Ford Looks to (Finally) Revitalize Lincoln — Is It Enough?

[sonspringer]

Re:

“im looking get a new ride as soon as my insurance check comes through for my totaled LS6. Im looking to get another ls, an STS, or a SUV. American is and always will be my only option.”
-hurricanetuck

If you compare car insurance rates, you’ll find that SUV’s are a good way to go. If fact larger vehicles are generally favored by insurance providers since they have sturdier frames and are easier to see on the road, hence less likely to kill the passengers or even get into accidents in the first place.

 

[05 LS8]

The path they have been on, will take them another 10 years before they make anything attractive.

You guys think the current Lincolns look bad? Take a look at 2013 MKS. http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/17/2013-lincoln-mks-evolves-new-nose-bigger-brakes/

Current one looks nice. But this thing is just ugly....ugly with capital letters. Seem like they got a really good deal on ebay for grilles, bought a bunch and slapped it on the front.

 

[regiment1]

The path they have been on, will take them another 10 years before they make anything attractive.

You guys think the current Lincolns look bad? Take a look at 2013 MKS. http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/17/2013-lincoln-mks-evolves-new-nose-bigger-brakes/

Current one looks nice. But this thing is just ugly....ugly with capital letters. Seem like they got a really good deal on ebay for grilles, bought a bunch and slapped it on the front.

The front looks like they stole design elements from the Chrysler Sebring, Olds Achieva and Ford Focus and mashed 'em all up together.

 

[Scottie]

The path they have been on, will take them another 10 years before they make anything attractive.

You guys think the current Lincolns look bad? Take a look at 2013 MKS. http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/17/2013-lincoln-mks-evolves-new-nose-bigger-brakes/

Current one looks nice. But this thing is just ugly....ugly with capital letters. Seem like they got a really good deal on ebay for grilles, bought a bunch and slapped it on the front.

Hideous!

The sad part is the rest of the car is probably a decent car, but it won't matter because the majority will be turned off by the looks alone.

 

[joegr]

Hideous!

The sad part is the rest of the car is probably a decent car, ...

No, its FWD.

 

[RodLS]

:yuck:

 

[BlackLS06]

wow...that is ugly.

why the hell do all these new cars sort of look like they lean forward?? I hate that styling cue. And look how tall the doors are and how high of the ground it sits.

 

[chocolat1701]

wow this one is too aggressive looking but i have to see it in person to make a good judgment.

 

[Andrizzle]

Embarrassing. Who the hell sketched that up and was like "yup, this will do!"

 

[chocolat1701]

wait a minute these pictures are much better and i may say they do look more sporty. http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/17/2013-lincoln-mks-hits-the-hollywood-spotlight/

 

[chocolat1701]

they say it looks more elegant then the first one and also that the interior is jaw dropping and also the new suspension is superb i have read this online when googling 2013 mks.. i guess we have to see it in person

http://wot.motortrend.com/2011-la-2013-lincoln-mks-and-mkt-137189.html

http://wot.motortrend.com/files/2011/11/Liccoln-MKS-Dash-LA-Auto-Show-1.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2013-lincoln-mks-official-photos-and-info-news

 

[cirelle]

The path they have been on, will take them another 10 years before they make anything attractive.

You guys think the current Lincolns look bad? Take a look at 2013 MKS. http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/17/2013-lincoln-mks-evolves-new-nose-bigger-brakes/

Current one looks nice. But this thing is just ugly....ugly with capital letters. Seem like they got a really good deal on ebay for grilles, bought a bunch and slapped it on the front.

unfortunately... looks piggish

who or what is designing those things?

On second thought... still looks piggish, crappy, I guess I could go on, but doesn't look good to me

 

[05 LS8]

They must have sombody with very low....wait....somebody with no standards designing that thing. I mean, really, what the puck was the guy thinking.
How can that car look good to somebody's eye???

 

[Scottie]

They must have sombody with very low....wait....somebody with no standards designing that thing. I mean, really, what the puck was the guy thinking.
How can that car look good to somebody's eye???

I think GM is paying the designer to sabotage Lincoln! It is the only thing that makes sense! lol :Bang

 

[fuzzyb]

I want to see one in person before I pass judgement. I thought the original MKS looked like crap until I saw one in person. Wow, it looked great downtown.

My next wish would be for the designers to install a drive train worth a dam and then have the engine put out the power it is capable of like in the F150 (+400'lbs).

Regardless, my next car will probably be the MKS (used of course).

 

[chocolat1701]

hmmm im starting the like the new mks looks better in this video
2013 Lincoln MKS - YouTube

 

[LS4me]

hmmm im starting the like the new mks looks better in this video

The wrong wheels still propel the car. The engine also faces the wrong way.

 

[Kumba]

I'll pass.

 

[chocolat1701]

LS4ME true but if i ever buy this car then AWD will be, the engine part well 355 is not bad and can be moded to over 400 so don't really care how the engine is placed heck porche puts the engine in the trunk so how awkward is that. but the reviews will let us know if the driving improvements are good or just a marketing tool

 

[joegr]

LS4ME true but if i ever buy this car then AWD will be, the engine part well 355 is not bad and can be moded to over 400 so don't really care how the engine is placed heck porche puts the engine in the trunk so how awkward is that. but the reviews will let us know if the driving improvements are good or just a marketing tool

The problem with its AWD is that it is very biased to the front wheels.
There are some AWD systems that drive the rear wheels all the time and just add thrust to the front wheels when needed. That I might be able to accept, but that's not what the MKS has.

 

[thaywood]

Prob not.
Give me the 5.0 in a lincoln with rwd!

Dang skippy!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. As long as the engine faces the wrong way and FWD is embraced I will spend my hard earned dollars elsewhere. There is no way a FWD-biased platform will keep up with BMW. IMHO, focusing on technology and leaving the driving experience as an afterthought may work short term but is a long term loser. Anyone remember the before-it's-time Tucker?

I couldn't agree more!

There won't be a RWD V8 Lincoln for a long time.
Ford hired a guy from Europe a few years back that heads the new vehicle development department, this guy has Ford brain washed into thinking that you can get turbo'd V6 power the same as a V8.

Yes, you can on paper with numbers, but actual performance on the street wise, no.
Thats why all these new vehicles coming out are going to direct injected, better fuel economy, less engine displacement.

You'll get an AWD, V8 maybe, but no RWD V8, this guy wont let it happen. Definetly not a manual 6 speed either.

That's too bad. Lincoln is in a sad state of affairs right now. All they have is wrong-wheel-drive rebadged Fords. It's pathetic.

Lincoln lost me when the got rid of the LS. I could care less about the current models.

Me too.

The wrong wheels still propel the car. The engine also faces the wrong way.

Exactly!

LS4ME true but if i ever buy this car then AWD will be, the engine part well 355 is not bad and can be moded to over 400 so don't really care how the engine is placed heck porche puts the engine in the trunk so how awkward is that. but the reviews will let us know if the driving improvements are good or just a marketing tool

Can you say "torque steer from hell"? That much power going primarily through the wrong...er...front wheels (55%/45% F/R torque bias) will cause tremendous torque steer and with the engine hanging over the front end of the car, monumental understeer. You can have it. I personally prever the superior balance and handling dynamics of REAR-WHEEL-DRIVE. As for Porsche, there's nothing awkward about rear engine technology. At least the car is propelled by the correct wheels.

The problem with its AWD is that it is very biased to the front wheels.

Yep. 55/45 F/R torque split. It's primarily a wrong-wheel-drive car.

There are some AWD systems that drive the rear wheels all the time and just add thrust to the front wheels when needed. That I might be able to accept, but that's not what the MKS has.

Exactly. BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Chrysler (RWD LX platform), Cadillac, Subaru, among others. Even the primarily FWD Acura's "Super Handling" AWD system is rear biased with a sideways engine. The old Mondeo-based Jaguar X-Type had a rear-biased AWD system because they knew Jag customers wouldn't buy something they knew was FWD. The difference between most rear-biased AWD systems vs. the front-biased systems like in the SHO/MKS is that they are based upon RWD platforms. The engines face the correct direction and the correct wheels are driven primarily. Audi is the only exception to this rule since even their FWD cars have a longitudinal engine. Lincoln will never be taken seriously as a premium luxury car maker until they learn to compete with other premium brands on their own terms. It doesn't matter how much tech gadgetry a car has, if it's not attractively styled, doesn't have the proper RWD proportions, and has a sideways engine driving the wrong wheels, it won't be able to hold up against the superior RWD offerings from Europe and Asia.

 

[Telco]

 

[jjcool00]

Just emailed that pic to everyone... Hahaha thanks for the laugh

 

[Stopsign002]

They need to go back to the old grille style. The new waterfall is just freaking stupid looking. I like how one of the first comments on that article was how they need to bring the LS back. Woot! lol. But seriously, they need to get their cars lower, front wheels farther up, V8s with turbos and such (A super would make me a happy camper lol), basically they need to follow cadillacs example.

 

[thaywood]

Oh man that's funny!!

Here's what I don't get. Maybe someone can enlighten me. Why is a small displacement V-6 with 2 turbos any better than a twin turbo V-8 with the same displacement? I look at it this way, two more cylinders with the same 3.5 or 3.7 liter displacement means smaller piston diameter with less surface area for fewer hydrocarbon emissions. Smaller piston/cylinder size also means less fuel needs to be injected for combustion. However, if the displacement is the same, it would stand to reason that no matter how many cylinders it had, it would use basically the same amount of fuel. Either way, a small V-8 would probably be just as effiecent as the same displacement V-6. I don't know what Ford's obsession is with V-6 engines and wrong-wheel-drive, but they really need to get over it if they want Lincoln to succeed and be seriously considered among the premium luxury car crowd.