to belittle now? Claiming you know more about abstract art than me - pure Alinsky.

It's a memorial, fox...but then again, I'd expect a lying, propagandizing, Marxist, hippie, America-hater to try to misrepresent what a war memorial really means. :rolleyes:

Tell me, did you ever march in protest against the Vietnam War? Did you ever spit on or name call returning vets?

Fox, show me where Skousen said or meant "meaningless form." Clearly that's what YOU meant - but show me where he said that. I'll wait.

Ah, I see you have added to your post...

No - I didn't protest the war, I was too young. I would never spit or name call a vet - my father served in Korea and Vietnam, and earned the Silver Star. He has always been my hero.

Memorials are public art foss - they are often designed and executed by world renown artists and architects. To say they aren't works of art, as well as being public memorials is belittling the men and women who design them, as well as the public who views them as amazing works of art, beyond their initial 'job' of being memorials.

When I was with my Dad in DC for the dedication of the Korean War Veterans Memorial, my Dad hadn't seen the Vietnam War Memorial yet. The memorials are quite different - the Korean War Memorial are amazing statues of the men in a snow storm, reflected by granite panels that are engraved with scenes from war. The bleakness and raw emotion of the presentation makes it a very moving piece of art. However, my father cried as he placed his hand on a name at the Vietnam Memorial. When I asked my Dad if he knew the soldier, my Dad said "All soldiers know the men behind every name on this wall."

It is great art.
 
Shag - once you get over Alexander and actually start thinking for yourself it might behoove me to reply... however, you know that is exactly what foss was doing - taking me out of context in hopes of painting me as an uncaring, vet-hating, liberal... but, you won't address that - it doesn't fall within your 'cut and paste' world.
 
Ah, I see you have added to your post...

No - I didn't protest the war, I was too young. I would never spit or name call a vet - my father served in Korea and Vietnam, and earned the Silver Star.
So did John Kerry.
 
Saul Alinsky Rule #3. "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

So, as you can see Foss - Skousen very specifically stated 'Meaningless Form' unlike you supposition that he didn't...

And if you don't understand how meaningless form works in abstract art, you might want to take a class or two, just like Skousen should have before delving into the subject.

Nothing like a little misdirection right?
 

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