fossten
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If racism is inherent in any of the above statements, then your President is a racist.
Harry Reid: Open Door...into Face
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lincolnx2
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So there is no racism in America silly me. Which is more important the fact that he is a racist or the fact that he is a democrat?
lincolnx2
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If OUR president has said anything like what was said above, then I would say he is a racist.
fossten
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lincolnx2
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Yeah I see where he is a raging racist he alone is responsible for the hundreds of years of slavery and Jim crow laws he choose to label himself as a single race how dare him. what's your race foss? Be site to include everything or you are a racist. My race is african native cacausion American. My father is half white my great grandmother is native american and my mother is black. I am dark skinned but my hair is straight (thank god) so I claim who I fit in most with.
lincolnx2
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Yeah I see where he is a raging racist he alone is responsible for the hundreds of years of slavery and Jim crow laws he choose to label himself as a single race how dare him. what's your race foss? Be sure to include everything or you are a racist. My race is african native cacausion American. My father is half white my great grandmother is native american and my mother is black. I am dark skinned but my hair is straight (thank god) so I claim who I fit in most with.
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fossten
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Don't look now, but you just made the case against Rush being a racist.
You get angry easily. Good thing I'm not an innocent unborn baby or I'd be scared.
lincolnx2
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YouTube- Rush Limbaugh 2003 ESPN Comments on Donovan McNabb (COMPLETE w/ TRANSCRIPT)
Trent Lott said this country would have been better off if this country had selected Strom, who was pro-segregation, for president.
Its monday, and mmy BB has been blowing up since Saturday, So I think this story has gotten a lot of attention.
In my opinion he is the first clean African American, hell, look at who else ran, Jesse, Al Sharpton, Alan Keys, and a lady, I cant think of her name.
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lincolnx2
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Don't look now, but you just made the case against Rush being a racist.
You get angry easily. Good thing I'm not an innocent unborn baby or I'd be scared.
No need to get scared, I am only a combat medic, I would have to hire an actual Doc to abort someone your age, and he would charge way too much, hell you are what? 50, 60 years old (your closed minded way of thinking gave away your age).
fossten
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BZZZZ! Sorry, Hans, wrong guess! Would you like to try for double jeopardy where the scores can really change?No need to get scared, I am only a combat medic, I would have to hire an actual Doc to abort someone your age, and he would charge way too much, hell you are what? 50, 60 years old (your closed minded way of thinking gave away your age).
But clearly I'm older than you - your lack of maturity gave away your age.
fossten
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Democrats on Trent Lott's comment in 2002:
Did you watch the clip? Tell me what he said in that clip was racist.
The fact is, there was nothing racist in that clip at all. NOTHING.
None of the commentators felt the statement was racist.
Donovan McNab didn't think it was racist- at that time, he was playing poorly. Limbaugh even acknowledges that he's a good investment for the team, just that AT THAT TIME the media accolades were uncalled for.
No, that's not what he said.
Your claim would be like me saying that every time a Democrat said something nice about Robert Byrd, the Democrat "conscience of the senate", they were heaping praise on the Klu Klux Klan since he used to be a "Grand Kleagle."
Another interesting note- the ONLY time I've ever heard the mainstream press address Robert Byrd's racist history was AFTER he spoke critically of the power grab taking place by Obama and his executive branch of government.
To repeat the story yet again, Trent Lott was at the 100th birthday party of the senile old senator, Strom Thurmond. He was being nice to an old person at their party. It had nothing to do with race relations. It had nothing to do with the platform that Thurmond may or may not have run on in the 1948. He was being nice to the old person. And Thurmond had no longer endorsed segregation policy later in his long (arguably too long) political career.
So you're 0/2 with the cries of racism here.
What you've provided were TWO examples of the political left distorting an event and really exploiting race in this country in an effort to hurt their political opposition. In Rush's case, he's a high profile media voice. In Lott's case, he was the Senate Majority Leader at the time. And while Lott wasn't a particularly great Leader, his ouster did significant damage to the Republican's organization in Congress.
There have been mentions of it in the press, but the White House was well prepared for it an issued the talking points in advance. It didn't catch anybody off guard.
So far, we can tell a few things have happened.
1- there have been multiple instances of racial insensitivity in this book by prominent Democrats. The easiest to address and dismiss is the Reid one and the White House and media have focuses their attention on that. It's much more difficult to deal with the quotes from the current Vice-President and more damaging, ex-President Clinton.
2- The talking points are well scripted. As if on cue, the pundits and spokespeople have all shifted focus onto Trent Lott AND/OR over to a trivial story about Richard Steele at the RNC.
Are you saying that Alan Keynes is neither articulate, clean, or intelligent... I'd have to disagree with you 100% on that point. Foolishly, Obama ran against a carpet bagging Keynes for his Senate seat.
What you mean to say is that he was the first black DEMOCRAT candidate who appeared to be "clean"- unlike Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who, I would argue, are both unethical, race exploiting, criminals.
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Thurman also ran on a State's rights platform. So, when lot was praising Thurman how do you KNOW he was talking about the segregationist part? Or are you simply ASSUMING that?
Sharpton and Jackson are nothing more then mafia type shakedown artists; well dressed thugs. But how is Alan Keys not a "clean African American"?
Also, you might be interested to know that Limbaugh often has had a black made named Professor Walter E. Williams guest host for him when he is on vactions. In fact, Williams has been doing so for Limbaugh for around two decades. Williams was the guest host the Thursday after Limbaugh's emergency room visit in Hawaii. Williams also often has another black intellectual, Dr. Thomas Sowell, as a guest when he hosts.
Limbaugh's call screener and "Official Obama Criticizer" is a black man, too.
fossten
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Is Clarence Thomas a 'clean' African American?
lincolnx2
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The guy said McNabb wasn't good, he was hyped up because the media is desirious to see a "black quarterback" suceed. Why couldn't he have said McNabb is overated, I think Lebron is overated, I would never say, the media is desirious to see a black NBA player to suceed.
lincolnx2
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What bothers you most? The fact that he is a racist, or the fact that he is a democrat. It bothers me that none of you mentioned the fact that another white elected politician is caught saying something racist, but you were quick to pointe out he was a democrat.
lincolnx2
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Whats a clean "african-america" would that be the same as a clean "caucasion"? If not please let me know the requirements, also please tell me the definition of "brutha"
Why not note the truth? Is it racist to note the truth?
It is because we are concerned about the blatant double standard on the left (and social institutions dominated by the left; pop culture, academia, the mainstream media, etc.). That is a double standard that you seem to be buying into.
If a republican says anything that is able to be spun as racist (not necessarily something that is racist) it is a huge indecent and the person demonized. However, if a democrat says something that, by the standard they have created, is clearly racist, it is swept under the rug...
The left takes the black community for granted. If a black person is strongly conservative, they are smeared and no racist sentiment is too good. Race is a tool for the left and if you threaten that tool your character will be assassinated. Look at how Clarence Thomas was treated in his confirmation hearings. Basically, black people are fine, as long as they know their place, according to the left...
fossten
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Regardless of how you would have phrased it, what he said wasn't racist. He was literally accusing the media of a racist mentality.
lincolnx2
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So you are saying the media is "hyping" up black quarterbacks? If so, they did a horrible job with JaMarcus Russell, hell the only black quarterback in my top ten is....... Oh yeah there are none in my top ten. I think the sports world is one of the few places where people actually "earn" their place.
Who was voted the greatest rapper of the decade? Eminem, so I guess the entertainment is desirious to see a white guy succeed in the entertainment industry, maybe he succeeded because he can rap.
Rush once said the goverment is taking the place of black fathers, and allowing these men to do whatever they want, and the kids grow up thinking they turned out good, or what we think is good. Is that not racist, there is not truth to that, my mother and my father were seperated, but my father was active in my life, and I know I am successful, majority of my family cleared six figures before 30 years of age, sso what black family is he talking about? I can provide audio if you need it.
The left takes the black community for granted. If a black person is strongly conservative, they are smeared and no racist sentiment is too good. Race is a tool for the left and if you threaten that tool your character will be assassinated. Look at how Clarence Thomas was treated in his confirmation hearings. Basically, black people are fine, as long as they know their place, according to the left...[/QUOTE]
So what if someone said the goverment has taken the place of fathers in the black community, is that racist?
lincolnx2
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Like I asked before, what happened to JaMarcus Russel (QB Oakland Raiders) if the media is bias towards black quarterbacks, why is he failing?
I am not a huge sports fan so I have no clue. However, what matters is that Limbaugh felt that was the truth and it has nothing to do with, nor reflects, any racist sentiment on his part.
Your analogy oversimplifies and ignores the reasons for Limbaugh's comments.
The empirical evidence backs up that claim. In fact, black scholars Walter E. Williams and, specifically, Thomas Sowell have conducted research that prove that. You should pick up Sowell's book Black Rednecks and White Liberals.
No, it would be the truth; that is precisely the effect that the war on poverty has had on the black family. Illegitimacy rates in the black community were on par with (if not better then) the white community until the 1960's. After President Johnson's "war on poverty" initiatives, illegitimacy rates skyrocketed in the black community. Today they are near 80%!
lincolnx2
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Shag let me remind you of something, I have never been raised by the government, my dad and my mom weren't together, but my parents bust their arse to make sure their kids weren't welfare reciepienets. I take offense and I am sure majority of black men or fathers who are in their kids life feel the same way. Illegitimate does not equal WELFARE! My sister was 14 when she had here first child, she was just commisioned as a 2nd Lt in the US Army at 20 years old, she never recieved assistance.
I was reading this and thought you mmight want to read it,
The illegitimacy rate is the number of births to unmarried women in a given
year per 1,000 unmarried women ages 15-44. The illegitimacy rate has increased
substantially since 1970, although the rate has declined slightly since 1994.
Between 1970 and 1994, the rate increased from 26.4 to 46.9, then it fell to 44.0 in
1997, increased slightly in 1998 and 1999, dropped back to 44.0 in 2000, decreased
slightly to 43.8 in 2001, and to 43.6 in 2002. Over the period 1970-2002, the birth
rate for unmarried women increased by 65 percent.
Birth rates for unmarried women also vary considerably by race and ethnicity.
In 2001, the rates were 43.8 for women of all races; 27.5 for non-Hispanic white
women; 68.2 for black women; and 87.8 for Hispanic women. The birth rate for all
unmarried women was the same in 2001 as it was in 1990. However, during the
period 1990-2001, the birth rate for unmarried non-Hispanic white women
increased nearly 13 percent while the rate for unmarried black women dropped by
almost 25 percent (According to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS),
the birth rates cannot be computed for non-Hispanic black women because the
M-4
necessary populations are not available). The rate for unmarried Hispanic women
decreased 2 percent (National Center for Health Statistics, 2002, p. 48; National
Center for Health Statistics, 2003, p. 14).
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/greenbook2003/AppendixM.pdf
Its amazing how a few words can be changed around to clear up misunderstandings. Rush is in the entertainment industry, he could have said SOME black fathers are absent, instead he said "black fathers" that means ALL.
fossten
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Your red herring doesn't address the issue of whether or not Rush's statement is racist, you're only arguing that he's incorrect about the media.
But since you brought it up, isn't Russell still on the field after three miserable years? So actually Rush would be right and you would be wrong. How long did Tarvaris Jackson stay on the field despite the fact that he was PATHETIC? Only bringing in a legend would satisfy the media in that case.
How long was the ineffective Kordell Stewart the starter for the Steelers? McNabb got PWNED by the Cowboys three games in a row this season and looked awful doing it, and yet Andy Reid just announced that he's the starter next season. How is Michael Vick even in the league right now? Why is the media curiously silent during Philadelphia games instead of highlighting Vick's felonious past every time he steps onto the field?
And what about the Rooney rule? Isn't that a form of affirmative action NFL-style?
And they should be applauded for that. It takes some very exceptional people to raise a kid right in those circumstances.
But that one example doesn't disprove the trend.
Sanctimonious outrage does not justify ignoring the truth. Maybe you should make sure you understand the precise point being made before you take offense. If you take offense at the fact and logical conclusions drawn from the empirical evidence, then that is your problem, not mine.
I never said it did. But the two do go together. Look at the welfare rolls if you want proof. Again, part of the war on poverty. Basically, the government started subsidizing illegitimacy and a traditional father-as-breadwinner became unnecessary in far too many black families. Again, the stats back this up. I am not going to run through them all here. I have mentioned where you can find some of the information. It has been a well know fact for decades. However, far too many people are scared to talk about it for fear of offending someone. That breeds ignorance and perpetuates the problems...
It is more proof of what I said. There are primarily two initiatives from the war on poverty at play here; sex education and welfare for single mothers. Sex education was aimed at reducing illegitimacy, teenage sexual activity and STD's. Instead, all of those went up; disproportionately so in the black community. Welfare was aimed at eliminating poverty. Instead poverty rose; disproportionately so in the black community. That is a big part of the reason why you have a MASSIVE disparity in 2001 between whites (27.5) and blacks/Hispanics (68.2 and 87.8, respectively)when it comes to illegitimacy rates. That disparity has been in place since the 1960's. It has been attributed to the "legacy of slavery" by the likes of Jackson, Sharpton, etc., however, that disparity was NONEXISTENT before the 1960's so the "legacy of slavery" is not a viable explanation.
FYI, as far as trends go, that slight dip downward in black illegitimacy rates in 2001 was temporary it has been rising again sense then.
Also, when it comes to Hispanic illegitimacy rates, those are harder to count as accurately because of illegal immigration. For instance, a family might visit Mexico and come back with 2,3, 4 or more new "kids" which are actually cousins to the true offspring of the parents in the family. My mother works at an ESL elementary school and it is a very common occurrence for a kid in her class to get a few new "siblings" over Xmas break that are then in school with them for the rest of the year.
No, that does NOT mean ALL. That means a MAJORITY. There is a difference. You are distorting what he said; setting up a straw man.
Here is an article by Thomas Sowell on his book, Black Rednecks and White Liberals. You really should check it out and inform yourself on these issues instead of going with ignorant outrage which ultimately only perpetuates more ignorance...
Black identity has become a hot item in the movies, on television, and in the schools and colleges. But few people are aware of how much of what passes as black identity today, including "black English," has its roots in the history of those whites who were called "rednecks" and "crackers" centuries ago in Britain, before they ever crossed the Atlantic and settled in the South.
Saying "acrost" for "across" or "ax" for "ask" are today considered to be part of black English. But this way of talking was common centuries ago in those regions of Britain from which white Southerners came. They brought with them more than their own dialect. They brought a whole way of life that made antebellum white Southerners very different from white Northerners.
Violence was far more common in the South -- and in those parts of Britain from which Southerners came. So was illegitimacy, lively music and dance, and a style of religious oratory marked by strident rhetoric, unbridled emotions, and flamboyant imagery. All of this would become part of the cultural legacy of blacks, who lived for centuries in the midst of the redneck culture of the South.
That culture was as notable for what it did not have as for what it had. It did not emphasize education, for example, or intellectual interests in general.
Illiteracy was far more common among whites in the antebellum South than among whites in the North, and of course the blacks held in bondage in the South were virtually all illiterate. On into the early 20th century, Southern whites scored lower on mental tests than whites in other parts of the country, as blacks continued to do.
Many aspects of Southern life that some observers have attributed to race or racism, or to slavery, were common to Southern blacks and whites alike -- and were common in those parts of Britain from which Southern whites came, where there were no slaves and where most people had never seen anyone black.
Most Southern blacks and whites moved away from that redneck culture over the generations, as its consequences proved to be counterproductive or even disastrous. But it survives today among the poorest and least educated ghetto blacks.
This is a much bigger story than can fit into a newspaper column, which is why I wrote my latest book, "Black Rednecks and White Liberals."
White liberals come into this story because, since the 1960s, they have been aiding and abetting a counterproductive ghetto lifestyle that is essentially a remnant of the redneck culture which handicapped Southern whites and blacks alike for generations.
Many among the intelligentsia portray the black redneck culture today as the only "authentic" black culture and even glamorize it. They denounce any criticism of the ghetto lifestyle or any attempt to change it.
Teachers are not supposed to correct black youngsters who speak "black English" and no one is supposed to be judgmental about the whole lifestyle of black rednecks. In that culture, belligerence is considered being manly and crudity is considered cool, while being civilized is regarded as "acting white."
These are devastating, self-imposed handicaps that prevent many young ghetto blacks from getting a decent education or an opportunity to rise to higher levels.
Multiculturalism today celebrates all cultures but it is the poor who ultimately pay the price of that celebration in stunted development, missed opportunities and blighted lives.
No one today would dare to do what Northern missionaries did after the Civil War, set up schools for newly freed black children in the South with the explicit purpose of removing them from the redneck culture that was holding back both races there.
A wholly disproportionate number of future black leaders and pioneers in many fields came out of the relatively few and small enclaves of Northern culture deliberately planted in the post-Civil War South. What they did worked and what the multiculturalists are doing today repeatedly fails.
But results are no longer the test. The test is whether what you say makes you feel good as someone who is a "friend" of blacks. But friends like that can do more damage than enemies.
Saying "acrost" for "across" or "ax" for "ask" are today considered to be part of black English. But this way of talking was common centuries ago in those regions of Britain from which white Southerners came. They brought with them more than their own dialect. They brought a whole way of life that made antebellum white Southerners very different from white Northerners.
Violence was far more common in the South -- and in those parts of Britain from which Southerners came. So was illegitimacy, lively music and dance, and a style of religious oratory marked by strident rhetoric, unbridled emotions, and flamboyant imagery. All of this would become part of the cultural legacy of blacks, who lived for centuries in the midst of the redneck culture of the South.
That culture was as notable for what it did not have as for what it had. It did not emphasize education, for example, or intellectual interests in general.
Illiteracy was far more common among whites in the antebellum South than among whites in the North, and of course the blacks held in bondage in the South were virtually all illiterate. On into the early 20th century, Southern whites scored lower on mental tests than whites in other parts of the country, as blacks continued to do.
Many aspects of Southern life that some observers have attributed to race or racism, or to slavery, were common to Southern blacks and whites alike -- and were common in those parts of Britain from which Southern whites came, where there were no slaves and where most people had never seen anyone black.
Most Southern blacks and whites moved away from that redneck culture over the generations, as its consequences proved to be counterproductive or even disastrous. But it survives today among the poorest and least educated ghetto blacks.
This is a much bigger story than can fit into a newspaper column, which is why I wrote my latest book, "Black Rednecks and White Liberals."
White liberals come into this story because, since the 1960s, they have been aiding and abetting a counterproductive ghetto lifestyle that is essentially a remnant of the redneck culture which handicapped Southern whites and blacks alike for generations.
Many among the intelligentsia portray the black redneck culture today as the only "authentic" black culture and even glamorize it. They denounce any criticism of the ghetto lifestyle or any attempt to change it.
Teachers are not supposed to correct black youngsters who speak "black English" and no one is supposed to be judgmental about the whole lifestyle of black rednecks. In that culture, belligerence is considered being manly and crudity is considered cool, while being civilized is regarded as "acting white."
These are devastating, self-imposed handicaps that prevent many young ghetto blacks from getting a decent education or an opportunity to rise to higher levels.
Multiculturalism today celebrates all cultures but it is the poor who ultimately pay the price of that celebration in stunted development, missed opportunities and blighted lives.
No one today would dare to do what Northern missionaries did after the Civil War, set up schools for newly freed black children in the South with the explicit purpose of removing them from the redneck culture that was holding back both races there.
A wholly disproportionate number of future black leaders and pioneers in many fields came out of the relatively few and small enclaves of Northern culture deliberately planted in the post-Civil War South. What they did worked and what the multiculturalists are doing today repeatedly fails.
But results are no longer the test. The test is whether what you say makes you feel good as someone who is a "friend" of blacks. But friends like that can do more damage than enemies.