Have a chance to buy a 01 ls manual for $650. Should I buy it?

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2001 Lincoln Ls 3.0 DOHC V6

Cyl 1 COMPRESSION IS 140 Psi
Cyl 2 Compression is 195 PSI
Cyl 3 Compression is 230
Cyl 4 Compression is 230
Cyl 5 Compression is 225
Cyl 6 Compression is 235

The exterior and interior are great. has 220k miles. Currently not running as he stated it was a project car.

Should I get it?

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Air Bag does not match the Steering Wheel. Which one was replaced I wonder?

As for buying it to make a daily driver, that's up to you but on a side note, it's worth the $650 in parts. Did the manual V6 have the Message Center or am I missing something here?
 
No V6 ever had the message center. AFAIK, you can't make it work on the V6. He may have just added the dash piece with the buttons and not swapped out the cluster.
While both could have been changed, I strongly suspect that the steering wheel itself was changed. I doubt that the manual V6 could be ordered with the wood steering wheel (could be wrong though).
 
I'll give you $40 for the Center Vents with the data buttons plus shipping, as long as they aren't cracked or missing any tabs. Then you will only be in it for $610.00.
 
When I go to meet this guy, what questions should I ask?
 
When I go to meet this guy, what questions should I ask?

No offense, but if you need to know that, you should probably pass on this one.
On the other hand, if you have lots of time and some money, this could be your chance to learn how to rebuild engines and such.
 
No offense, but if you need to know that, you should probably pass on this one.
On the other hand, if you have lots of time and some money, this could be your chance to learn how to rebuild engines and such.

Fair enough
 
The interior is gray, the wheel is black, the airbag is gray.

Did it come with an all-leather wheel? Also, did it come with Sport 17s from the factory but nonsport bumpers? Did the V6 manual come with some mixed up trim pieces?

Anyway, you might break even on resale if you replace the motor, you might just come close. Motors should for for 300 and up at a junkyard, there's one on eBay for $935 shipped (unknown miles). Labor at a shop is up around 10 hours. Are you looking to flip the car or use it for yourself?

One thing to consider for yourself is the limited pats availability of the manual transmission
 
You should ask him if he'll take 450, then take it for 650 if he's firm. As was said, it's worth more as parts than the price so you won't lose money on the deal. I also wouldn't worry about mismatched parts on a 14 year old project car. For one, after all that time on a car that has no parts made for it anymore people have to find what they can. For another, look at people here putting Gen 2 interior parts to get rid of the Gen 1 cup holders and whatnot. Then you have people like me that just change things to what they want regardless of the source. I'm very proud of my 2005 Ford crewcab center console that resides in my Chevy reg cab truck, for example.

If you want the car for itself and are concerned about the potential airbag replacement, inspect the engine bay and front clip area very closely for signs of a wreck repair like paint overspray, color mismatches, body bolts that the spray patterns don't match each other, metal that looks like it might have been wrinkled, ect. Any body shop guys here can give more things to look for but I've found I can usually tell when a car's been hit in the front just off this. I wouldn't go off a Carfax either as that will only grab work done by very large shops or work paid by insurance. Some maw and paw one man operation that does it for cash won't necessarily report work done to the car to a place where Carfax will get the information. Doesn't mean bad work, just not reported.

What you should be looking at, is this is your chance to make an LS that is what Lincoln should have made it. At that price it's cheap enough to rip every stupid system out of the car and put sensible systems in, like a correctly working HVAC and an engine that makes enough power to move it's 4000 pound bulk without needing a cooling system replacement every 100K miles or new coils every time you turn around.
 
....For another, look at people here putting Gen 2 interior parts to get rid of the Gen 1 cup holders and whatnot. ......

Slight correction.... It's the 2001-2002 console top that's replaced. The Gen2 & Gen1 consoles aren't at all interchangeable.....
 
Slight correction.... It's the 2001-2002 console top that's replaced. The Gen2 & Gen1 consoles aren't at all interchangeable.....

Actually, they are interchangeable in the sense they fit, but you lose your parking brake since Gen 1s and manual handbrakes and Gen 2s are electronic. You get better cupholders and better armrest storage. People do do 01-02 console swaps into 00s to get rid of the "ninja" flipout cupholders for more normal ones, but those cupholders aren't as good as 03+. 01-02s are too close and one is too shallow.
 
what does this mean?

Which part?
1. The bumpers have chrome on them, so they are not the ones that the car came with. The most likley reason to replace the sport bumpers with less desirable bumpers would be crash damage.
2. There is a newer car (S-type is sister to the LS) that is in closer to operational shape for $150 less.
 
Actually, they are interchangeable in the sense they fit, but you lose your parking brake since Gen 1s and manual handbrakes and Gen 2s are electronic. You get better cupholders and better armrest storage. People do do 01-02 console swaps into 00s to get rid of the "ninja" flipout cupholders for more normal ones, but those cupholders aren't as good as 03+. 01-02s are too close and one is too shallow.

The 2nd gen console is a different shape and size than the 1st gen. Shifter is different, ashtray assembly is different, etc.
 
I wasn't trying to start a discussion with mandatory (around here) argument on the finer points of a console swap, just pointing out to the OP that people modify cars as time goes on so don't be too worried if something doesn't match the factory build perfectly. If you like the car, and it looks like something you might want to build, and it's not an obvious crash rebuild with questionable rebuild quality, don't be scared to drop 650 on it. And, even if it does turn out to be an obvious wreck rebuild that was done half-assed you can make money parting it out. I don't recall his username but there's a fellow here already who would be willing to buy the pedal assembly from you.
 
01-02s are too close and one is too shallow.

them being different depths would be an important factor...

for instance, while better, the 2nd gen cup holder are still too close together, AND they both are the same dept. so when you put two large drinks in them, the lids push up against each other, then when you pull either cup out to take a drink, it rips the lid off of the other cup which, depending on how full it is, will usually spill some soda out...

my fix to this was to take a stone coaster that was a perfect size and drop it into the aft cup holder (the forward cup holder is the only one that I use) since that cup holder is rarely used.




I doubt that the manual V6 could be ordered with the wood steering wheel (could be wrong though).

not arguing with you (because I honestly dont know...) but then how would he have got the wood shift knob without the "press to shift" lever?



OP:
I'll tell you one thing, mismatched air bad cover and wrong bumpers scream one thing to me, wrecker. better really check it out if you're serious about wanting that car.
What are your intentions for this car? because if its not to drop a ton of money into it(even if you do all the work your self, its not going to be cheap), then I would pass)
 
as far as the center console goes, you might as well swap the whole dash out, because the 2nd gen is a little wider at the front of it and wont line up with the dash correctly, not to mention having to cut a huge hole for the hand brake if you try to drop a 2nd gen console into a 1st gen body.
 
Well I went over there a few hours ago and he has replaced a few things. He replaced the driver door, the trunk lid, the front driver seat and there was a front ls bumper hanging up in his shed.

The engine bay was clean. He believes the engine was most likely rebuilt due to it's cleanliness and compression numbers on all cylinders.

The back seats have some stereo equipment behind it when you pull them out. There is some sun damage on the roof from sitting in one spot too long. The driver doors window doesn't work.

There is a thin rear spoiler that was in the back seat which he said was a genuine lse spoiler.

States the car has been sitting in the same exact spot for the past 2 years, but never got around to finishing it. Said he installed all new coil packs. A LOT of spare parts in the trunk with stereo equipment and will give me the front bumper in the shed, the scratched up trunk lid, the spare front seat that appears to be in ok condition, all the parts in the trunk (god knows what's all in there) and an extra set of 4 tires that have a lot of tread on them.

230k miles on it.

Won't budge on the price. Wont go lower than $650.

Should I make the deal?
 
2001 Lincoln Ls 3.0 DOHC V6

Cyl 1 COMPRESSION IS 140 Psi
...
Cyl 6 Compression is 235

...

...He believes the engine was most likely rebuilt due to it's cleanliness and compression numbers on all cylinders...

Those are bad compression numbers. It is too much between the lowest and the highest (well out of spec). If it was rebuilt, it was done incorrectly. I thought that you knew when you listed those that it meant the engine would have to be rebuilt or replaced.
 
I wasn't trying to start a discussion with mandatory (around here) argument on the finer points of a console swap, just pointing out to the OP that people modify cars as time goes on so don't be too worried if something doesn't match the factory build perfectly. If you like the car, and it looks like something you might want to build, and it's not an obvious crash rebuild with questionable rebuild quality, don't be scared to drop 650 on it. And, even if it does turn out to be an obvious wreck rebuild that was done half-assed you can make money parting it out. I don't recall his username but there's a fellow here already who would be willing to buy the pedal assembly from you.

My console has the capacity to hold a Snickers bar and an ink pen only because of the cell phone. I guess I'll just remove it as I really have no intention of activating it.
 
In the one instance I know of a console swap, the guy just straight up removed the handbrake mechanism. It was top half of the console, shifter, and ash tray assembly.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/forum/showthread.php?83544-Gen-2-center-console-into-Gen-1

And it was one heck of a hack-job....

OK, it will "fit". It's NOT a direct fit and anyone that sacrifices the parking/emergency brake is a fool. On a hill/incline the only thing keeping (an auto trans) car from rolling is a little piece of steel. Search parking pawl. Brakes rarely fail, but when they do it's a good thing to have a back-up.

Notice that OP hasn't been on in almost 3 years.....
 

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