EMP attack to wipe out America

Well I still have my stash from when Israel was going to bomb Iran so I think I am safe.
Come to my house KK I have two mini bikes we can evade the hordes that are after my water and gas stash...you bring the dope to fuel the paranoia ok????
 
shagdrum said:
Assuming an EMP goes off, I don't think even more basic electronics would work, like a carbureted car's starting and ignition systems. It would knock out ALL electronics unless they are properly shielded.
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I could MAYBE see that happening at the epicenter of a blast.... maybe.
 
ford nut said:
Well I still have my stash from when Israel was going to bomb Iran so I think I am safe.
Come to my house KK I have two mini bikes we can evade the hordes that are after my water and gas stash...you bring the dope to fuel the paranoia ok????
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Water??

We have lots of lakes here :D
 
By electronics in an older car what do you mean there arent any. Maybe the diodes in the alternator would be affected but that would be it if any.
 
Why is considering an EMP attack "tin-foil hat?"
Is worrying about a suitcase nuke, a bio-terror attack, global warming, or even swine flue in tin-foil hat territory too?
 
Calabrio said:
You sound awfully helpless.
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If a suitcase nuke goes off next to you what can you do?

If a biological strike happens in a place you are and it kills you what can you do?

If someone does wipe out our power grid what can you do?

Worrying about this :q:q:q:q is right up there with worrying about the weather... it is so out of your control it isn't even funny... and I'm sorry but crying about it on a car forum isn't going to help :q:q:q:q either....
 
kustomizingkid said:
Worrying about this :q:q:q:q is right up there with worrying about the weather... it is so out of your control it isn't even funny... and I'm sorry but crying about it on a car forum isn't going to help :q:q:q:q either....
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You can buy an umbrella.
Or watch the weather report and plan accordingly...
In reality, there's quite a lot you can do.

As I said, you sound completely helpless and powerless.
But more importantly, we aren't talking about acts of nature here.
 
Wow...you guys need to chill...an emp attack is not likely and isnt nearly as bad as you are all making it out to be.

There are Nuclear EMPs and EMPs...all Nuclear weapons give off EMPs and if we are hit by a nuclear one...we have bigger problems. If by some chance someone was able to generate a large enough standard non nuclear EMP above the united states and if everything went perfect with the right burst in the right place it could knock out most of the countries electrical grid and communications...however its not something that will put us in the dark ages or something to lose sleep over.

First off, an EMP blast generally only affects things with large antennas, metal objects, etc, and things that are being operated WHEN the emp blast goes off. Its possible for electronics that are off or unplugged to be affected if close enough to the blast or other objects that were affected but unlikely.

With that said, walkie talkies, radios, etc will still work...use batteries.

You can build a Faraday box (simple metal box that absorbs the EMP...google it) to protect your delicate electronics if its that big of a deal and it works better then shielding the components.

Want to survive the end of the world? Not just from an emp?

Make sure you have a vehicle with a carb, spare batteries for that vehicle (leave it disconnected until you need to use it), tons of fuel (gasoline, oil, etc), generators, guns, food, a small underground shelter or at least dig a hole to keep most of your doomsday stuff stored and you should be pretty much good...until you can go scout the surrounding area and resupply.

I'll also note that an EMP can last longer then a few seconds and the only way to see if its over is to use the electronics again...kind of a catch 22 but if you have some junk you dont care about with some batteries...easy to figure it out if the EMP is over.
 
How many countries could pull off attacking America with an EMP so large it wipes out the entire country or most of it? Exactly.
 
The scary answer is - just about all of them.
You don't need to detonate a nuclear weapon in order to build an EMP weapon. Remember the remake of OCEANS 11 with George Clooney? They used an EMP weapon to rob the casino.

And while "wiping out the entire country" with one blast may not be likely, it's also not necessary. Imagine just blowing off one above New York City. Imagine the civil disorder that would result. The data loss. The damages and cost. And the impact it would have on the national economy and the way government would respond to such a thing.

And it would also directly affect other systems and areas outside the immediate range of the "blast."

So it's a real threat.
It shouldn't be dismissed.
to repost the link from 10/2008:
http://www.heritage.org/research/homelandsecurity/bg2199.cfm
 
While taking out NY, or more realistically a part of it, it's not the same as the "wipe out America" the op stated.
 
TheDude said:
While taking out NY, or more realistically a part of it, it's not the same as the "wipe out America" the op stated.
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How many countries have the ability to make one nuclear bomb?
The number is very high and growing.
According to Dr. Peter Vincent Pry it would only take one nuclear device at a high enough altitude. A ship born missile could do it.

It's a real threat.
It's something that we should prepare for- be it regional or national.
 
TheDude said:
While taking out NY, or more realistically a part of it, it's not the same as the "wipe out America" the op stated.
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I really wish you would research stuff I bring up for a topic before posting your 'expert' opinion. It you did a little of your own research or even attempted to look at the links I provided, you would see that is now increasingly easy to accomplish AND I THINK this is the Number 1 external threat to America, besides the internal threat called President Obama and of course his communist czar appointments.
 
MonsterMark said:
I really wish you would research stuff I bring up for a topic before posting your 'expert' opinion. It you did a little of your own research or even attempted to look at the links I provided, you would see that is now increasingly easy to accomplish AND I THINK this is the Number 1 external threat to America, besides the internal threat called President Obama and of course his communist czar appointments.
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My opinion isn't expert, nor have I ever asserted it was.

The military and intelligence agencies are EMP proofed already, so any country trying to attack America via this manner would expect assured total annihilation form a US retaliation. There lies the safety. They take out our power grids, we turn them into glass. Also of note. Also of note

That and other countries (yes, even N. Korea and Iran) do like their money; as the past has shown, when America [economically] sneezes the rest of the world gets the flu.
 
foxpaws said:
MM - you aren't losing sleep over this are you?

Thank goodness I had the girls protected before I opened this thread...

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Foxpaws please tell me that the pic is of you. ;)
 
TheDude said:
That and other countries (yes, even N. Korea and Iran) do like their money; as the past has shown, when America [economically] sneezes the rest of the world gets the flu.
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You know I like you. I've always liked you even though we've never met. Hell, I don't even know what you look like but it doesn't matter.

What you don't understand... what I can't believe you don't understand...is............

Our enemy is a sect of people that take the Japanese kamikaze to a whole new level.

They fervently believe that if they die for the honor of Islam, they will be rewarded in heaven with 70 virgins.

Do you understand that? They don't value life and liberty like we do.

They don't give two-shiits if they die as long as they take one of us along with them.

Israel understands this and will attack in the next six months to prevent Israel's extermination.

I typed this with a heavy heart. I am pretty disappointed with you NOT understanding our adversaries and the dangers that lie ahead. And my feelings includes Obama, who I feel is the greatest threat to our liberty this Country has ever faced. Just being honest.

Flame away. I don't give a crap.:(
 
MonsterMark said:
You know I like you. I've always liked you even though we've never met. Hell, I don't even know what you look like but it doesn't matter.

What you don't understand... what I can't believe you don't understand...is............

Our enemy is a sect of people that take the Japanese kamikaze to a whole new level.

They fervently believe that if they die for the honor of Islam, they will be rewarded in heaven with 70 virgins.

Do you understand that? They don't value life and liberty like we do.

They don't give two-shiits if they die as long as they take one of us along with them.

Israel understands this and will attack in the next six months to prevent Israel's extermination.

I typed this with a heavy heart. I am pretty disappointed with you NOT understanding our adversaries and the dangers that lie ahead. And my feelings includes Obama, who I feel is the greatest threat to our liberty this Country has ever faced. Just being honest.

Flame away. I don't give a crap.:(
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I like you too; I sincerely mean that. Though this last year or so of you going deeper into the deep end is troubling.

I'm ware of the extreme groups/factions that have no problem brainwashing a bunch of idiots into strapping on explosives and running into schools because God apparently commands it; those groups aren't going to pull off some massive EMP attack from the stratosphere that will collapse the US.

Ahmedinejad is a viscous ranter and the Ayatollahs that pull his strings are rabid religious loons, but they like living, they love wealth and they feverishly enjoy being in power/controlling the masses of their country. So in the pursuit of those three things, they're not going to pull a maneuver that will net them certain death.

Kim Jong-Il does too; he comes off as exceptionally crazy though and if his health starts to wane, they there's no telling what he'll do. But China in its best [financial] interest will likely keep him in check. He's a bit of a wild-card though with the resources of a country. So I'd worry about him more, than I would Iran.

This is why I don't worry about a massive EMP attack, namely the greed of others. I'd worry more about another 9/11 level of attack or suitcase-sized nuke going off in a large city.

I don't flame you in a malicious way, you know that.
 
You don't have to have the ability to make a nuke to use one, all you have to do is OWN one. The former Soviet Union had a lot of trouble in the 90s with nukes in satellite countries disappearing, i.e. being sold for cash by rogue scientists and such.

There are a lot of unaccounted-for nukes floating around somewhere.
 
There are a lot of unaccounted-for nukes floating around somewhere.
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there's alot of over accounted for things as well. with the soviet system being what it was, there's a high probability they never existed at all. kinda like the cement powder in crumbling buildings.
i'm sure any rogue nation would have used it by now if they had it.
 
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