Gas. Why we will see a $5.00 Gallon soon

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I was just in the Mark VIII section of LVC, and saw a thread where people were complaining about gas prices, rightfully so. As an engineering working closely with energy systems design, it is my responsibility to understand the energy crisis that is going on right now and hopefully I you guys will see that the Govt. simply doesn't want us to know certain things so we don't panic.

Here are a few misconceptions about the current energy crisis.

-The A-rabs are being jerks and they aren't producing as much crude oil as before, or they are just selling it to us expensive.
--No, Suadi Arabie, Kuwait, etc. is extracting nearly twice as much crude oil as they were in 1995. The reason gas prices in America are going up is because there is this small little country, China, whose GDP grows by 12-13% over the past 10 years, and they are making the switch from peddle power to horse power. In another 10 years China will use more oil than America, then the middle east will switch focus to the country that buys the most, and our gas prices will be European, and European gas prices will be unbelievable.

Current world curde oil usage:
USA - 60%
Europe - 15%
China - 12%
and all the rest.

-The world is running out of oil, thats why prices are going up.
--Yes and no, in 20-40 years all of the crude oil that technology allows us to excevate will be gone. Currently, the first 30% of crude we can extract no problem, the next 15% is extremely expensive to get out, and the remaining 55% we are unable to retrieve. When the world runs out of gas, more than 50% of the worlds oil will remain unnatainable.

Just a couple of points about the energy crisis, which really should be secondary compared to the future ecology crisis. Gentlemen, believe it or not its probably too late to stop a global climate change in the next 50-100 years. I will try to find a comparative picture of the Arctic ice cap in 1975 and the most current picture from 2004.
 
What about the refineries that are down, and the one that caught fire last year , that was never rebuilt. and that no new refineries have been built in over 20 + years. The population has grown as well as the demand for fuel. I heard about China and there rising demand. Why can't we be self dependant, screw the enviornmental wacos. I also heard on a radio show that I was listening to that there is a process to turn coal into fuel, and that we have a 150 year supply of it, and they were saying that it would cost around $35.00 dollars a barrel , and in turn would average gas around $1.00 a gallon. Has anyone else ever hear of this ?
 
marksarcade said:
What about the refineries that are down, and the one that caught fire last year , that was never rebuilt. and that no new refineries have been built in over 20 + years. The population has grown as well as the demand for fuel. I heard about China and there rising demand. Why can't we be self dependant, screw the enviornmental wacos. I also heard on a radio show that I was listening to that there is a process to turn coal into fuel, and that we have a 150 year supply of it, and they were saying that it would cost around $35.00 dollars a barrel , and in turn would average gas around $1.00 a gallon. Has anyone else ever hear of this ?
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As I said in the misplaced post in the MarkVIII forum, our oil problem isn't a shortage, it's distribution, brought on mostly by environmental regulations and reformulation requirements. We aren't even allowed to drill for our own oil b/c the liberal environmentalists cry foul every time we try, leaving us dependent on OPEC oil.
 
marksarcade said:
What about the refineries that are down, and the one that caught fire last year , that was never rebuilt. and that no new refineries have been built in over 20 + years. The population has grown as well as the demand for fuel. I heard about China and there rising demand. Why can't we be self dependant, screw the enviornmental wacos. I also heard on a radio show that I was listening to that there is a process to turn coal into fuel, and that we have a 150 year supply of it, and they were saying that it would cost around $35.00 dollars a barrel , and in turn would average gas around $1.00 a gallon. Has anyone else ever hear of this ?
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-Refineries built in the 70's and 80's were designed with the future in mind. Nobody would build a refinery to exactly meet the demands of the people, those refineries still could produce more fuel, price is being determined by the cost of crude oil, which comes from the middle east for the most part.

-Self dependent would be difficult seeing as most of America's oil is in Alaska, and as you said, environmental people go nuts when you mention anything. But by no means does alaska have even 5% of what the middle east, probably more like not even 1%... Arabs have that much oil, its true!!!!

-Yes, America has more coal than anyone else on planet earth... we are the Arabs of coal basically. Easily enough for the next 200 years, your right. But the whole Coal into ignitable liquid fuel... I was not aware that the USA has discovered how to do this, although this is completely possible. The only country that was known to do this was Germany, during WWII. The Allies destroyed all of their factories for basically everything including fuel production/refineries, and the Germans hid the technology but their scientists did get out and develop other things like, space programs for the US and USSR.
 
well if the germans did it then we should have been able to do it why cant we do it come on where the us what going on man this isnt right
im going mad here man
 
Yeah, I filled up on Monday at $2.61. I drove by the same gas station this evening and it was $3.19. At 58 cent jump in two days. Sh!t at this rate I'll be riding a bicycle to work.
 
Lugi20 said:
I was just in the Mark VIII section of LVC, and saw a thread where people were complaining about gas prices, rightfully so. As an engineering working closely with energy systems design, it is my responsibility to understand the energy crisis that is going on right now and hopefully I you guys will see that the Govt. simply doesn't want us to know certain things so we don't panic.

Here are a few misconceptions about the current energy crisis.

-The A-rabs are being jerks and they aren't producing as much crude oil as before, or they are just selling it to us expensive.
--No, Suadi Arabie, Kuwait, etc. is extracting nearly twice as much crude oil as they were in 1995. The reason gas prices in America are going up is because there is this small little country, China, whose GDP grows by 12-13% over the past 10 years, and they are making the switch from peddle power to horse power. In another 10 years China will use more oil than America, then the middle east will switch focus to the country that buys the most, and our gas prices will be European, and European gas prices will be unbelievable.

Current world curde oil usage:
USA - 60%
Europe - 15%
China - 12%
and all the rest.

-The world is running out of oil, thats why prices are going up.
--Yes and no, in 20-40 years all of the crude oil that technology allows us to excevate will be gone. Currently, the first 30% of crude we can extract no problem, the next 15% is extremely expensive to get out, and the remaining 55% we are unable to retrieve. When the world runs out of gas, more than 50% of the worlds oil will remain unnatainable.

Just a couple of points about the energy crisis, which really should be secondary compared to the future ecology crisis. Gentlemen, believe it or not its probably too late to stop a global climate change in the next 50-100 years. I will try to find a comparative picture of the Arctic ice cap in 1975 and the most current picture from 2004.
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One of the other major problems is that all the patents for fuel saving devices and alternate fuels that could replace oil have been purchased by oil refining companies in the US.

My personal approach to the oil crisis is going to be to switch to diesel powered vehicles and make bio diesel in my home. It's clean environmentally and mechanically. It is a direct replacement for fossil fuel, and it makes horsepower gains for the vehicle it is used in.
 
raVeneyes said:
One of the other major problems is that all the patents for fuel saving devices and alternate fuels that could replace oil have been purchased by oil refining companies in the US.
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If that is true, then why does BuSh's new energy bill provide for huge amounts of funding to those same oil companies for R&D for alternate fuels? Seems like all they'd have to do is "unlock" those patents and go to town.

:slam Doh! They have an oil man in the white house! That's why!!
 
i just hope things just settle down with gas. i mean the prices are still insane, but we can all but hope.
 
GrayGhost1 said:
Yeah, I filled up on Monday at $2.61. I drove by the same gas station this evening and it was $3.19. At 58 cent jump in two days. Sh!t at this rate I'll be riding a bicycle to work.
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Update on the above. I went down that same gas station just a bit a go and it went up another 9 cents to $3.28. That's just within 2 hours. There were cars lined up 3 and 4 deep waiting to get into the pumps too. Man, this is mass hysteria! :Bang
 
GrayGhost1 said:
Update on the above. I went down that same gas station just a bit a go and it went up another 9 cents to $3.28. That's just within 2 hours. There were cars lined up 3 and 4 deep waiting to get into the pumps too. Man, this is mass hysteria! :Bang
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holy crap.... are they gouging the prices or something... that has to be illegal.
 
JoeyLincolnMK8 said:
holy crap.... are they gouging the prices or something... that has to be illegal.
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I went in to get some drinks for the house and I asked the guy behind the counter if they are planning to retire early. He chuckled and said not really. He told me that they ran out of gas earlier that day and re-filled it just about an hour before I got there. I filled up on Sunday when it was $2.61 but people panic over this.
 
Nice post Lugi20. No conspiracy BS...just facts.

We will see if this situation will be an eye opening event for Americans. However the price of gas has gone up over $1 in a year and nobody stopped driving their Excursions... so, probably not. They'll just bitch and moan about the current administration. All while thinking there is this mystery fuel source that the big bad oil companies are hiding because they know that they would lose money when we all find out that we could run our cars on regurgitated jim beam.

Oh and Raveneyes...biodiesel, LMAO...have fun sucking inordanate amounts of used grease from deep fryers.
 
FreeFaller said:
Oh and Raveneyes...biodiesel, LMAO...have fun sucking inordanate amounts of used grease from deep fryers.
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Biodiesel can be made from any oil source FreeFaller...and over 95% of the oil source becomes diesel fuel.
 
FreeFaller said:
All while thinking there is this mystery fuel source that the big bad oil companies are hiding because they know that they would lose money when we all find out that we could run our cars on regurgitated jim beam.
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LMAO
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well all i know is screw the Hippies and buil some god damm
oil refinerys
ill take 4 in my nabore hood 1 on each side of my house is cool hell they can build one right over my house for all i care as long as gas prices come down im cools :q:q:q:q
hell ill even give them my property if they give me free gas for 10 years man
 
Everyone knows this. The politicians know that oil won't last forever and one has to ask themselve if they know this why aren't they doing something about it. The answer is simple. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. Politician are all forsale. Lobbist roam the halls in congress and in the senate. Our politician don't make laws for us but for them. Think about some of the stupid laws coming out. Limit on how much you can get if a doctor kills your child due to their neglience (insurance lobbist). A move to eliminate bankrupcy (big business lobbist). Laws allowing our industries to move to Mexico for the cheap labor eliminating millions of good paying jobs (big business lobbyist) NAFTA. We are being setup for a big fall. If we really had a government that cared about America. They would find alternative sources of fuel or come up with devices that would give each car more mpg. Hell, they would hold contest offering millions and a percentage of all future sales to anyone in the US or world that could eliminate our dependency on foreign oil or a device that would increase mpg each car gets by 10x. One thing that is true about America, when the government cares nothing is impossible. Could you imagine FDR saying he can't do a thing about the great depression or the Germans or Kennedy saying we can't do a thing about going to the moon. It isn't possible. Where would we all be now? :F
 
I tend to agree with evian. I have pictures of thousands of destroyed EV1's. We are a capitalist society and money is the issue. Electric cars are well within the reach of everyone there would be little need for fuel. And if not electric alternative fuels are all over the place. You can get a carbonated diesel and run used 5w-30 if you wanted. The system is not in place to support what is best for the people. Not as along as the policy makers are thinking of themselves and not whats best for everyone.

We will be coming to a time where, either Americans will shake their government back into shape, or we will be below europe on the pecking order for whats best for china. We have faced almost doom for our nation before, im pretty sure we can pull it together at the last possible second, LOL.
 
i belive we can pull it back toegher for shure
but i think we need to shake it as the ppl a little bit man
 
Pepsi2185 said:
I tend to agree with evian. I have pictures of thousands of destroyed EV1's. We are a capitalist society and money is the issue. Electric cars are well within the reach of everyone there would be little need for fuel. And if not electric alternative fuels are all over the place. You can get a carbonated diesel and run used 5w-30 if you wanted. The system is not in place to support what is best for the people. Not as along as the policy makers are thinking of themselves and not whats best for everyone.

We will be coming to a time where, either Americans will shake their government back into shape, or we will be below europe on the pecking order for whats best for china. We have faced almost doom for our nation before, im pretty sure we can pull it together at the last possible second, LOL.
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This is ridiculous. I'm going to put a stop to this.

Let's say everyone switched to pure electric cars today. How would we charge them? Okay, we build charging stations. Where do we get the necessary gobs of electricity? Okay, we generate more. How do we do that? WE BURN MORE FOSSIL FUELS OR COAL. Duh!

Oh, you say, but there's nuclear power. You guys want to advocate building more nuclear power plants? Oh, I can't wait to hear this! The Fib wackos will have a cow, right there in their little trailer parks!

Every legitimate scientific or economic source out there agrees that our REAL PROBLEM isn't a shortage of oil, but a problem with DISTRIBUTION. We get oil from OPEC, true, but we still have to refine it, and our refineries are maxed out. We can't handle catastrophes like this b/c YOU FIBERALS have prevented us from building even ONE NEW REFINERY for the last 30 years! This has been itching to happen to us. When are you people going to realize that the Fibs in Congress and Senate from about 1960-1990 screwed America???

Get with the program and stop pointing the blame and start talking about solutions.
 
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