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And you'll notice most of my complaints were about coils going. Even when 2 coils were out I still maintained between 18 and 19 mpg and that was with mostly local driving since I avoided the highways or driving at all with coils out.
I don't know what to tell you. You can say it's BS or impossible or I'm lying all you want, but I know the difference between a smooth running engine and one that is knocking due to using lower grade gas. Again, I got between 21 and 22 mpg using nothing but 87 octance and some regularly scheduled maintenance.

If you'd like I can go take a picture of the Seville which has a compression ratio close to the LS and a 4.6L engine. I only use 87 in that and last I checked the trip computer said it was getting 20.8 MPG. That car also has near 160,000 miles and like I said before I've only ever used 87 in it since the day it was purchased in 2000 with 20,000 miles on it and it has never had any major engine problems whatsoever. I've never replaced a seal or gasket or anything on the car.
 
I guess the "I must be getting premium gas for free" theory is strong at play.
 
So then according to you, every person who doesnt rigidly follow the manufacturers reccomendations whether it is gas or maintenance is going to have engine problems either short term, long term, or both and will definentely get low gas mileage?

For some reason I doubt every person who buys a car, majority of them, follow those guidelines and I doubt they all experience noticeable negative effects because of this.
 
So then according to you, every person who doesnt rigidly follow the manufacturers reccomendations whether it is gas or maintenance is going to have engine problems either short term, long term, or both and will definentely get low gas mileage?
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Don't put words in my mouth dude!


Just keep going on with it, you really look like a ass. I am not the only one telling people this. Some of the guys on here know more than half the Lincoln Techs out today and they will agree with me if they felt like stooping this low as to argue with you about it.

In the end yes you will have some sort of troubles or at the least some bad pinging! You say you don't even have bad noises. Its a lie! So is the mileage that you give!

It only takes a bit of common knowledge!

I'm sure more than a few of us here have tried it and we all know that the car sucks with that rating of octane!

So you are going to tell me that just cause you say you don't have any trouble we are all the liars and Lincoln as well as other manufacturers are liars as well.? Do they have some kind of gas conspiracy that only you know of?
 
You said in post #18 they make these reccomendations for a reason...
well they don't just make octane reccomendations, they make maintenance reccomendations too.

And no, I called no one a liar whatsoever nor did I imply it in anyway. Your the one that stooped that low and boldly called me a liar and said I was bs'ing. Maybe you forgot that?

My first post was a direct, truthful, and straight the point response to the original poster. I never said that because I didn't have trouble that no else would. My first post if you read it again merely states my situation and how I was fortunate enough to not run into any problems using 87 octane fuel such as pinging, knocking, or terrible gas mileage. And I even used my other car with similar compression, that has a larger displacement, is heavier, is older, and has more miles an example too and offered to provide proof of it.
 
You said in post #18 they make these reccomendations for a reason...
well they don't just make octane reccomendations, they make maintenance reccomendations too.
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I also stated that on the topic and the topic is on the lines of octane. Like I said the more you say dumb ass things the worst you look. Stay on topic and lets not put things in other peoples mouth.

Oh and BTW, I don't believe that one or two or even three mess ups with required maintenance will hurt your car but if you never maintenance your car like you say you never use higher premium octane then yes I do KNOW somethings will happen that will hurt your car.
 
Your right, I look so terrible for providing the OP some unbiased insight. I think my answer was pretty short and to the point and it all it did was state my situation without showing any kind of malice toward anyone else whatsoever. If I got bad gas mileage, I would be the first to admit it since I near hated the LS for what others might consider some pretty biased reasons.

But you calling someone a liar and saying they are bs'ing, that makes you look like a choir boy huh?

I mean I really don't think it's that hard to beleive. Majority of people, like me don't follow manufacturer's reccomendations down the T and I doubt because of that every person receives terrible gas mileage and pinging and knocking. I never said once that it doesn't happen, won't happen, or can't happen. Never once did I say any of those things. In my personal instance, it just wasn't the case, I didn't experience those things. And again, if you would like proof that my older, higher mileage, similar compression ratio, heavier, larger displacement car is even capable of acheiving this fabled feat of over 20mpg and no knocking or pinging, I'd be more than happy to oblige since you have been sooo humble and it's the least I can do to please you.
 
Your both gay, and your cars are pieces of $hit. :p

You can't argue with the facts :shifty:
 
glanga said:
Even when 2 coils were out I still maintained between 18 and 19 mpg and that was with mostly local driving since I avoided the highways or driving at all with coils out.
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Let me see if I understand you correctly. You have a V8 engine with over 10:1 compression that ran on 6 cylinders while driving in city conditions and still got 18-19 miles/gallon? WOW! That is absolutely incredible.:woowoo2:
 
Has anyone noticed that he don't even own this car anymore? I bet I know why.

Whats even more incredible is that while he was driving on 6 coils he was only using 87 octane and achieving that MPG city and highway!!!!!!!. Dude you have to tell us your secretes. It will end the fuel crisis.


I never said once that it doesn't happen, won't happen, or can't happen.
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You are standing by the facts that since you didn't have any troubles that the original poster should not worry and basically neither should anyone else!

Therefore you must believe that it doesn't happen, wont happen, or cant happen!

The guy is asking what type of gas he should use and you explained that you never used premium which would lead someone that is not careful enough to understand that he should not have to either and it in all is BULL S***!
 
Benefits of having a second and third car. I never said I drove the car everyday like that. But when I did the mpg only went to that low before I got it fixed.

If that was the instantaneous mpg, then it'd prob be lower, but since I never used to reset the trip computer and since it averaged in all of the driving I did even before the coil went, that is what it said. I never physcially calculated by hand my mpg and never implied or stated I did. I also never said I drove the car with blown coils solely locally. I said mostly local because I eventually did purposely drive the car on the highway a lot with a blown coil so it would destroy the cats so I could make the dealership pay for new ones and the mpg still never went below 18-19.

The only time it ever went below 18mpg was when I had the KKM intake installed and had a bit heavier foot with that on too.

Just because my car got a tiny bit better gas mileage than majority, not everyones, but majority of people... I'm a liar and bull:q:q:q:qter?
 
Its not just the fact that your car got better mileage, its the fact you did the opposite of what you are supposed to and what the average do and claim to be better off that makes you a liar.

But I guess if the recipe calls for 3 eggs and you use 2 that makes it better as well huh?


Actually I see that no matter was said to prove that this is not possible you still stand by your words. Apparently you are not just a liar but a nut case that actually believes his own lies. Maybe even delusions?


Just because my car got a tiny bit better gas mileage than majority, not everyones, but majority of people... I'm a liar and bullter?
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I don't see a single person claiming that they can do what you amazingly have done. What does this tell you?
 
Yes your right I am a pathological liar who also suffers from delusions of granduer over his gas mileage!

Like I said before numerous times, I would be more than happy to prove to you with my car that has the similar compression, that is older, higher mileage, larger displacement, and heavier and is getting only 1 mpg less than the LS did according to both trip computers in each car.

Also I don't think every single LS owner belongs to a forum, in fact I think it's safe to say that majority do not.
 
Hey I've had the misfiring under a slight load and I calculate my gas manually every fill up and get within a half a mile of what the message display says and thats 17-18 mpg local driving.
 
BlueLS said:
You paid $10k for a 2000? You should have shopped around a little, you could have gotten a much better deal ;).

Just because your car is used and costs less now, doesn't mean that all of the sudden gas and repairs cost less. As a car ages the value of the car depreciates, but the cost of gas and repairs does not (if anything, they go up).
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i didn't say all that, oh and i paid around 7 for my 2000 with 82k miles
 
jebus crisp everybody relax... Im pretty sure that no one here is poor thats why we all have internet and luxury rides... all im asking is simple will the ls get damaged by using a cheaper gas yes its 10 dollars a week equals to about 40 dollars a month equals to 480 dollars a year difference.. and maybe some.... you know alot of people wouldnt mind here saving 120 to 200 a year wouldnt they?
 
Well start saving then. You will need it later.:lol:


Hey I've had the misfiring under a slight load and I calculate my gas manually every fill up and get within a half a mile of what the message display says and thats 17-18 mpg local driving.
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The mileage thing that he explains is a bit hard to believe but that is the least of what gets me. He states that he dont even hear any knocking, tapping, pinging etc...etc.. I run a pristine car. I just started adding mods to it. The thing was clean inside and out. Service record was up to date as far as what it read ( I know people can put down what they want ) as soon as I put that low octane in thinking it wouldnt do anything people could literaly hear me coming from 2 blocks away if I got on it heavy enough.

Now we or, most of us know its crap. End of the story.
 
Ya edit...I run high octane only and have recently had $700 worth of maintenance done.
 
Your right fuel and engine expert. Absoulutely right. I do not know what a knocking or pinging feel like at all.
I mean, I only have two very different cars, one which knocks terribly if I put anything less than 91 in it and one that...doesn't. So yes thank you, I know the difference and what it feels and sounds like.

I don't consider myself cheap but I feel no need buy more expensive anything when I get away perfectly fine with something that costs less. If my engine did ping or knock and I got terrible gas mileage then why would I keep putting it in? And to top that off gas is only 3.40 here right now too, possibly the lowest around here than it is in the entire country for 87 regular so I have even less of a reason to cheap out on gas unless I really needed to.
What reason, what motivation have you cooked up in your self-aggrandizing head for me to come on here and tell you that my car did not ping or knock or get terrible gas mileage when I put regular fuel in it?
I sold the car for completely unrelated reasons. I had 3, 4 door sedans and had no use for the car anymore.
So please explain to me with your infinite wisdom in the world of fuel and engine reactions to such how I manage to get this decent of gas mileage with an 10 year old, 150,000 mile engine, in a car with similar compression ratio, that is a few lbs. heavier with only putting 87 in it for the entire life of the car never having to have any major work done to the engine, no pinging, no knocking, no irregularities from it whatsoever. Mind you, this picture is a few months old too. The car now has close to 158,000 miles and I have used it on the highway more since then too
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That does not prove sh*t! give it up its not that big of a deal. If someone wants to take your bad advice let them! Oh well my car is fine and allot of other people that are pissing in their pants laughing about this thread will have smooth running cars also!

Its funny you brag and brag about having so many fancy sedans and are to cheap to get what they tell you as far as gas goes. You are a stuck up rich little kid and it can all be replaced by dad and his mechanic friends right?
 
I don't brag about anything and I don't think I've shown the kind of disrespect or malice toward you or anyone else in this thread that you throw at me undeservingly, I just happen to have the benefit of giving examples that you are wrong when you call people bs'ing liars. Are you just trying to compensate for something? Or lack thereof?
Your the only one laughing and I haven't really seen anyone but you say, hey man, your lying no way.

Please explain how that picture doesn't provide a clear example? Or am I lying about the gas I put into that too! If I like to brag about how rich I am then why wouldn't I say I put 110 octane into my car just for kicks, just because I can afford it? Maybe I just like having my car knock and ping all over the place when I put 87 in! That must be it, I enjoy it! Maybe there is a republican conspiracy against me to give me free super premium gas but only have me pay for regular...you know, the rich get richer, poor get poorer.
 
Wow, you are amazing!

You know I dont have to say much at this point. You say enough to look like you just are not making any sense.

Like I said, maybe you for some strange reason get decent mileage, I doubt its that great but if you are I can tell you right now the fact still stands that you have had to have some kind of effect especialy since it was prolonged use ( long term, till the car broke down:lol: )
 
Not really, I only put 20,000 miles on the car so I never experienced effects from proglonged use, just the usual coils going like every other LS on here. But that shouldn't be either, my coils should never go since I had a magical LS that can solve the world's energy crisis right? If you ever would like to discuss this in person or for me to show you my cadre of vehicles, I'd be more than happy to oblige. I go up to Lehigh University to visit friends every so often, so I'll PM you next time in the area and we can meet up and discuss this further. Same goes if your ever in the Philadelphia area, Ok?
 
TrickVert said:
Where has it been proven that you'll lose 5 MPG using 87 octane?
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Nobody said you'd lose 5 MPG by using 87. Quik said you'd save more money by increasing your mileage through calm driving (possibly going from 17 MPG to 22 MPG) than by buying the cheep-o gas.

FWIW, Ford did say, in a message to the dealership service departments, that 91+ is REQUIRED in the 3.9L V8 in the LS and '02-'05 T-Bird. I posted the text of that message around here a few years ago. Of course, given the (IMHO) lousy search facilities in vBulletin, good luck finding it.

And yes, I have never run less than 91 octane gas in my LS. I'm not willing to risk this $$$$ engine to save a whopping $0.20/gallon...

If I've done the math correctly (which certainly isn't a given; it's been a long week and a half), if you increase your gas mileage from 17 MPG to 19 MPG, which is easily do-able by changing your habits, you'll save $5.92 per tank (at the $3.62/gal. I paid for 91 octane last week). That beats the heck out of "saving" $3.60 per tank by running inadequate fuel in the tank.
 
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