Emergency: Politicians Call for End of 1st & 2nd Amendments

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...indicate Petit's political leanings, but Cal would like you to think that he is just a namby-pampy, gun hating, leaf licking liberal.

Why would you do that Cal?

I don't believe he did that sort of characterizing at all. You're the one who brought up the fact that there'd been no 'gun' component to the doctor's list of might-have-beens.

Those of us who are 'gun-friendly' would certainly have had a giant component of 'wish-I-had' under the given circumstances. And if the doctor was 'gun-friendly' I believe he'd have the same thoughts I have.

Cal has made no un-warranted leap in his comments.

KS
 
I don't believe he did that sort of characterizing at all. You're the one who brought up the fact that there'd been no 'gun' component to the doctor's list of might-have-beens.

Those of us who are 'gun-friendly' would certainly have had a giant component of 'wish-I-had' under the given circumstances. And if the doctor was 'gun-friendly' I believe he'd have the same thoughts I have.

Cal has made no un-warranted leap in his comments.

KS

This isn't a 'un-warranted' comment - come on KS...

Discussing firearms may likely have just been inappropriate in his circles, such crude, ugly, violent things. The mention of such things probably included a joke about Nascar and George W Bush. Anyone who would bother to buy or train with them, not to mention CARRY ONE to the grocery store must be a paranoid gun-nut just waiting for the opportunity to play cowboy.

In his circles - what circles - I have absolutely no idea of where cal gets this - he is a doctor - so that leads us to believe something - doctor 'circles'?

Jokes about NASCAR and Bush - the man could be a Nascar fan, and have voted for Bush. Just because you don't own a gun doesn't preclude you from liking NASCAR or not voting for Bush... I own guns, I don't like NASCAR and guess who I didn't vote for...

There is absolutely nothing that would indicate that he hates guns - just because you might not feel comfortable with guns yourself doesn't mean that you hate guns.

Cal's prejudices are showing - and so are yours KS

I would hate to find out what you don't like - so we could draw equally irrational conclusions from the same...

Don't like moose stew - you must hate guns, Alaska, Palin, and America
 
There is absolutely nothing within the original article that would indicate Petit's political leanings, but Cal would like you to think that he is just a namby-pampy, gun hating, leaf licking liberal.
Dr. Petit is a victim of a horrific crime.
It was you who decided that it was important to note the Petit has not made any statements expressing his wish to have had access to a firearm at the time of the attacks. And all media reports of the crime tend to indicate that the Petit family didn't own any firearms.

I will also add, based on my own research, Dr. Petit was a most likely Connecticut Republican.

With that said, my statements regarding the emasculating culture was not partisan but a statement regarding the dominant culture in that part of the country. And I say that have been raised in the NY/NJ/Conn tri-state area and having many friends who are part of the "elite" class throughout the N.E. At one time I lived about 30 miles from Petit.

With that said, I DO think it is irresponsible for a person to take the security of their family so casually. And, with great regret, this poor man is left to be tortured for that mistake.

And I will say, without apology, that I think most men are naturally programmed with a sense of obligation to defend their family. To defer this responsibility to someone else does represent some kind of emasculation. And this can be demonstrated by a reluctance to own a firearm or by saying, "I'd rather just be killed than have to kill someone in defense."

I can handle myself pretty well, but in a home invasion situation, possibly with armed baddies, I need a tool or a force equalizer. I think it would be irresponsible for me NOT to own and train to defend myself and those I care about. And if I ever reach a point where I think this obligation should be shifted to someone or something else, I will have been emasculated.

Sadly, if you read the reports, the events of the horrible night could have been avoided if the family had made situational awareness and general security an even casual concern.

Why would you do that Cal?
I wouldn't. But the better question is, why do you feel the need to misrepresent what I've said and how I've said, and rather the continuing the conversation honestly, instead make it about me?

Were you looking for another angle after your rhetorical trick regarding the 2nd amendment failed? Actually, don't bother answering that.

Back on topic,
how different would Petit's life be right now if his family took responsibility for their security, including owning or carrying a handgun? Maybe it wouldn't have made a difference. Maybe his youngest daughter wouldn't have been raped and covered in gasoline.
 
Your comments were extremely 'partisan' cal - don't dance around that. Own up - they were.

inappropriate in his circles, such crude, ugly, violent things. The mention of such things probably included a joke about Nascar and George W Bush.

So, he was a Republican - probably did vote for Bush - maybe likes Nascar - you were the one that drew a rather irrational conclusion, based on basically nothing, except your own personal prejudices.

So, if you don't own a firearm, and aren't willing to use lethal force, you are not a 'man'? I would really like to get where you are going with this...
 
Your comments were extremely 'partisan' cal - don't dance around that. Own up - they were.
Yes, nasty partisan rhetoric about a man that I'm confident is a Republican?
Sorry, foxpaws, that doesn't make sense.
I made a statement about culture and attitude.

based on basically nothing, except your own personal prejudices.
Not at all, it was based on personal observation and experience.

So, if you don't own a firearm, and aren't willing to use lethal force, you are not a 'man'? I would really like to get where you are going with this...
You don't have to own a firearm to be a "man."
However, if you're not willing to use lethal force to defend the lives of your family, I don't think you are... or you're not being honest because you've been conditioned to think such sentiment is wrong.

And I think you've been emasculated if you shift the entire responsibility of protecting your family to someone else that you don't control.
If someone breaks into my home, I'm not going to cower helplessly and hope the police find my family before the home invader does.
 

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