Does Ford make a new; or rebuilt Mark VII

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Must replace 1986 Lincoln Mark VII engine - Bill Blass edition


Got quotes from several shops. All say Ford's new motors will not work on Mark VII. I've also been told Ford does not rebuild Lincoln motors.

Is that true?


I've Googled and found only companies I've never heard of offering rebuilt motors.
 
Lincoln motors ARE Ford motors. I don't think I'd be bringing anything of mine to a dealer to rebuild!

Go find a short block at a junkyard, have it checked for cracks, etc., and have a machine shop put it together. That's what I did with the one in my '87. Then get a couple of buddies to help you yank the old one out and put the new one in.
 
rebuild vs new engine

1986 Mark VII - Bill Blass edition
5.0 L engine



---One Way wrote:

Shop I work part time at recently installed a Jasper 5.0 in a '92 Mark VII SE. It's basically the same engine that is found in Mustang 5.0's. Comes with a 3 yr 36K warranty also.


Response: So, I ask the dealer for a Jasper motor instead of a Ford motor?




---NYC LSC wrote:

Lincoln motors ARE Ford motors. I don't think I'd be bringing anything of mine to a dealer to rebuild! Go find a short block at a junkyard, have it checked for cracks, etc., and have a machine shop put it together. That's what I did with the one in my '87. Then get a couple of buddies to help you yank the old one out and put the new one in.



Response: I am a female, so, doing the work is out of the question, but I would love to have those kind of buddies.



---Josh McMadMac wrote:

What is wrong with the engine you have?




Response: The bearings are rattling, the oil pan seal is all but non-existant. I've had two independent shops and one Lincoln dealership analyze the car and give me a recommendation. All three said they could fix the bearing problem, but that and the oil pan gasket and rear engine seal replacement is almost as expensive as replacing the motor.




So, my questions are this:


1. How long can I expect the 36,000 guaranteed motor to last? My Impala lasted 242,000 miles, but I take good care of her. She got oil changed and filter changes every 3,000 miles.

2. Is the rebuilt motor, the shops are referencing, are they Ford motors?

3. Who is doing the rebuild?

4. I've noticed the shop foremen use the phrase "remanufactured engines" rather than rebuilt. Is there a difference, or is a new term for rebuilt?

5. When I take the Lincoln to the shop, what questions should I ask, or items have them address?

6. Every place has asked if I want an HO engine? Do I and why?
 
Anyone know if engine computers and wiring are different between non HO and HO motors?

You do want the HO motor, especially if the wiring and computer are identical or easily swapped because the non HO motor which you have now is a turd compared to the HO (150 horsepower, 275 lbs ft of torque versus a little less than 225hp and 300 lbs ft of torque). You will have much improved throttle response and merging capability with the HO engine. Passing and merging will be much easier with the HO. It should cost the same or less to use it if the computer and harness are the same. According to prices from Jasper, the non HO engine, VIN F, will be the same price as an HO, VIN M or E. VIN E is preferable as it will have slightly more power than the VIN M and will be slightly more desirable if you ever sell the car. After sampling the HO, you will have wondered how you ever lived without it and how Ford could have offered it at all. It's like McDonald's versus prime rib if you like beef. It's that much better. (I have both engines by the way.)

Remanufactured is essentially the same as rebuilt. They're just two different words to describe a similar process. A thorough rebuild will be a remanufacture. Marketing types like remanufacture because it sounds better and imparts a certain feel.

Ford doesn't rebuild/remanufacture engines. There are places that do this, however. Some of these places, like Jasper, make it part of their specialty and they sell their engines throughout the country or even globally. (http://www.jasperengines.com/gas-engines.htm) You don't have to get a reman engine from a place like Jasper, but they have a credibility and level of experience that you will want to find. If you have any friends who are into cars or know of any hot rod shops that build or restore cars, ask them if they know of a reputable local shop than can rebuild an engine for you. Most engine builders who specialize in performance will be able to do a better job than someone who just does it on the side or just does it as a job. This is not always true, but I say it because people with performance in mind should know the weaknesses of the engine better and should be aware of the remedies or processes needed to alleviate or cure problems and should be aware of costs versus benefits more accutely. To someone who routinely builds engines to the more exacting standards of a performance rebuild, a factory spec rebuild will be easy. I would also like to think a level of care that may not exist at a place that does an engine rebuild every few months will go into the engine at a specialist builder. Some repair shops also do good rebuilds and will do a fine job as well. How do you find them? Ask around and see if you can find a place that does rebuilds often, especially on the Ford 5.0.

A new engine, if properly maintained, will last 200k miles or more easily on conventional oil (as you have seen) and much longer with less wear and longer lasting performance if using a quality synthetic oil like Mobil 1. One gentleman has 265k miles+ and counting on his Mark VII without an engine rebuild and it is as good as new. He's largely used regular Mobil 1 with lengthened oil change intervals. 5-8k miles between changes is a safe, conservative number with Mobil 1. I would not recommend the extended performance Mobil 1 as it's marketing hype. Whether or not the maintenance of original perfomance and reduced wear is worth the slightly added cost is your call though.

You should ask about the length and coverage of warranites, how many rebuilds they do, and what their rebuilds include that others don't. Your Lincoln motor is a Ford motor and so that is what you will be asking for and getting.
 
OldSchool1 said:
Pictures?!?!

Um, somewhere, I think. This is that back car I was hoping to buy, but the owner decided to fix it.

1986_MarkVII said:
Response: So, I ask the dealer for a Jasper motor instead of a Ford motor?

How long can I expect the 36,000 guaranteed motor to last? My Impala lasted 242,000 miles, but I take good care of her. She got oil changed and filter changes every 3,000 miles.

That's up to you. Some dealerships will, some won't. Something else to think about, a dealership will generally have higher labor rates than an independent shop. So if cost is a concern, you should shop around. IIRC, there is an installer locator on the Jasper website.

The Jasper 3 yr 36K engine warranty is as long as the current Ford Motor Company Warranty on their cars and light trucks. With proper care, you should see many more miles!
 
Thank you very much, gentlemen. Much appreciated.


I found a retired mechanic (62 years) that offered to install the new motor. He worked on Fords in his career.

He asked for the last four digits of the VIN number to search for a motor. He also said he didn't think the HO motor was compatible with my car. Something wiring or something.

He too said I would be better off with the HO.
 

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