Do I need to upgrade headlight globes for hid lights

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I did a search but couldn't find my answer. I have 2002 LS was thinking of upgrading my lights to these HID'S,

HIDeXtra Intense White 6000k HID Kit
$59.99
49 Reviews

The question that I need answered is will these work with the stock globes, and will heat be a issue?

Thanks in advance.
 
many many many other people have HID kits in their OEM halogen headlight housings.

I wouldn't get anything more powerful than 35 watt kits...

as for whether or not they will work, depends on what bulb size/style you get.
 
many many many other people have HID kits in their OEM halogen headlight housings.

I wouldn't get anything more powerful than 35 watt kits...
Thanks for the response will be ordering them tonight

With the kit i posted is there anything I need to look out for or is it just plug and play.
 
not really sure, don't have any experience with them, you'll probably need the ones with the bulb out canceler built in, this is also just a guess.
 
They may work, but many here will indicate that the stock halogen reflectors will reflect a bad glare to oncoming traffic. True HID lights have a different reflector. Gen 1's did not have the HID option, so no 'HID reflectors' exist. 6000K is slightly blue......where 5000K may be more white and therefore, a better, brighter light. (I like how the blueish light looks though). I think the shields that cut some of that light pattern are called "Casper" sheilds (maybe it is the brand). I have not seen anyone sell them, but the web does talk of them. As for heat, I think HID runs cooler. Be sure the ballasts are protected from water. The ballasts may run hot. I am sure if I am inaccurate or wrong in my statements, others will correct me!

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They may work, but many here will indicate that the stock halogen reflectors will reflect a bad glare to oncoming traffic. True HID lights have a different reflector. ...

Thank you. This is a huge pet peeve of mine. What millions of people don't know is that the biggest performance difference between halogens and HIDs/Xenons/plasmas, beyond efficiency, is that they have a very different light output pattern. Standard halogen incandescent bulbs have a physical filament made out of a straight, coiled wire. HIDs produce light from an electrical arc. There is a slight curve between the two posts. This means that the light source in the bulb isn't quite where it should be if used in a standard halogen housing. The end result is that the light is reflected in the wrong direction and appear to be halfway between lowbeams and highbeams (if you've ever had a car with dual-filament headlights). The reason why HIDs in halogen reflectors seem brighter, besides actually being a little brighter, is that they project upwards more than low beams. It's like driving with one low and one high beam all the time. Look at a Maglite with a focusing head. Moving the lens in and out and look at how much the beam output changes. Now look at how little the lens and reflector actually moved.

Generally, halogens use big reflectors while HIDs use smaller reflectors with optical lenses in front. You can design either reflector to work with either bulb, but you can't have both in one. As far as I know, no factory HID bulb has used a visible reflector, just refractors. However, some recent Fords ('13+ Fusion) use refractory lenses with halogen bulbs. Even though they're the common HID style lens, you still can't put HIDs in there properly.

Don't even get me started on blue lights. They are the worst color you can use. They fool you into thinking you see better because human eyes are very inadequate when it comes to perceiving blue light. This is apparent at night with the latest generation of deep blue LEDs used in both Christmas and police lights. They look like you have lens flare in your eyes. Factory blue VW dashes are my least favorite dash, even after my girlfriend's Corolla's yellow-green, tachless, dash with an oversized fuel gauge and burned out bulb.

Moving on. Some of you HID users will probably despise me for this and think "it's completely fine and you're over reacting". That's ok. When I see you on the road, I despise you too. Here and there I have found kits on eBay that give you a refractory lens housing that seems like it might fit into the reflector headlights, but I don't know how well they work. They seem ok since they let you pick which side your oncoming traffic is on to lower that cutoff for different countries.

... I am sure if I am inaccurate or wrong in my statements, others will correct me!

Cunningham's Law: The best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask the question, but to post the wrong answer
 
Thank you. This is a huge pet peeve of mine. What millions of people don't know is that the biggest performance difference between halogens and HIDs/Xenons/plasmas, beyond efficiency, is that they have a very different light output pattern. Standard halogen incandescent bulbs have a physical filament made out of a straight, coiled wire. HIDs produce light from an electrical arc. There is a slight curve between the two posts. This means that the light source in the bulb isn't quite where it should be if used in a standard halogen housing. The end result is that the light is reflected in the wrong direction and appear to be halfway between lowbeams and highbeams (if you've ever had a car with dual-filament headlights). The reason why HIDs in halogen reflectors seem brighter, besides actually being a little brighter, is that they project upwards more than low beams. It's like driving with one low and one high beam all the time. Look at a Maglite with a focusing head. Moving the lens in and out and look at how much the beam output changes. Now look at how little the lens and reflector actually moved.

Generally, halogens use big reflectors while HIDs use smaller reflectors with optical lenses in front. You can design either reflector to work with either bulb, but you can't have both in one. As far as I know, no factory HID bulb has used a visible reflector, just refractors. However, some recent Fords ('13+ Fusion) use refractory lenses with halogen bulbs. Even though they're the common HID style lens, you still can't put HIDs in there properly.

Don't even get me started on blue lights. They are the worst color you can use. They fool you into thinking you see better because human eyes are very inadequate when it comes to perceiving blue light. This is apparent at night with the latest generation of deep blue LEDs used in both Christmas and police lights. They look like you have lens flare in your eyes. Factory blue VW dashes are my least favorite dash, even after my girlfriend's Corolla's yellow-green, tachless, dash with an oversized fuel gauge and burned out bulb.

Moving on. Some of you HID users will probably despise me for this and think "it's completely fine and you're over reacting". That's ok. When I see you on the road, I despise you too. Here and there I have found kits on eBay that give you a refractory lens housing that seems like it might fit into the reflector headlights, but I don't know how well they work. They seem ok since they let you pick which side your oncoming traffic is on to lower that cutoff for different countries.



Cunningham's Law: The best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask the question, but to post the wrong answer

So what I'm understanding is to do the HID'S I should upgrade the housing as well, or have the reflectors re-aimed?

What's the best way to upgrade to the HID'S?

I live in Georgia so it's more dark rosdes then lit, so a brighter light is what I truly need,the ones I linked to are not blue but intense white which is suppose to be brighter then the standard, 5000 bulb from what I read on the site.

When I do the upgrade I want it done correctly not half ass.
Thanks for the info and response.

Do have any links from eBay that have the cutoff kits or a keyword. That I can input to get to the right sites.
 
If you're really patient and a good internet researcher you can probably find someone parting out an LS that doesn't know he has HIDs and what they're worth and get them for cheap. Several members have been successful finding HIDs when the person parting the car thought they were just regular headlights. Easy way to spot them is the yellow warning sticker above the ballast.
 
Or get a full retrofit kit with projectors and install them in your original headlights. I have no idea how much work you're looking at though. TheRetrofitSource.com claims 4 hours for their $270 kit and little to no cutting...
 
retro fitting a set of actual projectors (as long as done right) is by far the best option to go for light output, projectors always have a razor sharp cut off line as to not blind drivers and there was a picture on here awhile back of a guy that retrofitted a set of lexus (I think) projos and with the brights on was amazing, basically lit up a huge area with the fury of a thousand suns!
 
I found a spot here in Atlanta off of jimmy carter that do the retro fit for less then 200 I'll have them retrofit it then purchase something that will last down the road.
 
A picture of an install from LVC. It is not a picture of my car. It's a Gen 2 light fixture.

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I like the idea of the projectors, but the way it looks on the LS just doesn't work. Maybe it would work with them in the high-beams, but the headlights are a big part of the LS's style.
 
I agree, coming from a looks standpoint, a small projector sitting inside a large reflector just looks a little funny
 

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