TheDude
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This topic is pure LuLz.
'Freedom of religion, just not here.'
'Freedom of religion, just not here.'
'Ground Zero mosque'? The reality is less provocative
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Lincoln Jealous
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talk about prime location:shifty:
Does "freedom of religion" include the right to worship wherever you want?
What is the scope of the "freedom of religion" in your view?
FIND
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Would you be OK with banning Christianity and Judaism from the area as well?
It's generally considered rude to answer a question with a question.
fossten
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Did Christians and/or Jews destroy the WTC and surrounding buildings?
Why is it not fair to consider the intention of the people building the mosque when discussing this? Is that not important?
In the rush to "defend" the "right" to build a mosque in that location, those people don't seem interested in asking why there.
I don't have the exact number on hand, but there have been about 36 mosques built in NYC since 9/11. There weren't any huge protests or demonstrations of blind religious intolerance in those instances. So this isn't about allowing Muslim's to exercise and practice their religion.
Why then would you build a mega-mosque/community center 600' from the WTC? An area with incredibly high congestion, extremely limited parking, and no residential population near by to support it? The location of this massive monument to Islam makes little sense from a practical stand point.
If you refuse to acknowledge that there is a profound political/geo-political element involved here, you're living in a either an ignorant bliss or denial. And in the 21st century, the West can no longer look the other way and ignore these statements and actions by the theo-political system of Islam with indifference or as though they were benign.
And the list of shady people associated with the mosque continues.
In the rush to "defend" the "right" to build a mosque in that location, those people don't seem interested in asking why there.
I don't have the exact number on hand, but there have been about 36 mosques built in NYC since 9/11. There weren't any huge protests or demonstrations of blind religious intolerance in those instances. So this isn't about allowing Muslim's to exercise and practice their religion.
Why then would you build a mega-mosque/community center 600' from the WTC? An area with incredibly high congestion, extremely limited parking, and no residential population near by to support it? The location of this massive monument to Islam makes little sense from a practical stand point.
If you refuse to acknowledge that there is a profound political/geo-political element involved here, you're living in a either an ignorant bliss or denial. And in the 21st century, the West can no longer look the other way and ignore these statements and actions by the theo-political system of Islam with indifference or as though they were benign.
And the list of shady people associated with the mosque continues.
fossten
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Cal, you have to stop using logic. The knee jerk anger crowd doesn't listen.
FIND
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Did Muslims from New York City destroy the WTC, or did terrorists from Al Quaeda?
It is perfectly fair to consider the intentions of those people. So, what have they told you their intentions are.
You are also touching on the subject of no protests for ~36 other mosques to prove that it is not some anti-religion issue. Ok, fair enough. Where are the protests in New York over this Mosque? The only protesting is from the Fox News followers, aka sheep, around the country who have been driven into a frenzy over this victory mosque being built at ground zero that will be opened on 9-11.
Also, why not build a community center in a very cluttered part of the city where people spend most of their time? Seems to me like it would be a convenient location. In what way is it impractical? Go to New York some time and wander around some of the more crowded business districts. Guess what you find, churches, community centers, and other places of the like.
cammerfe
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Sinclair Lewis, Socialist, Nitwit.
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So, despite all the evidence (on this forum alone) to the contrary (including the post you are responding to) there is no legitimate dissent to this Mosque?
Can't we move dialog beyond attempts delegitimize the opposing side?
why don't you speak english? you know, sentences?
fossten
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Ironic troll is ironic.
FIND
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I'd say he raises a good point. I'll post something about fascism just for lulz.
What I am trying to say is that among the people who are near the mosque or are in the area the mosque will be serving, there is not real dissent. Why don't you visit the area and see how many people you can count protesting it, or poll people who work in the area and see how many are against it?
In other words, you are attempting to delegitimize the dissent against the Mosque.
FIND
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No, what I am saying is that among those affected by the mosque there is not dissent. Try working on that English comprehension. Not that it isn't obvious what you are trying to do by only responding to one sentence in my post.
This Mosque is mischief making as some Muslims have opined.
An unnessesary provocation using our own rules against us to stirr up trouble.
This is how these people think.
It's in the Al Queda handbook to use the infidel's own freedom,customs, resourses and due process against him.
This would fall under that description.
It has already made mischief and stirred up trouble.
It seems to be succeeding in it's goal.
An unnessesary provocation using our own rules against us to stirr up trouble.
This is how these people think.
It's in the Al Queda handbook to use the infidel's own freedom,customs, resourses and due process against him.
This would fall under that description.
It has already made mischief and stirred up trouble.
It seems to be succeeding in it's goal.
who stirred up trouble? the mosque builders haven't created the trouble.
those closest to it are the least bothered by it.
you been hanging out with fossten in the conspiracy section of the internet?
The Mosque builders are chess players but you have a checkers mentality.
By creating this Mosque so close to Ground Zero they have set a trap
to invite and make trouble.
They know this is a provocation.
It's a symbolic thing that goes beyond those who live closest to it.
On this topic foss and I are like twin sons of different mothers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda_Handbook
The Al Qaeda Handbook is an extensive manual for how to wage war, allegedly written by Osama bin Laden's extremist group, Al Qaeda. This handbook provides religious justifications and quotations from the Qur'an throughout. It was first seized by British authorities in a raid on an Al Qaeda cell in Manchester, England The handbook was controversially published on the US Department of Justice website.
The Al Qaeda Handbook is an extensive manual for how to wage war, allegedly written by Osama bin Laden's extremist group, Al Qaeda. This handbook provides religious justifications and quotations from the Qur'an throughout. It was first seized by British authorities in a raid on an Al Qaeda cell in Manchester, England The handbook was controversially published on the US Department of Justice website.
fossten
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This from the guy who is a gold member of IHateChristians.org.
FIND
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This from the guy who is a gold member of IHateChristians.org.
I don't think that is a real website.....
Though, it got me thinking, there is also no IHateMuslims.org .com or any variation, but there is an i-hate-jews.com.... Weird how the world works.
HA! That's a great line.
On a more personal, anecdotal note, My mother took in a co-worker of my sister's who was Muslim student. The reason she took this young woman in was because a male Muslim student would habitually force his way into this young woman's apartment, beat and rape her. He carried a gun (illegal for a foreign student) and even came to her work a few times and harassed her. She was strongly averse to turning him in to the authorities because of what was ingrained in her due to Islamic culture and what it would mean back home; likely a death sentence should she return.
It is not a coincidence that Muslims build a mosque over EVERY Christian holy site they can and desecrate many others. My sister recently took a trip to Jerusalem and had a number of interesting experiences with Islam and the Islamic community. One thing she conveyed was that muslims closed up the Golden Gate (in the Old City in Jerusalem) and put a cemetery in front of it. Judaism believes the Messiah will come through that gate and, from she said, it is also believed (at least by some sects of Judaism) that the Messiah cannot walk through a cemetery. They hung up signs saying "God has no son" around various Jewish and/or Christian holy sites as well.
Hardly a tolerant "religion of peace", they are in a perpetual holy war against any and all non-believers at every level.
FIND
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three things
1: Where was this girl from and how is this place representative of all of Islam?
2: You can find members of any religion waging holy wars against non-believers. Need we mention Florida? How many thousands of other examples do you want? BTW in florida, they aren't currently fighting every day for the right to their holy land with everyone else who is fighting for their rights to their holy land. You go to a warzone, you are going to find things that are meant to hurt the other side's feelings.
3: build a mosque on or desecrate any christian holy site they can? Oh really? How many sites are we talking about here? Care to make a list?