Gen 2 Transmission Reliability

mike884

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Hello, I am looking to get an 06 LS with about 30k miles. I was wondering how the tranny reliability is with the second gen or 06 cars? Just notice that the tranny is a little slow to do everything and seems a bit confused with the SST if you drive it harder. Is there nothing to worry about and is this sluggish action something that can be corrected with an Xcal, etc? Let me know. thanks

-mike
 
If you are referring to the lag time between manually moving the selector, and when the car actually engages the gear, then no, it can't be fixed. Just the nature of electronic shifting in the LS.
 
Hello, I am looking to get an 06 LS with about 30k miles. I was wondering how the tranny reliability is with the second gen or 06 cars? Just notice that the tranny is a little slow to do everything and seems a bit confused with the SST if you drive it harder. Is there nothing to worry about and is this sluggish action something that can be corrected with an Xcal, etc? Let me know. thanks

-mike

I've got 2 '06s. You'll need to be a little more specific than "slow to do everything".
 
slow as in you maybe go 3/4 to the floor, it goes a little bit, then it gets a kick in the pants a lot later than planned , it just seems to hunt between gears a lot. it seems that the response is always a bit behind what the pedal is doing, especially from a stop.
 
slow as in you maybe go 3/4 to the floor, it goes a little bit, then it gets a kick in the pants a lot later than planned , it just seems to hunt between gears a lot. it seems that the response is always a bit behind what the pedal is doing, especially from a stop.

That is just how they are. I wasn't going to do I tune but I have about had it with how these cars shift from the factory.
 
That is just how they are. I wasn't going to do I tune but I have about had it with how these cars shift from the factory.

good to know I'm not the only one who notices that delayed response and shifting.. for a little bit I thought it was just me or the particular car... so the tune from Torrie makes a significant difference in shifting and response?
 
Yup there is a delay in the throttle response, and this can be amplified by failing coil(s). But it is normal even with fully functional coils and plugs.
 
Yup there is a delay in the throttle response, and this can be amplified by failing coil(s). But it is normal even with fully functional coils and plugs.

True. And the car just doesn't want to downshift. I think its mostly for gas mileage which in the real world is probably worse because of it because by the time the computer decides to downshift and accelerate I now have it floored.
 
Hello, I am looking to get an 06 LS with about 30k miles. I was wondering how the tranny reliability is with the second gen or 06 cars? Just notice that the tranny is a little slow to do everything and seems a bit confused with the SST if you drive it harder. Is there nothing to worry about and is this sluggish action something that can be corrected with an Xcal, etc? Let me know. thanks

-mike

Something to also watch for is if the car has been sitting at the dealer the battery may have been unhooked. The LS has a "learning" tranny that takes a little bit after it's been reset before it starts acting normal, in my experience.
 
Something to also watch for is if the car has been sitting at the dealer the battery may have been unhooked. The LS has a "learning" tranny that takes a little bit after it's been reset before it starts acting normal, in my experience.

True that. If I'm having an issue with the car, sometimes I'll just pull the neg cable overnight. That's the LS's "reset" button.
 
30K of hard abuse and my trans is fine plus the old owners 30K of daily driving. I have an upgraded torque converter and new fluid as well tho. My delay is about 1 second if that when using SST and thats only on upshifts.
 
All my LSes shift just fine. That one may be low on fluid or the fluid is worn out. If that's the case a flush will correct the "problem". The LS shifts smoothly and isn't designed to snap your neck. This is, after all, a LUXURY car, NOT a muscle car!
 
Normal behavior. The SST is not a sport transmission at all. The 4-3 delay is the worst.
 
slow as in you maybe go 3/4 to the floor, it goes a little bit, then it gets a kick in the pants a lot later than planned , it just seems to hunt between gears a lot. it seems that the response is always a bit behind what the pedal is doing, especially from a stop.

it's a drive by wire system. the benefits of it are that it starts off 'slow' to protect the drivetrain from unncessary wear. however, if you 'punch' the gas, the car should go.

the other advantages of a drive by wire (means no cable to throttle- computerized input) are that if the stability system detects a discrepancy between wheel stability and driver input, it will passively attempt to minimize this by 'cutting' your throttle input.

what this means, ideally, is that if you are driving on a dry road in ideal conditions and you overestimate your speed into a corner, and then further over estimate by applying throttle, the system- theoretically- will cut that input in the interest of maintaining stablility (my understanding is that ATS will apply brake, but only if driver starts the cascade by braking). however, you can still drive the car into a wall... it'll just try to 'disuade' you from that.

the downside of this system is first and foremost what you mentioned. the driver feels like they need to 'push the gas more' to get the same response (diminished responsiveness) from a wired throttle system.

another downside is that the system may, potentially, malfunction.

you can prove that you have this system by 'punching' the gas in park. the needle on rpm will hardly move.

i have an 02ls and an 04. when i first drove the 04 i thought there was something wrong with it because i had to depress the pedal so much to get it to go. but, there is a point at which when you go that far, it will bolt. if you have that point, it's prolly normal, if not, maybe something wrong.

hope it helps!
 
Yeah, one of the things that's keeping me from wasting money on loud exhaust (which I love btw) is the fact you can't just blip the throttle in park and get that muscle-car braaap braaap sound. Nothing much happens. It's also taken alot of getting used to how far you have to push the pedal to get the car moving. My Buick lept when you just touched the gas, and my mother's RAV4 V6 about snaps your neck when you touch the gas. Of course, it's also quicker 0-60 than my LS and gets better mileage. But it doesn't look nearly as cool!
 
Yeah, I know. But there are some models for ford, and we have the the same and/or similar electronics. I sent an e-mail to them and I'll post up their response, if I get one. Anyway, my question was mainly to see if anybody here had tried or heard about this thing at all on any car, good or bad. If it works, maybe I've got another mod for the list.:rolleyes::D
 
The 2nd gen Lincoln LS is throttle by wire not drive by wire. Getting a tune greatly improves throttle response changing the shifting line presser, and shift point makes an improvement. Tune has not been able to remove the 3K limiter on the 2nd gen.
 
Alright... its been awhile since I have been on here and posted... and I did not get an LS as planned, I got a 2010 Focus SES, but my parents have a babied 06 LS that they keep taunting me with and would swap with me.... but the initial off idle throttle response is sloooow. I don't mind it so much while moving, but when I hit the gas, I would like the car to move... is this something that can be remedied with a SCT SF3 or something to that extent? That is really the only deal breaker with the car. :confused:
 
The 2nd gen Lincoln LS is throttle by wire not drive by wire. Getting a tune greatly improves throttle response changing the shifting line presser, and shift point makes an improvement. Tune has not been able to remove the 3K limiter on the 2nd gen.

My hand held SCT tuner removed the 3k rev limiter. So, i am not sure what type of tune you have, but must not be a very good one. Who did you get it from?

Alright... its been awhile since I have been on here and posted... and I did not get an LS as planned, I got a 2010 Focus SES, but my parents have a babied 06 LS that they keep taunting me with and would swap with me.... but the initial off idle throttle response is sloooow. I don't mind it so much while moving, but when I hit the gas, I would like the car to move... is this something that can be remedied with a SCT SF3 or something to that extent? That is really the only deal breaker with the car. :confused:

The throttle response may not be fast, but it's not horrible. It's matter of getting used to it. Take it to a open parking lot and learn the car. When i first got the car, i was a little disappointed with it. Now that i know the car, i actually don't mind the drive by wire system at all. You will find that it has a lot of advantages.
 
Alright... its been awhile since I have been on here and posted... and I did not get an LS as planned, I got a 2010 Focus SES, but my parents have a babied 06 LS that they keep taunting me with and would swap with me.... but the initial off idle throttle response is sloooow. I don't mind it so much while moving, but when I hit the gas, I would like the car to move... is this something that can be remedied with a SCT SF3 or something to that extent? That is really the only deal breaker with the car. :confused:

Reset the transmission and drive it a little harshly for a week. If the LS was babied, that's probably why the response feels loose and laggy.
 
I have a very hard time driving my wife's pathfinder because of the drive by wire. I apply the same pressure I normally would in my ls and I look like I'm driving for the first time.
 

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